Run Hillary Run- bumper sticker thread

[caseysmom]

I haven't seen that sparks, and yes I had a magnet for years until it fell apart.

[sparks19]

Yes Bobsdad I have seen those. I think those are kinda cool cause you can actually see right through them.

but here in Lancaster everyone paints words all over their windows. Deaths, celebrations, sports teams.... everything lol. I guess it must just be a lancaster county thing. I have never seen it anywhere else.... just here.

Especially when the hershey bears went to the Calder Cup. EVERYONE had their windows painted up. They just take a brush and some sort of water soluable paint and just paint up their windows.

I have even seen people driving around with RIP Tom or whatever the persons name happens to be and then dates and other things all over the windows.

I have never seen anything like it before. I thought.... why would you want to paint on your car lol

[borzoimom]

Neither, I think bumper stickers are tacky.

I have dog magnets on my van and these like stained glass on the inside- but I do not put stickers on the bumpers- as this changes the value of your vehicle should you trade it in. ( it will show a sunlight mark)
I uh have been known to tape on the inside of windows.. lol..

[Pembroke_Corgi]

I know that many people hate Hilary for different reasons, but I don't see how she is any different from other politicians, yet people seem to hate her more. I can only assume it's because she's a woman, and therefore whatever she does (or doesn't do) is subject to more ridicule.

As for health care, I think socialized health care is a MUCH better solution than anything that this administration has managed to come up with. Which was what- tell people to save up their own money? Let's see, if you make minimum wage, you can use you $500 tax return on 5 mins in the ER.

[sparks19]

I know that many people hate Hilary for different reasons, but I don't see how she is any different from other politicians, yet people seem to hate her more. I can only assume it's because she's a woman, and therefore whatever she does (or doesn't do) is subject to more ridicule.

As for health care, I think socialized health care is a MUCH better solution than anything that this administration has managed to come up with. Which was what- tell people to save up their own money? Let's see, if you make minimum wage, you can use you $500 tax return on 5 mins in the ER.

AH yes but remember.....

You may be paying for it right now but if they socialize medicine your taxes will have to sky rocket. After all, they have to pay for it somehow and it certainly isn't going to come out of their pockets. it's going to come out of yours. Like I said, in Ontario they tax almost half of your pay cheque and then you pay an extra 15% sales tax on everything you buy.... including nessecities. So those people on minimum wage that can't afford health care now will not be able to afford to live because the government is going to tax them out the wazoo. We are experiencing this exact problem in ontario right now. Minimum wage people can't afford to live because for one they make minimum wage and two the governemtn is taking over 50% of their money in pay cheque taxes and sales taxes. You must pay taxes on food and clothing too. 15%. Oh sorry.... it's 14% now that harper is in parliment. and they STILL can't afford the health care system. So it really isn't that much better a solution. Either way the people that can't afford it are still going to be paying for it.... except NOW you will paying for it whether you are using their services or not.

[borzoimom]

yup!!!

[Pembroke_Corgi]

AH yes but remember.....

You may be paying for it right now but if they socialize medicine your taxes
will have to sky rocket. After all, they have to pay for it somehow and it certainly isn't going to come out of their pockets. it's going to come out of yours. Like I said, in Ontario they tax almost half of your pay cheque and then you pay an extra 15% sales tax on everything you buy.... including nessecities. So those people on minimum wage that can't afford health care now will not be able to afford to live because the government is going to tax them out the wazoo. We are experiencing this exact problem in ontario right now. Minimum wage people can't afford to live because for one they make minimum wage and two the governemtn is taking over 50% of their money in pay cheque taxes and sales taxes. You must pay taxes on food and clothing too. 15%. Oh sorry.... it's 14% now that harper is in parliment. and they STILL can't afford the health care system. So it really isn't that much better a solution. Either way the people that can't afford it are still going to be paying for it.... except NOW you will paying for it whether you are using their services or not.

Have you ever heard the saying "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure?" This is true in the health care industry- meaning, people who can't afford to see a doctor wait until their symptoms/problem are way more difficult and costly to cure. This adds strain on our health care system- as does administrative costs associated with different insurances, etc. According to this source, administrative costs could account for nearly 24% of total health care costs.

