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    Is the President attempting to indoctrinate children?

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    If you arent aware of what is the POTUS is planning for o9/08/09....

    A suggested lesson plan that calls on school kids to write letters to themselves about what they can do to help President Obama is troubling some education experts, who say it establishes the president as a "superintendent in chief" and may indoctrinate children to support him politically.

    Obama will deliver a national address directly to students on Tuesday, which will be the first day of classes for many children across the country. The address, to be broadcast live on the White House's Web site, was announced in a letter to school principals last week by Education Secretary Arne Duncan.

    Obama intends to "challenge students to work hard, set educational goals and take responsibility for their learning," Duncan wrote. Obama will also call for a "shared responsibility" among students, parents and educators to maximize learning potential.

    But in advance of the address, the Department of Education has offered educators "classroom activities" to coincide with Obama's message.

    Students in grades pre-K-6, for example, are encouraged to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals."

    Teachers are also given guidance to tell students to "build background knowledge about the president of the United States by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama."

    During the speech, "teachers can ask students to write down key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful."

    For grades 7-12, the Department of Education suggests teachers prepare by excerpting quotes from Obama's speeches on education for their students to contemplate -- and ask as questions such as "Why does President Obama want to speak with us today? How will he inspire us? How will he challenge us?"

    Activities suggested for after the speech include asking students "what resonated with you from President Obama's speech? What lines/phrase do you remember?"

    Obama announced his intention to deliver the address to students during an interview with Damon Weaver, a middle school student from Florida who gained a following of his own last year on the campaign trail for his interviews of high-profile figures.

    The Department of Education is using the president's address to kick off a video contest titled, "I Am What I Learn," in which students are invited to submit videos of up to two minutes on the importance of education in achieving their dreams.

    Obama's critics say the lesson plans and the president's calls for a "supportive community" are troubling on many levels.

    "In general, I don't think there's a problem if the president uses the bully pulpit to tell kids to work hard, study hard and things like that. But there are some troubling hints in this, both educationally and politically," said Neal McCluskey, associate director of Cato Institute's Center for Educational Freedom.

    Among the concerns, McCluskey said, is the notion that students who do not support Obama or his educational policies will begin the school year "behind the eight ball," or somehow academically trailing their peers.

    "It essentially tries to force kids to say the president and the presidency is inspiring, and that's very problematic," McCluskey said. "It's very concerning that you would do that."

    Parents of public school students would also have to pay for that "indoctrination," regardless of their political background, he said.

    "That's the fundamental problem. They could easily be funding the indoctrination of their children."

    Frederick Hess, director of education policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank, said the suggested lesson plans cross the line between instruction and advocacy.

    "I don't think it's appropriate for teachers to ask students to help promote the president's preferred school reforms and policies," Hess said. "It very much starts to set up the president as a superintendent in chief."

    Amid the debate on the federal government's level of involvement on issues like health care and others, Hess said, "There's a lot of people" on both sides of the political spectrum who will rightfully be concerned with the president's call to action.

    "It shows exactly what the problem is," he said. "This is going to open the door to all kinds of concerns."

    Messages to the White House seeking comment were not immediately returned early Wednesday.

    After reading the Department of Education lesson plans for the speech, McCluskey said he noticed several passages that should set off "alarm bells," including language that attempts to "glorify President Obama" in the minds of young students.

    "It could be a blatantly political move," he said. "Nobody knows for sure, but it gives that impression."

    McCluskey also noted that the lesson plans for young students contain suggestions to write letters to themselves on how they can help the president, but that suggestion is not in the lesson plan for middle and high schoolers -- perhaps due to the likelihood of increased political ties at that age.

    "You don't want to see this coming from the president," McCluskey said. "You don't want to see this coming from the federal government."
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    have to give the nod to the kids. They are a great deal smarted than we give them credit for, plus they can smell a stinker when they see it.

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    LOL @ Arne Duncan Can we say "Nanny State" class?


    This article is reason 1,284,391 Hannah is not going to public schools.
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    I'm not crazy about this plan. If he wants to address kids, that's fine, but he should do that with their parents present. It just makes me uncomfortable.

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    Thankfully, our local schools don't begin session until 2 days after this little gem.

    Republican or Democrat, I don't care, school is for teaching, not politics.

    Pres. Bush caught hell from the Democrats for doing this in 1991, but it's okay now?

    Keep the nitwits from DC in DC, and out of the classroom.

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    Lets see, it was ok for President H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan to
    address school children, but not ok for President Obama??? This is just
    more fodder to feed the paranoid fantasies of the seriously unhinged.
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    We have a whole list of kids at school who are NOT allowed to view the address. Can't say I blame the parents really.

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    I saw exactly what Obama was going to say to all the school children. He is an AWESOME role model, and if it helps get some of these kids to stay in school, get an education and makes them better people, then I say

    HELL YEAH!!!!

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    I couldn't agree more, Moosmom

    I agree 100%, Moosmom. I don't know why so many people were worked up about their children watching or listening to a President. I was not a fan of either President Bush, and yet I watched every speech that was on TV, so that I could stay informed. Even if parents didn't support the current President, I would have encourage the children to listen/watch and then form their own opinions.

    Much ado about nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasvermont View Post
    I agree 100%, Moosmom. I don't know why so many people were worked up about their children watching or listening to a President. I was not a fan of either President Bush, and yet I watched every speech that was on TV, so that I could stay informed. Even if parents didn't support the current President, I would have encourage the children to listen/watch and then form their own opinions.

    Much ado about nothing.

    It is much ado about nothing. When you consider the horrible retention rate of children these days, kids graduating without knowing their ABC's, dropouts, general decline in education because of a lack of parenting (IMO), everyone is all of a sudden concerned about a child listening to a president? As if the child will listen, become en-culted (I made that word up), and rebel against the household politics, all because of a speech? If that were the case, our educational system would not be where it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasvermont View Post
    Even if parents didn't support the current President, I would have encourage the children to listen/watch and then form their own opinions.

    Much ado about nothing.
    I agree with the much ado............

    And unfortunately, I believe if the children form any opinion at all, it will be based on what they are hearing (if anything) at home from their parents.
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  12. A parent was interviewed on the radio this morning. He said he is afraid his child will want to become a community organizer if she listens to the speech.

    I am not making that up.

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    I just watched the live broadcast - here's my view on it, for what it's worth.

    It wasn't anything more than a pep rally, geared toward middle schoolers and above. Children younger than that, I'm sure had little comprehension of what he was saying, nor will they retain any of it. And having a kindergartner view it - why???

    Unless the teachers of these younger children take the time to go over some of the points on a level that is understandable to them, then it was pointless for them to even view it.

    Get with the program Mr President. You can't talk to a first grader and a senior in high school on the same level. Your intentions may have been good, but your delivery was sadly deficient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    A parent was interviewed on the radio this morning. He said he is afraid his child will want to become a community organizer if she listens to the speech.

    I am not making that up.
    Parent prolly meant communist and was afraid to say it....

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