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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    So, patient 0 has died, there are 80 or so possible close contacts being monitored, one has checked himself into the hospital for monitoring.

    Still want to leave those borders open?
    The family is blaming the U.S. for his death. HUH???? Yes - the hospital screwed up when he went in the first time, and they sent him home, but the family is complaining that he didn't get the same experimental drug that the other 2 patients that survived, received. There was no more of that particular drug to be had, so he was receiving a different one. Yeah - I guess they have to blame someone - right???
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    Quote Originally Posted by pomtzu View Post
    The family is blaming the U.S. for his death. HUH???? Yes - the hospital screwed up when he went in the first time, and they sent him home, but the family is complaining that he didn't get the same experimental drug that the other 2 patients that survived, received. There was no more of that particular drug to be had, so he was receiving a different one. Yeah - I guess they have to blame someone - right???
    I am sure they are right now acting out of grief and pain, and fear for their own lives. I do not count anything they say right now against them, frankly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    I am sure they are right now acting out of grief and pain, and fear for their own lives. I do not count anything they say right now against them, frankly.
    They've named "reverend" Jackson as one of the family spokespeople. Racebaiting lawsuit in 3...2...1...
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    Tragic story, the whole ebola situation is sad, and yes the hospital initially screwed up, but experimental drugs are, indeed experimental, and have nothing to do with the color of the individual's skin.

    The media having a field day is the saddest thing of all. I refuse to watch any of the talking heads on this case!
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    Canadian politics nosing in here.

    Our Prime Minister has a habit of offering "omnibus" bills to be passed. As you might guess, there is a lot of stuff in them, and there is often not enough time for opposition members to review everything before the vote. (If I recall correctly, these bills are not even debated!).

    Because the Conservative Party has a majority in the House, the bill passes even if all the other parties vote against it.

    In this latest omnibus bill is a change in copyright law. This means that any political party can take material out of context from Canadian broadcasters - TV, radio, etc - WITHOUT their permission to use in attack ads against other parties.

    Can you tell we have a Federal election coming next year? Harper has to GO!
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    That's awful, doing away with copyright protection like that. Is this widely known to the Canadian public yet? Would there be any kind of public outcry against this happening? Would that be effective?

    How do Harper and the gang justify that, or do they even bother to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catty1 View Post
    Canadian politics nosing in here.

    Our Prime Minister has a habit of offering "omnibus" bills to be passed. As you might guess, there is a lot of stuff in them, and there is often not enough time for opposition members to review everything before the vote. (If I recall correctly, these bills are not even debated!).

    Because the Conservative Party has a majority in the House, the bill passes even if all the other parties vote against it.

    In this latest omnibus bill is a change in copyright law. This means that any political party can take material out of context from Canadian broadcasters - TV, radio, etc - WITHOUT their permission to use in attack ads against other parties.

    Can you tell we have a Federal election coming next year? Harper has to GO!
    So if I want to use a statement made on a news show by my opponent in the election, on a station which might be owned/operated by someone aligned with that opponent which might be run by my political opposition I have to essentially seek the approval of the opposition to use their statement?

    This isn't a change in copyright law, it's common sense. You shouldn't need the approval of your opponent to quote them in a political campaign, as long as the quote is an actual quote.
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    LH, here's an article that explains it a bit better:

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/conse...-ads-1.2046197

    Conservatives to change copyright law, allowing free use of news content in political ads






    CTV News: Unprecedented copyright law in Canada

    The Conservative government plans to change Canada's copyright laws when it comes to political ads. Laurie Graham explains.



    Power Play: Copyright law changes coming?



    University of Ottawa professor Michael Geist says there are problems with the federal government's proposal to change copyright laws.


    CTV News Channel: Path was paved in 1988



    Copyright lawyer Howard Knopf says the pathway for the government’s proposed copyright law changes 'was paved by the Liberals back in 1988.'