And actually, the USA spends the MOST money of any country in the world on health care per capita. And as for the problem of low-wage earners being taxed, well, the solution is simple: tax the rich more than the poor. They have the "bigger piece" of that pie that is supposed to trickle down somehow so that's one way. Also, I read an article that health care premiums have risen about 5,000% in the last ten years, so I'm not really worried about being taxed- the premiums are just as high if not higher. Plus, that way ALL Americans could be covered, not just ones with cushy jobs.

[borzoimom]

But socialized heath care is based on a tax per dollar- not like an income tax- its taxper dollar... It doesnt work- and you are stuck with waiting for the doctor to move you though a level of paper process that is slower than molassass in Vermont in January...

[Grace]

In the position as President- morality would matter alot! It shows how someone sees the laws- or is it just " hairs to split". I would more so vote for a candiate that was divorced than one that uh supported incidences that goes against the "structure" of what we call "marriage".. Thats also why whats-his-name is under so much fire now- he is a Morman- that has many beliefs different than the " common" man such as multiple wives etc..

Mitt Romney is his name, and he is a Mormon. The Mormons have not practiced plural marriages for over 100 years. Yes, there are some off-shoots from the LDS that do it, but they are ostracized by main stream Mormons, and some of them are arrested for their practices.

Romney's problems right now stem from his flipping and flopping all over the place about abortion and gays. When he ran for Governor of Massachusetts in 2002, he said this about abortion-

'I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one," Romney wrote in answer to a NARAL questionnaire during the campaign. ''Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government's. The truth is, no candidate in the governor's race in either party would deny women abortion rights. So let's end this argument that does not exist and stop the cynical, divisive attacks made only for political gain."

Now he's saying he was ALWAYS pro-life. Then he supported civil unions, at least, for gays. Now he is backing off that.

Once I thought he would be a great candidate - now I have no respect for him. He will say anything to get elected.

[borzoimom]

scary isnt it??? Maybe we should make bumper stickers of all the candiates- and let the decide front or back.
thank you for providing his name- I am sorry- I forgot it... The field is LOADED AT THIS point..

[sparks19]

Have you ever heard the saying "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure?" This is true in the health care industry- meaning, people who can't afford to see a doctor wait until their symptoms/problem are way more difficult and costly to cure. This adds strain on our health care system- as does administrative costs associated with different insurances, etc. According to this source, administrative costs could account for nearly 24% of total health care costs.

And actually, the USA spends the MOST money of any country in the world on health care per capita. And as for the problem of low-wage earners being taxed, well, the solution is simple: tax the rich more than the poor. They have the "bigger piece" of that pie that is supposed to trickle down somehow so that's one way. Also, I read an article that health care premiums have risen about 5,000% in the last ten years, so I'm not really worried about being taxed- the premiums are just as high if not higher. Plus, that way ALL Americans could be covered, not just ones with cushy jobs.

AHHH so we should punish people for being successful? typical. I think THAT is crap. So because my husband and I worked are butts off to get where we are and make the money we do we should be punished for it because some people didn't do the same? We are far from rich but we are also far from poor. Because of that we should have to pay everyone else's way? I despise that way of thinking. Why should people be punished for being successful? You start doing that and people will stop being successful becuase they will end up making more money working minimum wage jobs and then where will we be? Although that seems to be Hillary's line of thinking as well.... as long as you aren't taking her money from her. I just don't get that.... take money from people who earned it just because they worked hard to get where they are. How about this.... instead of socialized medicine how about we just send everyone's medical bills to the rich people and they can pay them. does that sound fair? I truly hope you don't say yes.

Not to mention..... how much do you thinkt hey will have to raise taxes to pay Dr's enough so they can pay enough for insurance because of the OUTRAGEOUS settlements they are awarding people for a cut finger. Do you know on average how much a Dr has to pay for malpractice insurance each year? it ain't cheap. But that's ok... we just let the well off people foot the bill right?

yes I have heard that saying. but I have also witnessed socialized medicine first hand. NOW people can go to the Dr whenever they like for anything they like no matter how trivial. NOW Dr's don't care... they don't want to do the tests for something more serious because 9 times out of 10 it's nothing. Now no Dr's are taking patients because they are overloaded with the patients they have. Now you must wait hours and hours to get into a walk in clinic or an emergency room because people are there for the sniffles or a scraped knee. NOW the medical system is just a rotating door.... get them in and get them out as fast as you can. ZERO personal care.... ZERO intiative to take a closer look. The only extra money they make is from drug companies who want Dr's to peddle their product... and the Drs do very willingly. It doesn't solve the problem but it sure gets the patients out of the office for a day or two.

