Politics and religion.

**Puckstop31** · 06-23-2010, 07:10 AM

There is no such thing as coincidence. Gen. McChrystal, I think, did this on purpose. He is 'falling on his sword' so to speak. It can't be an accident that he said these thing to Rolling Stone.

I read about super tight RoE over there now. I know from first hand experience what happens when stupid strict RoE is in effect. Body bags get filled and soldier morale plumments. WTF is the point of carrying your weapon if you cannot use it to do your job?

It's what happens when book 'smart' wanna be professors get the keys to the military.

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'Regressives'.... How cute that you belive that. What of the modern 'Progressive' agenda is a new idea? I seem to be able to find (failed) examples of the policies being pushed in examples of recent and not so recent, history. Hmmmm....

**RICHARD** · 06-23-2010, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Puckstop31

There is no such thing as coincidence. Gen. McChrystal, I think, did this on purpose. He is 'falling on his sword' so to speak. It can't be an accident that he said these thing to Rolling Stone.

The worst thing to have happen to you is to work for a pinhead.

The second worst thing to have happen to you is to work for a pinhead that thinks they have all the answers.

Sometimes falling on a sword is the only option.

That shows you willingness to make a stand.

I do realize that you have to "respect the post, not the man", it's the pinhead option that scares me.

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Just saw this cartoon and thought, "how appropriate"!!

**lizbud** · 06-24-2010, 10:21 AM

" Loose lips sink ships",they also sink Generals. If McC. coudn't get a plan
that he designed to work, than he should resign. He has shown the world that
he was a frustrated, undisiplined, loose canon & not fit to command.

**RICHARD** · 06-24-2010, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by lizbud

" Loose lips sink ships",they also sink Generals. If McC. coudn't get a plan
that he designed to work, than he should resign. He has shown the world that
he was a frustrated, undisiplined, loose canon & not fit to command.

Are you talking about the Navy?

If he was a loose cannon, he'd would have come out to the ranks of the arty boys.

McC is bound by the "rules of engagement" -no I'm not talking about a prenup..

I read that many of the troops were disgruntled that they were not allowed to "carry out the mission" they were tasked to do.

Like Col. Jessop said?

We sleep pretty darn good because we have guys like him on the wire.

Handle the truth?

LOL, I don't think any Illinois politico would know the truth if it came out of the woodwork and bit them on the earlobe.

**Puckstop31** · 06-24-2010, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by RICHARD

McC is bound by the "rules of engagement" -no I'm not talking about a prenup..

I read that many of the troops were disgruntled that they were not allowed to "carry out the mission" they were tasked to do.

The worst thing about strict RoE is it causes hesitation. Soldiers often have to take an extra second or two when seconds mean life or death. Combat happens fast. You are quick or you are dead and the 2nd place guy goes home crippled or in a body bag.

Either we fight to WIN or we should go home. War is a ugly, dirty business. You don't win wars by playing nice. Our soldiers are among the very best in the world. We should be able to trust them to do the right thing. Because 999,999 times out of 1,000,000 they do.

**RICHARD** · 06-24-2010, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Puckstop31

The worst thing about strict RoE is it causes hesitation. Soldiers often have to take an extra second or two when seconds mean life or death. Combat happens fast. You are quick or you are dead and the 2nd place guy goes home crippled or in a body bag.

Either we fight to WIN or we should go home. War is a ugly, dirty business. You don't win wars by playing nice. Our soldiers are among the very best in the world. We should be able to trust them to do the right thing. Because 999,999 times out of 1,000,000 they do.

This isn't a good comparison but it's like getting a pass down ice and trying to figure out where to put your shot.

You only get one chance and you have to take it.

You can tell how a 'business' is run by talking to the 'troops' and asking about the 'boss'.

Now? we have to wait and see.

**Edwina's Secretary** · 06-24-2010, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by lizbud

" Loose lips sink ships",they also sink Generals. If McC. coudn't get a plan
that he designed to work, than he should resign. He has shown the world that
he was a frustrated, undisiplined, loose canon & not fit to command.

Amen Liz! McC is the same guy involved in the coverup of Pat Tillman's death. Not a guy I would trust to behave in an honorable manner. He couldn't succeed with his plan so he puts Obama in a position that he has to relieve him of duty. Then he can say....if only Obama hadn't taken him out he would have been...etc...etc. Pass the blame.

After all...nothing is a coincident, right?

**Puckstop31** · 06-24-2010, 06:18 PM

If that is the reason, which indeed it is a possibility... He should have a promising political career. LOL

Whatever the reason he had to go. It will be interesting to see how an at-heart warrior runs things... Or is allowed to run things. Will he be allowed to modify the RoE to something that will give the troops confidence they can do their job?

Truth. Nothing is a coincedence.

**RICHARD** · 06-24-2010, 06:47 PM

What is a crazed sex poodle and exactly what breed is it?

**blue** · 06-25-2010, 01:38 AM

Even after Tillman and NAMA base, McChrystal was Barry's choice to run the war in the Afghan sandbox. And Barry and the left wing loonies, sorry, Obama and the progressives get out the tar and feathers when McChrystal disses the French and says that Barry was intimidated by high ranking military officials? I agree with Puck, McChrystal knew what he was doing when he allowed the RS hack to follow him and his staff around. The only way Barry would have heard about it faster is if it was published in GOLF magazine.

Nobody is denying that McChrystal shouldnt have resigned his post for making his feelings known about how his CiC is handling the war, but do we really want him replaced by a guy who feinted during congressional questioning?

Tillman was killed by friendly fire. How many of our and our allies troops have been killed by progressive RoE? Like Barry and the left wing loo.... sorry, Obama and the progressives know anything about honor.

**lizbud** · 06-25-2010, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Puckstop31

Whatever the reason he had to go. It will be interesting to see how an at-heart warrior runs things...

No need to wait & see. Did you miss the whole Iraq thing?

**Puckstop31** · 06-25-2010, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by lizbud

No need to wait & see. Did you miss the whole Iraq thing?

Wow. You are a military expert too eh?

But...

Yeah... The surge worked better than imagined. Its what happens when American soldiers are allowed to fight to WIN.

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Why are we making McCrystal's resignation/canning an arguement? We both agree he needed to go.