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    CTVNews.ca Staff
    Published Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:00PM EDT

    The Conservative government is planning to change Canada’s copyright law to allow political parties to use content published and broadcast by news organizations for free in their own political ads.
    An internal Conservative cabinet document obtained by CTV News details an amendment to the Copyright Act which would allow “free use of ‘news’ content in political advertisement intended to promote or oppose a politician or political party.”
    The amendment would also remove “the need for broadcasters to authorize the use of their news content.” And it would force media outlets to run political ads even if their own footage and content was used in a negative message to voters.
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    Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird speaks to media in the foyer of the House of Commons in Ottawa, Tuesday, Sept.16, 2014. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)


    The government is planning to change Canada's copyright rules so that political parties can use content from media organizations, for free, in their political ads.



    The internal document warns that media outlets will vehemently claim their work is being unfairly targeted for the benefit of political parties. The document provides instructions to Conservatives to come up with a strong communication plan to manage the reaction.
    The proposed legislation is buried in the latest instalment of the omnibus bill, which is sure to pass in the House of Commons, given the Conservative majority. The bill will be introduced in the coming weeks.


    Opposition parties say sneaking in a change to the Copyright Act in the massive bill is “deceitful” and designed to give the Conservative campaign an edge ahead of next year’s federal election.
    “Changing copyright law … to improve their odds of winning over the Canadian public as opposed to improving copyright law to improve the economy, let’s say, is disrespectful,” NDP finance critic Nathan Cullen told CTV News.
    “And to bury it in the middle of an omnibus bill suggests that they knew this wouldn’t be popular.”
    Cullen said using material gathered by journalists for attack-ad purposes without having to ask for news outlets’ permission is “disrespectful” and “shameful.”
    “If I say something unflattering or if I do something that looks a little embarrassing, suddenly it’s a Conservative ad,” he said.
    “They just don’t seem to have any ethical boundary at all. Anything goes, as long as it plays to their advantage.”


    Deputy Liberal Leader Ralph Goodale accused the Conservatives of “choosing a very devious process” to bypass copyright rules that currently prevent them from using media outlets’ material.

    “This is an attempt to take something that is clearly illegal at the moment…and to change the law so that the rules will now suit Conservative practices,” he said.


    Goodale said the move would disadvantage news organizations and, “most seriously, it will blur the line between news and propaganda.”

    Although the copyright amendment would allow all political parties to use news content, Cullen said the NDP is “guided by a different ethic” and does not want to produce attack ads or “smear campaigns.”
    The Conservative Party has already been accused of lifting content from media organizations without permission, for use in attack ads against Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau.
    Some media outlets teamed up and sent a letter to all political parties in May, warning them that use of their content without express authorization will not be tolerated.
    Pollster Nik Nanos said the proposed copyright change will make it “very easy to quickly produce attack ads in order to turn things around.
    “I think the Conservatives think they’re going to need to be very agile in the next election and quite negative in order to tear down the Liberal and the Trudeau brand. And what this does is provide them the opportunity to have that flexibility,” he said.
    Nanos said it appears that Trudeau is “a much more elusive figure to run attack ads against,” so the Conservatives are trying to deploy “every resource they can.”
    With a report from CTV’s Ottawa Deputy Bureau Chief Laurie Graham
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    Tragic story, the whole ebola situation is sad, and yes the hospital initially screwed up, but experimental drugs are, indeed experimental, and have nothing to do with the color of the individual's skin.

    The media having a field day is the saddest thing of all. I refuse to watch any of the talking heads on this case!
    Ebola entering the US isn't sad, it's criminal dereliction of duty and failure to uphold the oath of office on the part of all Constitutional officers in D.C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    Ebola entering the US isn't sad, it's criminal dereliction of duty and failure to uphold the oath of office on the part of all Constitutional officers in D.C.
    I heard our government is now sending 5000 troops to Africa to help with the Ebola situation. It bothers me that we are sending all those healthy people over there to get exposed to that and bring more of it here!!
    No matter what anyone does, someone some where will be offended some how!!!!
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    Again, when fighting an infectious disease, step one of the field hygiene manual calls for the elimination of vectors.

    We're bringing new vectors into the situation.

    Those soldiers, sailors and marines are going to have to be quarantined for 21 days after exposure. Hopefully none of them come down with Ebola, but hope in one hand...

    We're killing people on the altar of political correctness and feeling good. Quarantine, limit (preferably eliminate) travel in the affected areas, and for goodness sake, no more damned commercial flights out of the hot zone. (It's too late for all that, however, the horse has left the barn)
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