Politics and religion.

[Puckstop31]

Charities huh ????
So you think charities are going to feed and support the unemployed ??? The sick ?? The infirm ?? The unmarried mothers ?? The multitudes that arrive daily in your country seeking political asylum and who can't speak a word of English ???
You don't think the govt should feed them ??? Try it !!! And then see how safe you and your family will be.
The BIGGEST problem is the ever widening gap between the rich and the poor. Your BIGGEST HOPE should be to support a system that looks after you and people who can't look after themselves, because if that system breaks down, your Mein Kampf book will begin to look like a book of nursery rhymes.

I do not support just shutting off the switch in one day. It took generations to create this mess, it will take at least one to turn it around. And by 'switch' I mean public welfare. There is a place for public welfare I suppose, but it needs to be a scale WAY, WAY smaller than it is now.

<Here is the part where I really piss some people off.>

Taking public support needs to be HARDER. Public support needs to suck so bad that the people will do anything to get off of it. I hear stories all the time of people being offered jobs, but refuse to take them because their unemployment compensation is 'easier'. The support system needs to be something that is rare, awful and most of all TEMPORARY. NOT a generational thing....

I know it sounds mean. Its harsh. BUT, it is the BEST thing for them. The goal of public support systems should be getting people back to self sufficency as soon as possible. That is not the way it works..... Because those people on the dole, still get to vote themselves more.

Hey, I don't like the system either. But I'll always support it. Because in this day and age, it's the only system that CAN work.
Forget pure capitalism, that don't work no more. Forget pure socialism, cos that don't work either. So what the remedy is, is a mixture of those two doctrines.
The system you advocate, doesn't work. It would never work. Especially in this day and age.

Well my friend... What you are talking about is not working either. Look at Europe. Look at the US. ( I am sure Oz is just ducky. LOL ) We are BROKE. SOMETHING has to give or we are ALL screwed.

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What IS poverty anyway? I ask because you mentioned the gap between rich and poor. I think the West defines poverty poorly. How can you be poor AND fat? Poor and 2 cars? Poor and a fridge full of beer? Poor and have 22's on your BMW? Poor and 3 cartons of smokes? Are there truly poor people in ther West? Of course. But there are way more on the system who DON'T need it. BUT, because they get to vote for more.....

I've served in some crappy places and seen what poverty really is.


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Whatever the answer is.... It HAS to hurt. HAS to. We lived the lie of the Credit Card for way too long. It sucks. I don't like saying this. But, I want my child(ren) to have at least the same chance as me to live the kind of life we live right now. And if my dollar is worthless.....


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Thank you for the honest reply, BTW. This is a much better way to talk. I'm sorry for the Adolph thing... You seemed to use FEAR (a threat) as the method of getting what you wanted. That is how I made the comparision. I am sorry for that.

[Grace]

Back to Joe Miller for a moment.

Joe Miller files appeal; takes election challenge to Alaska Supreme Court
By Sean J. Miller - 12/13/10 05:22 PM ET

Republican Joe Miller is continuing his legal battle over the outcome of the Alaska Senate race.

Miller filed an appeal Monday of the lower court ruling against his lawsuit challenging how the state counted write-in ballots for Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska.).

The state Supreme Court is set to hear arguments in the case on Friday, according to The Associated Press.

Murkowski was declared the winner last month, but the state is legally barred from certifying the results thanks to an order from a federal judge.

She leads Miller by more than 10,000 votes, and even if all of the write-in ballots challenged by Miller were to be thrown out by a judge, he would still have no clear path to victory.

[lizbud]

Back to Joe Miller for a moment.

He really is making himself look rediculous going on & on about this. His
pride is undoubtably hurt big time because he was all but certain to win
(all the polls predicted it) until Lisa Murkowski supporters rampted up the
write in campaign & pulled ahead in the last months of the election.

I tend to pull for the underdog and she sure fit that description in this
contest.She was written off by her own Party, but the people she represents
spoke up loud & clear & supported her return to Congress. I like that.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

[QUOTE=Puckstop31;2319907 I think the West defines poverty poorly. How can you be poor AND fat? Poor and 2 cars? Poor and a fridge full of beer? Poor and have 22's on your BMW? Poor and 3 cartons of smokes? Are there truly poor people in ther West? Of course. But there are way more on the system who DON'T need it. BUT, because they get to vote for more.....

I've served in some crappy places and seen what poverty really is.


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Actually you can be poor and fat. The poor people of the country can't afford the healthy food. They eat lots of things like macarroni that sells for a dollar a box at Walmart or Dollar General Stores.

There are people who are truly poor in the US. Just find a few homeless people getting meals out of trash cans and ask them.

