Banning docking of tails......in nz....

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by GoldenRetrLuver
Uhh...then what's cruel in your dictionary?
Oh well. People have their own opinions.

Oh, it's painful and unnecessary, but it's not cruel, right?

[Kfamr]

These are from previous threads about cropping ears...

Originally posted by GoldenRetrLuver

"There is NO proven medical benefit to cropping, It has never been scientifically proven that it will cut down on the amount of ear infections by increasing ventilation of the ear canal. Keeping the ears clean from dirt and debris is the job of every dog owner, it's basic maintenance, regardless if the dog is cropped or uncropped."
----quoted from HERE

Originally posted by Kfamr
Here's a great site I found which I agree to what it has to say about cropping ears.
http://www.thepetcenter.com/gen/earc.html


Not only is it painful but it's normally just for looks.

Originally posted by Shelteez2
Ear infections is a phoney reason to get it done. Many breeds with floopy ears are prone to ear infections (spaniels and some retrievers) and others are not. I work at a groomers and dogs with cropped ears can be just as dirty, gunky and infected as those whose ears aren't cropped.
Ear infections actually have a lot to do with diet IMO. I never clean my shelties ears, ever. They don't need it.
If you are going to get them cropped, be truthful and say it would be for aesthetic reasons. You want them cropped for the look.

I hope you two don't mind that I quoted you.

[GSDgurl]

K9soul- I understand where your coming from.

As for Golden n' Kfamr- What you n' I cosider cruel may be different. I'll get you an incite. What "I" consider cruel is cutting the dogs ears n' not even put under, beating your dog, starving them, etc. The dog is put under, so they don't fell any pain till they get up. They come home n' the only thing that bothered my dog was his "POST." You can also get pain pills to prevent them from having pain n' believe me....I did. So don't try n' argue with me....Thank you. See these are the people that don't like a person like me...b/c they believe I put my dog in a cruel position.
And Golden- Thats good you know everyone has their own opinion.....so why did you even ask??
And Kfamr- I don't need someone to repeat thangs...

[Kfamr]

I'm sorry, didn't know I was repeatin' thangs.


I was just giving reliable sources from where I base my opinion. ('n maybe where others are coming from.)

[GSDgurl]

I wasn't talking about the sources....I didn't know they were up at the time I was typing this I was talking about this.....

Oh, it's painful and unnecessary, but it's not cruel, right?

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by GSDgurl
I wasn't talking about the sources....I didn't know they were up at the time I was typing this I was talking about this.....

Ummm.. Okay.


I wasn't directing that comment towards you, I was directing it towards Julie. Hence the reason I quoted her.

Like I said, i'm sorry that I seem to repeating thangs.

[GoldenRetrLuver]

Originally posted by GSDgurl
And Golden- Thats good you know everyone has their own opinion.....so why did you even ask??

It was just a statement. I was confused by that.

[DogLover9501]

Yikes, seems this turned into a big debate!

I gave my opinions, but I would like to say that I dont think docking OR cropping is defined as "cruel" cruel would be a bit different, because they heal from both of these things, they forget them, and theyre still happy, healthy dogs, and I dont think its cruel for people to want them to look standard

And like fox-gal said, about her boxers, Jasper also would clear tables, whip people, get his tail caught in doors...etc if he didnt have it docked, and he was only 4 days old, it hurt for a second, there was no bone or anything, he forgot it in a bit and I dont think thats cruel at all, and its better then getting a home/self docking with a door...

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by DogLover9501
and its better then getting a home/self docking with a door...

Eh.. Generally I make sure my dogs (tails and all) are completely through the door before I close it!

[Amber]

Originally posted by Kfamr
Eh.. Generally I make sure my dogs (tails and all) are completely through the door before I close it!

Yeah me too..no tail choppin at my place!

[DogLover9501]

Well our german shepard cut his tail off in a door by himself, Im not saying Im going to shut the door on their tails, but it happens, like when children are around or if the wind blows the door shut..etc

[Twisterdog]

When I posted in this thread this afternoon, I said to myself, "I'll bet my right arm, when I get back online this evening we will have yet another repetitive, back and forth, argument that is going nowhere and accomplishing nothing in this thread, complete with many, many posts followed by this assinine smilie: "

And I was right! I am psyshic! Twisterdog The Great ... seer of all Battles of the Junior High Mentality. Would anyone like their fortune read?

When Karen and Paul get back, I'm going to suggest that they eliminate this STUPID thing from the site: I am SO sick and tired of some people following almost every one of their posts with it. It is rude and condescending. If you were having a conversation with someone in person, would you roll your eyes like that at them when they said something you didn't agree with?

And, to keep the thread on topic .... dogs injure their tails ALL the time. In doors, by wagging them up against things, by playing rough with another dog, by hunting, by herding, etc. I see thousands and thousands of dogs every year, and YES, dogs DO injure their tails quite often.

[dukedogsmom]

Yep, I think it was on page 2 that I asked if this needed to go to the doghouse. I haven't said anything more about it. Just been observing....

[Kfamr]

I don't understand what that was all about --

But generally yes, topics like this get heated, including declawing, breeding, and topics like that.

[GSDgurl]

DogLover- I agree with you 100% that docking n' cropping are not cruel. They heal n' their just happy, healthy pups, like everyone elses dogs.

Golden- Everything that causes pain is not cruel.....if you think pain is cruel......don't you think spaying and neutering your dog is pain??

Twisterdog- I agree about the " " Personally when you see a person reply with them, its like you already know their being rude. I also believe anything to do with docking, cropping, dewclaw removing, n' lets go ahead n' say fixing your dog to.....since it does cause pain to your animal. Should be sent to the "Doghouse"