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    It is alot of subjection, and it will be untill monday when the WH releases the transcript of BHO's speech.

    The whole public school system is allready a socialist system, and has been for a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    The whole public school system is allready a socialist system, and has been for a long time.
    How do you define Socialist?

    And what alternative do you think would be better for public schools?
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    so⋅cial⋅ism [soh-shuh-liz-uhm] –noun 1.
    a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

    There are alot of alternatives to public schooling, yet allmost everybody is forced to fund public schools. People home schooling, or utilizing private schools still have to fund the public schools, even though they are paying for their own childrens education.

    Impliment a voucher system so that families who dont want their kids to go to public school can go to a private school, a charter school, or be home schooled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    Impliment a voucher system so that families who dont want their kids to go to public school can go to a private school, a charter school, or be home schooled.
    What do you suggest for those of us who have no children in the local school district? The last time we had a kid in public schools was over 25 years. Yet we have been paying school taxes right along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace View Post
    What do you suggest for those of us who have no children in the local school district? The last time we had a kid in public schools was over 25 years. Yet we have been paying school taxes right along.
    I dont have kids at all, and I am forced to pay into the system. What do you suggest I do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    I dont have kids at all, and I am forced to pay into the system. What do you suggest I do?
    I asked first

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace View Post
    I asked first
    OK. You should stop paying any and all taxes that go to public schooling. THat will show them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    I dont have kids at all, and I am forced to pay into the system. What do you suggest I do?
    I suggest you be glad that the people around you are better educated than they would otherwise be, that there is no underclass of people too poor to attend any kind of school, that there are people in jobs that serve you that can add and subtract, and that you live in a better society than you otherwise would.

    Guess what? I have no children. I live in a town with high taxes. We are building a new hugely expensive and controversial high school, whose construction effects me basically every time I leave my own small street. But am I griping and complaining about it because I don't have children? No. I chose to live here. And, as a matter of fact, I like the children on my street, some of whom attend public school, some who attend private school, but all of whom are my neighbors, and are good, decent, respectful human beings, and all over the age of three learned the proper way to pet a rabbit from Miss Hoppy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    I suggest you be glad that the people around you are better educated than they would otherwise be, that there is no underclass of people too poor to attend any kind of school, that there are people in jobs that serve you that can add and subtract, and that you live in a better society than you otherwise would.
    You are assuming kids wouldnt get an education if there wasnt the public option.

    There are kids that graduate public school that cant read, do basic arithmetic, or even find their state on a globe. Heck some of them even graduate college.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    You are assuming kids wouldnt get an education if there wasnt the public option.

    There are kids that graduate public school that cant read, do basic arithmetic, or even find their state on a globe. Heck some of them even graduate college.
    I agree with Karen.

    I dare say that there are also home-schooled kids who can't read, do basic math, or find their state on a globe.

    Personally, I don't mind paying taxes that support schools. I've been a volunteer in a local school library for 10 years, and I see what can happen when a dedicated teacher works magic on children. To instill a love of learning in a child is a God-given gift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace View Post
    I agree with Karen.

    I dare say that there are also home-schooled kids who can't read, do basic math, or find their state on a globe.

    Personally, I don't mind paying taxes that support schools. I've been a volunteer in a local school library for 10 years, and I see what can happen when a dedicated teacher works magic on children. To instill a love of learning in a child is a God-given gift.
    Im sure you are proud for steering this thread off course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    I'm sure you are proud for steering this thread off course.
    Poor blue - I have no doubt you will get everyone strictly on topic again - without delay

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    Why would I bother?

    Go ahead and further derail it.

    BTW: Was it Marx or Stalin who kept repeating "The Greater Good, For The Greater Good, The Greater Good, For The Greater Good"?
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    And your original topic was accusing the President of Indoctrinating children ... and again, I asked where you would draw the line between teaching and indoctrination.

    And don't you go quoting some dictionary definition at me - anyone can find a definition on the Internet - that's not what I am interesting in. For example, I didn't ask you for a textbook definition of Socialism, but your definition.

    Yes, there are always children who end up illiterate, but look at the percentages of literacy in countries with public education systems, versus those without one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    And your original topic was accusing the President of Indoctrinating children ... and again, I asked where you would draw the line between teaching and indoctrination.

    And don't you go quoting some dictionary definition at me - anyone can find a definition on the Internet - that's not what I am interesting in. For example, I didn't ask you for a textbook definition of Socialism, but your definition.

    Yes, there are always children who end up illiterate, but look at the percentages of literacy in countries with public education systems, versus those without one.
    Where did I accuse the president of anything? I asked a question.

    Sorry to pull a lefty tactic but you left it open.

    My definition of socialism?

    Instead of teaching a man to fish, you take, by force, fish from the fisherman and give it to those who dont know how to fish.

    Socialism is a forced, false, system of equality.

    ETA: How in the heck did socialism become part of this discussion? It wasnt even part of my OP!
    Further ETA: I brought socialism into this dang it.
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