I am living 130% below the poverty level in our country. Now I know I'm tons better off than people eating dirt in third world countries. But I would be homeless too if my brother hadn't bought the house I now live in. My car died 4 years ago. It would cost too much to fix it and I have no money for a different one. I take the senior bus which only runs 3 days a week. That is my sole means of transportation. Try dragging groceries home on that sometime when your joints hurt so much you can hardly move.

I wouldn't have a computer either if my brother hadn't bought mine for me. He is such a blessing to me. I thank God for him every day by the way.

Congress is now trying to push a bill through that is full of Billions of dollars of ear marks but they can't give people on disability a tiny cost of living raise. Ok, I get it. They want me to hurry up and die and get out of their way. I don't plan on doing that any time soon though. I grew up raised by parents who lived through the depression. I know 101 ways to fix noodles.

[blue]

The part of Alaska Election law that is in question.

(11) A vote for a write-in candidate, other than a write-in vote for governor and lieutenant governor, shall be counted if the oval is filled in for that candidate and if the name, as it appears on the write-in declaration of candidacy, of the candidate or the last name of the candidate is written in the space provided.

According to 3 former state legislatures, who helped write and enact the law, interviewed on local radio. If the name written in on the ballot does not exactly match the name as it was written on the candidates declaration to run a write in campaign, that vote is considered invalid.

To used this election as an example. If the name on the declaration to run a write in campaign is Lisa Murkowski, and the name written in on the ballot is Murcowsky the ballot should be ruled invalid.

Another problem with this election are the allegations of voter fraud and electioneering in the Villages. Reports of dozens of ballots with Murkowski's name all written in the same handwriting from several villages. Allegations of people entering the voting booths to "aid" people in voting to ensure that Murkowski's name is spelled correctly.

It seems some think that is more important for the Underdog to win then the law be followed.

[wombat2u2004]

The part of Alaska Election law that is in question.
It seems some think that is more important for the Underdog to win then the law be followed.

It seems to me tho blue, that the law is a bit silly.
For instance, if some poor old bloke can't spell right, or can't spell at all, and puts something in there that indicates plain as sunshine his intent, then is it fair that his vote be invalid ????
Is the right to have ones vote counted only dependant on ones ability to spell correctly ???
Hey, my surname is Browne.
If I was running for office against Jones, how many votes would be cast with Brown in the box ????
Do you think it fair that I should lose that election should those voters not put the "E" at the end of my name ????
I think the judge has shown a lot of commonsense in his ruling. And it's about time that judges should rule those silly laws as inappropriate.

[blue]

So you dont follow laws you feel are silly? Color me surprised.

The law was written to make it very difficult to run a write in campaign. If some poor bloke who cant spell, cant take the time or is to ambivalent to learn by rote how to spell the candidates name he has no one to blame but himself if his vote is ruled invalid.

In this state it is dependent on your willingness to learn to correctly spell the last name of the candidate you wish to write in.

Yes I think it is fair that you should lose an election if you cannot educate your supporters how to spell your name.

Make all the excuses you want, like you always do, to excuse people from personal responsibility.

It seems to me tho blue, that the law is a bit silly.
For instance, if some poor old bloke can't spell right, or can't spell at all, and puts something in there that indicates plain as sunshine his intent, then is it fair that his vote be invalid ????
Is the right to have ones vote counted only dependant on ones ability to spell correctly ???
Hey, my surname is Browne.
If I was running for office against Jones, how many votes would be cast with Brown in the box ????
Do you think it fair that I should lose that election should those voters not put the "E" at the end of my name ????
I think the judge has shown a lot of commonsense in his ruling. And it's about time that judges should rule those silly laws as inappropriate.

[wombat2u2004]

So you dont follow laws you feel are silly? Color me surprised.

The law was written to make it very difficult to run a write in campaign. If some poor bloke who cant spell, cant take the time or is to ambivalent to learn by rote how to spell the candidates name he has no one to blame but himself if his vote is ruled invalid.

In this state it is dependent on your willingness to learn to correctly spell the last name of the candidate you wish to write in.

Yes I think it is fair that you should lose an election if you cannot educate your supporters how to spell your name.

Make all the excuses you want, like you always do, to excuse people from personal responsibility.

Well colour me to !!!! I always thought our blue was a champion for the underdog. So, it's underdogs who can spell...right ???? What else is required for voting by your fair law ???? Gotta be able to fell a deer at 100 yds with one shot ???
I'm sorry your boy didn't win blue, but I guess you just can't help bad luck.....eh ????
Sounds to me like he was beaten fair and square, and you can't handle that..........I guess the majority of voters don't think like you.

