Politics and religion.

[Puckstop31]

Roof top voting has started.

Lets find out what this morons real motivation was before we say stupid things like this, ok?

Blue, the 'voting from the rooftops' thing is INSANE. Killing a civilian who posed no threat to you is MURDER. Period.

So stop it, OK?

[Grace]

Last year, after her district turned up under crosshairs on Sarah Palin's "Take Back the 20" map, a chart of congressional districts whose congresspeople voted for health care reform, Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords gave an interview to MSNBC. Today, sadly, her words from that interview are terrifyingly prescient:

We need to realize that the rhetoric, and the firing people up and ... for example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, the way she has it depicted, we're in the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they've got to realize that there are consequences to that action...

source

[Puckstop31]

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Super. Now you can start the "Its all Palin's fault" and maybe leave ol' George alone.

Really? This is what we are coming to in this country?

Signed,
"The Enemy"

[Grace]

Super. Now you can start the "Its all Palin's fault" and maybe leave ol' George alone.

I never said anything of the sort, and you know it. I posted an article and then a quote. I provided the links. If you choose to attribute the thoughts in these articles to me, or anyone else on this board, you are way out of line.

[Puckstop31]

I never said anything of the sort, and you know it. I posted an article and then a quote. I provided the links. If you choose to attribute the thoughts in these articles to me, or anyone else on this board, you are way out of line.

Given the current context of the thread.... If you intent was not to 'blame' Mrs. Palin ( or Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, etc...) for this violence, what was the reason for sharing it?

Like you said, words matter, but the mindset of the reader matters too. A map with crosshairs on it can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. Sane people will read it one way and a insane person.... Who knows how they will read it? Do we all need to be careful as to not 'say' things so as to not motivate a crazy person to be...crazy? HOW do we do that?

What I am trying to get at it is lets not start making excuses for this guy already, or help the media turn this into a reason to force us apart.

[Grace]

20 people were shot; 6 have died.

Gabe Zimmerman, 30, Giffords community outreach director. He was recently engaged.

John Roll, 63, the chief judge for the District of Arizona,

Christina Taylor Green,9. Here is an article about her from the Washington Post.

Dorwin Stoddard, 76.

Dorthy Murray, 76.

Phyllis Scheck, 79.

[lizbud]

Lets find out what this morons real motivation was before we say stupid things like this, ok?

Blue, the 'voting from the rooftops' thing is INSANE. Killing a civilian who posed no threat to you is MURDER. Period.

So stop it, OK?

Agreed.

WE are ALL for free speeech in this country, that's part of what makes
this country great. The choice of words is important & does have major
influence on the already fragile state of mind of some individuals in our
society. We could do without the "lock & load" mentality speech coming
from some quarters of the political community.

[Puckstop31]

Agreed.

WE are ALL for free speeech in this country, that's part of what makes
this country great. The choice of words is important & does have major
influence on the already fragile state of mind of some individuals in our
society. We could do without the "lock & load" mentality speech coming
from some quarters of the political community.

So, which is it? FREE speech or being careful to not 'have major
influence on the already fragile state of mind of some individuals in our
society'?

I say this because "voting from the rooftops" is NOT a concept that is vague. Implying that a political figure's map was motivation for a murder.... Thats a little different.


And.... I am ALL for keeping the debate to the issues at hand.

[Grace]

Now that was interesting - especially for a one-time Neuro ICU nurse who very recently had a craniotomy.

There was just a press conference at University of Arizona. The main speakers were Dr. Peter Rhee, Medical Director of the Trauma Center, and Dr. Michael Lemole, Neurosurgeon.

Of the patients they received yesterday, one has been discharged and only one is still in ICU; the rest have improved enough to be transferred to floor care.

Congresswoman Giffords went to the OR just 38 minutes after hitting the ER door. The bullet ran the entire length of the left side of her head, from front to back. It did not cross hemispheres, nor did it cross the center of the brain. Both of the scenarios would have been much worse. She was following simple commands before and after the surgery. As the Neurosurgeon said, don't be deceived by the word simple. The brain has to process a lot to follow a command. That she can do this, makes them feel optimistic.

They did not put back the bone flap - that allows for swelling to occur. At some point in the future the flap will be replaced. I can tell you that my flap was the size of my surgeon's hand - that gives you an idea of the area. Hers might be larger.

She is in a medically-induced coma for the time being. Like being under anesthesia - they can wake her up to check neuro status.

So far - so good.

[Karen]

Not excusing the shooter, but it seems pretty obvious from his Youtube postings, only a few of which I have seen, that he is extremely mentally ill. His logic is illogical, and pulling a few sentences out that point in a single direction is misleading.

Do not read any politics into this, anyone could have been the target, regardless of ideology.

[lizbud]

Not excusing the shooter, but it seems pretty obvious from his Youtube postings, only a few of which I have seen, that he is extremely mentally ill. His logic is illogical, and pulling a few sentences out that point in a single direction is misleading.

Do not read any politics into this, anyone could have been the target, regardless of ideology.

Very true. We do not yet know the shooter's intent. He was very much
anti-government. His writings indicate that much, but we need a clearer
picture of the man himself to draw any conclusions.

This first person account of the incident is chilling. I don't think I would
have had the presence of mind to react as quickly. Thank heavens they did.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/09/ari...ex.html?hpt=C1

[RICHARD]

Christina Green
Born September 11, 2001
Died January 8, 2011

Born into a world of terrorism
and died by it's hand.

Bless the children who will never
know a world without hate, anger,
evil and terror.
Amen.

[blue]

Lets find out what this morons real motivation was before we say stupid things like this, ok?

Blue, the 'voting from the rooftops' thing is INSANE. Killing a civilian who posed no threat to you is MURDER. Period.

So stop it, OK?

I would be beyond happy to be wrong.