Politics and religion.

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 02-22-2011, 09:46 AM

I have two questions about the stuff going on in Wisconsin. Apparently, the Democrats have gone into hiding to avoid voting on a bill they don't like. SO:
1. Why do they still get paid for not doing their jobs?

2. Who is paying the bill for the hotel across the state line where they are 'hiding out'?

Just wondering.

**Edwina's Secretary** · 02-22-2011, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces

1. Why do they still get paid for not doing their jobs?

Perhaps, to the people who elected them and to the 70,000 people braving the Wisconsin winter to protest the bill - they ARE doing their job.

The unions have agreed to the financial concessions the governor claims to need. But he will not compromise. He will only accept destroying the unions.

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 02-22-2011, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

Perhaps, to the people who elected them and to the 70,000 people braving the Wisconsin winter to protest the bill - they ARE doing their job.

The unions have agreed to the financial concessions the governor claims to need. But he will not compromise. He will only accept destroying the unions.

Ok, maybe the are making 70,000 people (and the unions) happy but if they don't get their tail feathers back to Washington and pass a bill to keep the government running by March 4th, more than that number will be without their pay checks next month. All gov employees, social secuity and disability people and probably others I can't think off will get shafted because they are too chicken to do their job. They don't have to vote the way the govenor wants them too after all.

**Edwina's Secretary** · 02-22-2011, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces

Ok, maybe the are making 70,000 people (and the unions) happy but if they don't get their tail feathers back to Washington and pass a bill to keep the government running by March 4th, more than that number will be without their pay checks next month. All gov employees, social secuity and disability people and probably others I can't think off will get shafted because they are too chicken to do their job. They don't have to vote the way the govenor wants them too after all.

MOFF- these are Wisconsin State Senators. They are not members of the national senate. They do not go to Washington - they legislate in Madison WI - the state capital. There are two Wisconsin Senators who go to Washington - these 14 are members of the state senate and deal with strictly Wisconsin state. Whether they return to Madison or not will have no impact on what happens in Washington.

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 02-22-2011, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

MOFF- these are Wisconsin State Senators. They are not members of the national senate. They do not go to Washington - they legislate in Madison WI - the state capital. There are two Wisconsin Senators who go to Washington - these 14 are members of the state senate and deal with strictly Wisconsin state. Whether they return to Madison or not will have no impact on what happens in Washington.

Well, for heavens sake!!! I never knew that!!! The news keeps saying they need to get back to Washington so I just thought they were the senators we all vote for for our states to go to Washington. Specially since they keep saying the President should step in. I did think it down right odd that all the Democrat Senators would hide because of what was going on in Wisconsin. OOPSIE!!!

**cassiesmom** · 02-22-2011, 02:20 PM

Here's an editorial that helped me "get it" more with respect to the protests up in Madison, Wisconsin.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...7841218.column

Sorry, public employees, but the private sector is being asked to make bigger contributions to our benefit packages and pensions and we are also seeing our pension plans drop. It's been different for you. I get that you're being asked to do more with less... welcome to my world!

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 02-22-2011, 04:34 PM

One thing I do know is if the President doesn't allow US companies to drill for oil in are own waters, we will be in deep dodo very very soon. Most of the countries we get our oil from are in turmoil. There is already talk of 5 to 7 dollars for a gallon of gas this summer.

**Edwina's Secretary** · 02-22-2011, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by cassiesmom

Here's an editorial that helped me "get it" more with respect to the protests up in Madison, Wisconsin.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...7841218.column

Sorry, public employees, but the private sector is being asked to make bigger contributions to our benefit packages and pensions and we are also seeing our pension plans drop. It's been different for you. I get that you're being asked to do more with less... welcome to my world!

Cassiesmom - Again, I am not a fan of unions - I have worked with them, negotiated with them and fought them. But the article you cited - is about as one sided as it gets. The public sector employees surely need their contracts reined in - but I do not think it is right to destroy them. If they agree to the economic consessions - why is it necessary to destroy the union - to take away their bargaining rights?

The saying is that employers that get a union deserve a union. Unions are designed to balance the playing field between employers and workers.

And once the public sector unions are gone - they will go after the private sector unions. It is all about power.

An interesting side note- what governor of California signed the legislature that brought public sector unions to California? Ronald Reagan.

So - cut back the benefits of public sector unions at the bargaining table.

p.s. Here's an article from last June that may give balance to the issue. Destroying public unions is not being drvien by the so-called "budget crisis" in Wisconsin - it is a strategy of the GOP.

union busting

**RICHARD** · 02-22-2011, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces

Ok, maybe the are making 70,000 people (and the unions) happy but if they don't get their tail feathers back to Washington and pass a bill to keep the government running by March 4th, more than that number will be without their pay checks next month. All gov employees, social secuity and disability people and probably others I can't think off will get shafted because they are too chicken to do their job. They don't have to vote the way the govenor wants them too after all.

They state senators are a bunch of local yokels with no allegiance to the people that voted them in, instead of fighting, they tuck tail and go hang out next door and will come back when they feel like it.

Also, the union have no effing responsibility to the members, they only want to keep the power to make money and increase union dues so they can keep their 'union' jobs.

When I was part of the SEIU those emm effers paid Jesse Jackson some outrageous amount of money, his hotel and traveling expenses to give a talk to the membership.

As far as I am concerned? That moron didn't represent me and I was irritated they (Union) spent the money to sponsor that shyster.

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**RICHARD** · 02-22-2011, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces

I have two questions about the stuff going on in Wisconsin. Apparently, the Democrats have gone into hiding to avoid voting on a bill they don't like. SO:
1. Why do they still get paid for not doing their jobs?

2. Who is paying the bill for the hotel across the state line where they are 'hiding out'?

Just wondering.

I guess they have not found out that Hosni Mubarak has 'retired'.

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