[blue]

Well colour me to !!!! I always thought our blue was a champion for the underdog. So, it's underdogs who can spell...right ???? What else is required for voting by your fair law ???? Gotta be able to fell a deer at 100 yds with one shot ???
I'm sorry your boy didn't win blue, but I guess you just can't help bad luck.....eh ????
Sounds to me like he was beaten fair and square, and you can't handle that..........I guess the majority of voters don't think like you.

This isnt about championing anything other then following the law. What does it take to vote down under? A criminal record? How many lagers do you need in you before they let you in the polling booth?

He was beaten, Lisa was bought fair and square, and if you read back I accept that. If I had voted for Lisa my stance on our election laws would be the same. She won but she shouldnt be allowed to count ballots for her that are invalid by law.

[Puckstop31]

Actually you can be poor and fat. The poor people of the country can't afford the healthy food. They eat lots of things like macarroni that sells for a dollar a box at Walmart or Dollar General Stores.

There are people who are truly poor in the US. Just find a few homeless people getting meals out of trash cans and ask them.

I am living 130% below the poverty level in our country. Now I know I'm tons better off than people eating dirt in third world countries. But I would be homeless too if my brother hadn't bought the house I now live in. My car died 4 years ago. It would cost too much to fix it and I have no money for a different one. I take the senior bus which only runs 3 days a week. That is my sole means of transportation. Try dragging groceries home on that sometime when your joints hurt so much you can hardly move.

I wouldn't have a computer either if my brother hadn't bought mine for me. He is such a blessing to me. I thank God for him every day by the way.

Congress is now trying to push a bill through that is full of Billions of dollars of ear marks but they can't give people on disability a tiny cost of living raise. Ok, I get it. They want me to hurry up and die and get out of their way. I don't plan on doing that any time soon though. I grew up raised by parents who lived through the depression. I know 101 ways to fix noodles.

I am sorry to hear that you have such a tough situation. It truly breaks my heart to read this. If only the 'system' could be made to help the people who REALLY need it.

Do you go to a church? I ask because our's has a system of volunteers who spend time transporting our elderly who cannot do so for themselves.

As for the Omnibus bill.... Well, it shows you where their heart really is I guess.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

I am sorry to hear that you have such a tough situation. It truly breaks my heart to read this. If only the 'system' could be made to help the people who REALLY need it.

Do you go to a church? I ask because our's has a system of volunteers who spend time transporting our elderly who cannot do so for themselves.

As for the Omnibus bill.... Well, it shows you where their heart really is I guess.

I don't go to church any more. I can't stand to sit on those hard pews. I stiffen up and can't walk if I do. I don't even know anyone who goes any more.

[wombat2u2004]

I do not support just shutting off the switch in one day. It took generations to create this mess, it will take at least one to turn it around. And by 'switch' I mean public welfare. There is a place for public welfare I suppose, but it needs to be a scale WAY, WAY smaller than it is now.

<Here is the part where I really piss some people off.>

Taking public support needs to be HARDER. Public support needs to suck so bad that the people will do anything to get off of it. I hear stories all the time of people being offered jobs, but refuse to take them because their unemployment compensation is 'easier'. The support system needs to be something that is rare, awful and most of all TEMPORARY. NOT a generational thing....

I know it sounds mean. Its harsh. BUT, it is the BEST thing for them. The goal of public support systems should be getting people back to self sufficency as soon as possible. That is not the way it works..... Because those people on the dole, still get to vote themselves more.

Trouble is tho, who is going to sort out who really needs public support and who doesn't ???
The aged, the disabled, the sick and infirm, the unemployable, newly arrived immigrants, the freeloaders, the fraudsters, war veterans who are completely nuts (like me) , umarried mothers...etc etc ??? Who will sort them out, and determine who is eligible for welfare, and how much welfare they are to receive ???
Who will draw the line ???? Maybe I should rephrase that question....Who will draw the line and have no chance of ever being re-elected ???

I think we in the western world have created a monster, that is very true.
And yes, I agree with you that we are in a real mess. But that mess has been caused by none other than people like you and I. It's called affluence, and that is very rapidly turning into effluence.
I worked as a builder. People paid me top money to build their houses. I'd buy my hinges and screws at a hardware store....guess what I bought ??
The Aussie brand for $20 a set ??? Or the Chinese set for $2.50 ??? Well, I had to be competitive and maximise my profits just like every other builder in the country. So the owner of Aussie Hinges & Screws goes out of business, the bank forecloses on his house, he and his staff are unemployed and all now receive the dole plus rental support. Go figure.
Yeah, your country is in an economic crisis, the same as Britain and many of the European nations. Australia is booming at the moment, but that will change I'm sure. If only we could all not import more than we can export, then perhaps things will change. You know what Aussies are pissed off about ??? Oil costs us $100 a barrell from Saudi Arabia, and we sell our wheat to them for $10.00 a barrell. Stoopid, isn't it ???