Is the President attempting to indoctrinate children?

[Grace]

ETA: How in the heck did socialism become part of this discussion? It wasnt even part of my OP!
Further ETA: I brought socialism into this dang it.

[blue]

My thread lady, not yours. It doesnt change the fact that the public school system is a socialist system.

[Karen]

Where did I accuse the president of anything? I asked a question.

"Is the President attempting to indoctrinate children?"

is your title of this thread, so while technically you are asking a question, you are implying an accusation.

Sorry to pull a lefty tactic but you left it open.

My definition of socialism?

Instead of teaching a man to fish, you take, by force, fish from the fisherman and give it to those who dont know how to fish.

Socialism is a forced, false, system of equality.

And so how are public schools socialism? Ain't no American school that turns out all "equal" students, but they do attempt at least to provide students with a a basic education, to do with what they will.

And your definition of socialism sounds more like communism to me.

[Grace]

My thread lady, not yours.

Quoted before you edited -

natürlich, mein herr

[blue]

natürlich, mein herr

"Of course, my wonderful"???

[Grace]

"Of course, my wonderful"???

Try mine sir. Meaning you are male, as opposed to female.

[blue]

Meh, derail as you seem fit. Go nuts.

[RICHARD]

Are we there yet?
I have to number 1......

Pull over here.............NOW!

[blue]

"Is the President attempting to indoctrinate children?"

is your title of this thread, so while technically you are asking a question, you are implying an accusation.

Asking questions is now accusatory? I did not attach my own bias to the question, nor did I imply my bias to the question.

And so how are public schools socialism? Ain't no American school that turns out all "equal" students, but they do attempt at least to provide students with a a basic education, to do with what they will.

Not socialism, its a socialist system. Take from everybody to benifit a few.

And your definition of socialism sounds more like communism to me.

The end result is the same, so why split hairs?

[blue]

Are we there yet?
I have to number 1......

Pull over here.............NOW!

No stops on this ride.

[Karen]

Asking questions is now accusatory? I did not attach my own bias to the question, nor did I imply my bias to the question.

Not asking a question, the word choice holds its own bias.

Do not these three questions sound different?

"Is the President trying to indoctrinate children?"
"Is the President trying to teach children?"
"Is the President trying to speak to children?"

Not socialism, its a socialist system. Take from everybody to benifit a few.

How does public education "benefit a few?"

The end result is the same, so why split hairs?

Wars have been fought over socialism versus communism. I hardly call that splitting hairs.

[blue]

Not asking a question, the word choice holds its own bias.

Do not these three questions sound different?

"Is the President trying to indoctrinate children?"
"Is the President trying to teach children?"
"Is the President trying to speak to children?"

The title of the linked poll is "Is President Barack Obama attempting to indoctrinate children with his upcoming back-to-school speech?". Ild say the title of this thread is much less biased.

How does public education "benefit a few?"

More taxpayers then students.

Wars have been fought over socialism versus communism. I hardly call that splitting hairs.

Wars have been fought over liberty versus tyranny, socialism and communism have more in common then not. I would call it splitting hairs.

[Lady's Human]

For someone who is normally strict a constructionist, your stance on public education is puzzling.

It is mandated, first and foremost ,in the constitutions of the many states. This is the ultimate expression of states' rights, as Washington D.C. has helped enforce educational requirements in the state constitutions. Just as certain federal agencies are mandated through the US Constitution and taxes/revenue collection methods are mandated to maintain them, education requirements and taxes to fund them are mandated in state constitutions.

[blue]

For someone who is normally strict a constructionist, your stance on public education is puzzling.

It is mandated, first and foremost ,in the constitutions of the many states. This is the ultimate expression of states' rights, as Washington D.C. has helped enforce educational requirements in the state constitutions. Just as certain federal agencies are mandated through the US Constitution and taxes/revenue collection methods are mandated to maintain them, education requirements and taxes to fund them are mandated in state constitutions.

Not first and formost, from article 7.

§ 1. Public Education

The legislature shall by general law establish and maintain a system of public schools open to all children of the State, and may provide for other public educational institutions. Schools and institutions so established shall be free from sectarian control. No money shall be paid from public funds for the direct benefit of any religious or other private educational institution.

What about parents who dont want to take the public option for their childrens schooling? They still pay taxes, and then they have to pay extra to have their children schooled outside of the public system. In effect they are being punished for educating their children outside of the states controll.

[Lady's Human]

No, they are making a choice.

Before we had children, my wife and I paid taxes to support a school system.

Should we have been exempt from taxes as we had no children in the system? No, as education produces better citizens. (which could be easily interpreted as being for the general welfare of the state)

If your schools are failing, get involved, whether you have children or not. There's no clause in school district meetings that I'm aware of which require you to have children in the system to attend the meetings, speak your peace, and exercise your rights as citizens.

School board officials are elected, not appointed. Don't like the way the school system in your municipality is being run? Vote 'em out.

The failure of schools is as much the fault of the parents and other citizens in the school districts as it is the teachers, if not more so.