Politics and religion.

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 03-27-2009, 10:02 AM

You have every right to not believe in God or in anything for that matter. If it pleases you to believe you came from an ape, well go for it. If you prefer to believe in nothing with no hope for eternity, well, that's your right too. And the big bang? So, where did the things that came together to make the big bang come from? The elements had to have been created somehow by something or someone.

BUT you DO NOT have the right to keep me from worshiping my God just because you don't like it.

You may think Car Sagan was great but he is not even a pimple in the course of my life.

I know for a fact that there is life after death so don't even try that one on me. Just several things that have happened in my life that I don't care to share with the world but that happened none the less.

**Marigold2** · 03-27-2009, 06:20 PM

Actually I do believe in God and was brought up in the church, life after death, I can't bare to think of not seeing my mom in heaven. That said.........
This is America and people have the right to be free of religion and still be thought of as good people.
Easter the most holy of the holidays keeps changing. What day did Christ raise from the dead, no one seems to really know? So how can we be sure it happened?
As to who created the big bang well who created God?
If you are explaining your belief to a non-believer, if they want to truly know, truly understand your faith and why we believe this way what proof can you show them? Is there one piece of evidence one solid fact one scrap of physical proof or anything that we could show a person and say LOOK here it is, here is proof that this man was not just a good person but truly a God. Is there one? Anywhere???
If your parents were Jewish or Amish or Budda and you were brought up in that faith, would your belief be as strong? Probably for it is what you were taught and what the people around you believed. We see our parents in their strong belief and they teach us that this is correct so of course we believe, why would they lie to us? So I ask again what proof do you have that a man can rise from the dead, that a virgin birth can occur that all these miracles happened? You have the bible and heresay. That is what faith is. It's the blind, unproven belief deep in your soul that you hope is correct taught by others that believed the same way. It is not based on any fact, unless I missed something. So when a child asks is Jesus real, show me, well show them what?

Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces

You have every right to not believe in God or in anything for that matter. If it pleases you to believe you came from an ape, well go for it. If you prefer to believe in nothing with no hope for eternity, well, that's your right too. And the big bang? So, where did the things that came together to make the big bang come from? The elements had to have been created somehow by something or someone.

BUT you DO NOT have the right to keep me from worshiping my God just because you don't like it.

You may think Car Sagan was great but he is not even a pimple in the course of my life.

I know for a fact that there is life after death so don't even try that one on me. Just several things that have happened in my life that I don't care to share with the world but that happened none the less.

**lizbud** · 03-27-2009, 06:35 PM

Faith is the belief in things unseen,and unknowable.

I would rather believe in God (heaven & all the rest), than not believe,
die and find out how wrong I was.

**Marigold2** · 03-27-2009, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by lizbud

Faith is the belief in things unseen,and unknowable.

I would rather believe in God (heaven & all the rest), than not believe,
die and find out how wrong I was.

Agreed, 100%.

**Medusa** · 03-27-2009, 06:48 PM

To quote the King James version of the scripture: "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen". - Hebrews 11:1 The Living Bible says it a bit differently: "Faith...is the certainty that what we hope for is waiting for us, even though we cannot see it up ahead".`

All we have is evidence. We don't have proof positive of a God or we wouldn't be having this discussion. We would all be in agreement. To say that we know absolutely would be arrogant because we don't really know. We do, however, have evidence, strong evidence of a supreme being. We can't see the wind but we can feel and see its effects. It would be foolish to deny the existence of the wind but how do we prove that it actually exists? We can't; we only have evidence by what it can do. We have faith, the evidence of things not seen.

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 03-27-2009, 07:08 PM

As for virgin births: cloning is an example of a modern day version of it.

**Marigold2** · 03-28-2009, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces

As for virgin births: cloning is an example of a modern day version of it.

Possible now but not 2000 years ago.

**RICHARD** · 03-27-2009, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by lizbud

Faith is the belief in things unseen,and unknowable.

I would rather believe in God (heaven & all the rest), than not believe,
die and find out how wrong I was.

Twitter us when you get there/find out, Please?

I am sorry and it's not meant to be mean spirited or anything like that! I just had this funny idea that maybe you could let us in on what to expect! It's ven more funny because I choose not to own a phone, so I'll be the last to know.

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 03-28-2009, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by RICHARD

Twitter us when you get there/find out, Please?

I am sorry and it's not meant to be mean spirited or anything like that! I just had this funny idea that maybe you could let us in on what to expect! It's ven more funny because I choose not to own a phone, so I'll be the last to know.

Richard you are SO funny!!!

First off, why do you think she will cross over before you do?

Plus, you don't twitter on the phone, you twitter on a computer. Right?

**RICHARD** · 03-28-2009, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces

Richard you are SO funny!!!

First off, why do you think she will cross over before you do?

Plus, you don't twitter on the phone, you twitter on a computer. Right?

WTF do I know?

I am living to be 200 anyway.......

**Edwina's Secretary** · 03-28-2009, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by lizbud

I would rather believe in God (heaven & all the rest), than not believe,
die and find out how wrong I was.

One of my favorite conundrums...who will be more disappointed - those who believe in life after death or those who don't?

I was interviewing a candidate for a sales job - on the phone. He tells me he likes to discuss scriptures with clients. He tells me a story of falling on his kness in the men's room for advice on a difficult sale.

I was uncomfortable. I don't care - Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Wiccan, none of the above...I don't think that kind of conversation belongs in the workplace. ESPECIALLY when you do not know the affliation of the person with whom you are speaking.

**lizbud** · 03-28-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

I was interviewing a candidate for a sales job - on the phone. He tells me he likes to discuss scriptures with clients. He tells me a story of falling on his kness in the men's room for advice on a difficult sale.

Don't tell me,,, he didn't get the job, right?

TMI fella.

**RICHARD** · 03-28-2009, 06:21 PM

I had the most interestingly attack of silliness when I heard this phrase on the tube.

"You will be defeated."

Now if I remember correctly, another person made a comment that was something like, "Bring it on!" and people fainted in the streets, toddlers cried, animals attacked humans and the end of the world was nigh!

So, here we go again....People challenging terrorists! One guy asks for the challenge and the other makes it a point to say that they will get whupped!

Does anyone know if there is lead paint or asbestos in the Oval Office and how quickly would it affect anyone working there?