Politics and religion.

[Bonny]

Pucky, That is what bothers me, these kids that get whatever they want, whenever they want. There probably won't be any S.S. left but I am going to enjoy it while I can. A person can not just rely on S.S. to tied you over & if a person is smart there will be cash under the mattress.

When I talk about THEY, I mean the politicans & the richer than richer that control this country. You can throw the big CORPS.,in there too but they are owned by the richer than rich anyways.

Unions?!?! My dad belonged to the railroad union my husband United Parcel Service Union. If you didn't want to be working a 12 hour day 7 days a week with only a day off a month like my grandfather did on the railroad when there were no unions then a union would make sense. The employees pay into the union so it does not involve the state or federal funds that I know of. There are mom & pop companys in this country that still exist where you don't need a union they are good to you & you are like family. But when you get into the big Corps. you better have your back side protected.

Those wind generators may not work in your part of the country but they do here in the Midwest. The Dakotas & Nebraska have them all over the place along with Minnesota & Iowa. We also have grain ethonal plants the greenies don't like them, but whatever surplus corn we have goes to them to make ethonal & it is blended into the gas. Everyone has to keep trying to come up with something that will work, we can't be dependent on oil forever.

Yes this is a good discussion. I don't have numbers to back any thing up & when you do have numbers where do they come from? It would be like I won the championship with my steer at the fair. No one asks how many were in the class with me? What if there was only one other person & they got reserve?

[Puckstop31]

Pucky, That is what bothers me, these kids that get whatever they want, whenever they want. There probably won't be any S.S. left but I am going to enjoy it while I can. A person can not just rely on S.S. to tied you over & if a person is smart there will be cash under the mattress.

What do I tell my kid(s) then?

Unions?!?! My dad belonged to the railroad union my husband United Parcel Service Union. If you didn't want to be working a 12 hour day 7 days a week with only a day off a month like my grandfather did on the railroad when there were no unions then a union would make sense. The employees pay into the union so it does not involve the state or federal funds that I know of. There are mom & pop companys in this country that still exist where you don't need a union they are good to you & you are like family. But when you get into the big Corps. you better have your back side protected.

I have no problem with private company unions. So long as the employee knows what he is getting into.

Everyone has to keep trying to come up with something that will work, we can't be dependent on oil forever.

I agree 100%. But until we get 'there', what do we do?

Yes this is a good discussion. I don't have numbers to back any thing up & when you do have numbers where do they come from? It would be like I won the championship with my steer at the fair. No one asks how many were in the class with me? What if there was only one other person & they got reserve?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/


http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/...cit_chart.html


http://www.visualeconomics.com/gdp-v...bt-by-country/



For starters... But, any one can do the math. Look at the current debt. Add the current (projected) deficit. Look at the pending number of retirees, then compare that to the number of people who will be working and paying SS taxes.

Something HAS to give. One way or the other. Wait till all the 'stimulus' money is spent, with nothing to show for it, save shiny new roads and bridges. 2.5 trillion or so in 'new' money, chasing the original amount of goods and services.....

Simply put, the government(s) has to stop spending money like they are.

[Bonny]

Right now the farmers in this country are needing help & are asking our own people to come & work for them. It is hard work but the rewards are great exercise, accomplishment getting the crops in, do you think any of our people will want to help out? Oh & we would all be paid most likely a minimum wage. This is true I heard it on our local farm forum this morning.

There probably won't be any social security, sorry kids you probably will be living under a different kind of government. We owe China big time maybe they will take over our country.

Haven't BO & the rest of his friends talked about a world government? Maybe that is where we are heading?

[Puckstop31]

Right now the farmers in this country are needing help & are asking our own people to come & work for them. It is hard work but the rewards are great exercise, accomplishment getting the crops in, do you think any of our people will want to help out? Oh & we would all be paid most likely a minimum wage. This is true I heard it on our local farm forum this morning.

I've been trying to get back into dairy farming for a long time now. 18 months ago it was really serious. But most guys are only getting 11-14$ a hundred weight right now. The 'good' predictions talk about $16.

I bet you know why the prices are what they are....

Why should I work my self to death, 7 days a week to break even, HOPEULLY? Even with a 300 head herd (260ish milkers).... If only the market determined prices....

There probably won't be any social security, sorry kids you probably will be living under a different kind of government. We owe China big time maybe they will take over our country.

Would you be willing to sacrifice anything to help your posterity?

Haven't BO & the rest of his friends talked about a world government? Maybe that is where we are heading?

Who knows? You can draw comparisons from Biblical prophecy.

How do you feel about that? The idea of the United States (or any nations really) conceding it's soverginty to the UN?

[Bonny]

There are still mom & pop farms hanging in there but it takes a whole family some of which work outside the farm to keep it going. Farming is likea roller coaster ride up & down. Been there did that. Eighteen years of hogs did help finally pay off the morgage though. A person has to learn to deversify & farm half the country to make a real go of it now. Seven days a week being your OWN BOSS, I use to like that.

The kids have to get off the couch & find their own way. There is a lot out there for them now & they should take advantage of it but most are to busy texting. I already lovingly (it comes from the heart) give my time volunteering hours helping out with a program for troubled youth, & mentally physically challagened adults. I still am going to draw my S.S. & it will go back into my local community. Got to start somewhere. There are a lot of non profits in my area that need volunteers & help finanically. A person gives back to which you have taken. I am confident I can do a better job of it than our government has so far.

The United Nations is suppose to be a peace keeper if I remember from my years of public schooling. It would be scary to concede our sovergnity. This country is use to doing its' own thing just like we are use to doing our own thing. Only time will tell?