here is a better idea.... regulate how much someone can get for malpractice suits. Millions of dollars for a cut finger that got infected becuase you didn't take care of it is ridiculous. If it is BLATANT malpractice then by all means you should get money for your medical bills, missed time at work, and perhaps some for pain and suffering but I don't know ANYONE that felt better after getting millions from a Dr. THAT is what causes medical rates to go up so much. At least that is a big part of it. Regulate it. Insurance costs will go down, Dr's won't have to charge as much and we won't have to pay as much. but socialized medicine does NOT work. Just because the US has money does not mean it will work for you. You also have millions more people than any other country. those millions of people are going to start seeking medical help for everything and thus clogging up the entire system for those who really need it.

[sparks19]

Just out of curiousity... if Canada's Health care system is sooo awful, why do they maintain one of the highest life expectancies (about 80 years) and lowest infant morality rates of industrialized countries.

Usually countries with such deplorable health systems have very low life expectancies and an extremely high infant mortality rates.

Just a question...

apparently we are just healthy people all that cold freezes the germs lol.

I can't say but we WERE voted the worst place to live if you have a possibly terminal illness because you just can't get the care you need. I will see if I can find an article on that but again I don't know where to look.

My grandmother and Grandfather are both over 85 BUT thank goodness neither one has had any serious illness to contend with. My great grandmother was the same way. Sharp as a tack till the day she died.

Plus, most elderly people have to seek out the care of a specialist for any kind of specific treatment... specialists are not covered under OHIP. Specialists DO get to charge and if you don't have benefits you must pay them, the government doesn't. so that could be another reason. although my grandmother could have to have a hip replactment.... she sees and orthopedic Dr, OHIP doesn't cover him and she still has to wait 2 years for the replacement because they can't get an OR, they are all booked until then.... although at her age I don't really see the point... the surgery will be far more detrimental to her health than not having it I assume at her age.

Basically unless it is an EMERGENCY you can't get any kind of scheduled surgery in under a year.

it's general practitioners that are the real problem... we don't have enough and the ones we do have don't care. but they pump you full of antibiotics so that must count for something.

[RICHARD]

Not to mention..... how much do you thinkt hey will have to raise taxes to pay Dr's enough so they can pay enough for insurance because of the OUTRAGEOUS settlements they are awarding people for a cut finger. Do you know on average how much a Dr has to pay for malpractice insurance each year? it ain't cheap. But that's ok... we just let the well off people foot the bill right?

Now you must wait hours and hours to get into a walk in clinic or an emergency room because people are there for the sniffles or a scraped knee. NOW the medical system is just a rotating door.... get them in and get them out as fast as you can. ZERO personal care.... ZERO intiative to take a closer look. The only extra money they make is from drug companies who want Dr's to peddle their product... and the Drs do very willingly. It doesn't solve the problem but it sure gets the patients out of the office for a day or two.

You are on the button.

Medicine/drug research and law are the three reasons that medicine in the U.S. sucks.

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Mitt's got charm. which more than I can say for the other fence straddlers.

I was at an event when they ran the torch to SLC and he was there as the SLCOOC head.

He was articulate, friendly had some of the tools to be the prez already in place.

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Does Barack have a middle name?

[sparks19]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...BNStory/cancer

Here is one article.... there are more but they are in PDF form and for some reason I can't get the pages to open. I just get a blank screen.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...BNStory/cancer

Also, I should change my wording.... it really isn't Canada's health system... it is Ontario's OHIP. The Ontario health insurance policy that is failing. Of course I only have experience with Ontario's socialized medicine and it seems to be the worst in all of Canada.

BTW, if you are having trouble following my train of thought have no fear... did you know that a pregnant womans brain can shrink up to 8% during pregnancy. it's a good excuse I think


This is an interesting "letter to the editor"

notice he says that this kind of health care system is just not feasible in this day and age. but I think he makes a good point about making practioners responsible for their fees.

[sparks19]

Bob's Dad I correct myself.... it is actually Ontario that has the terribly failing system. I think it was in Canada and the US, ontario was the worst place to be treated.

Here is another article. thank goodness McGuinty didn't last long in office
http://ontariondp.com/mcguinty-faili...fe-health-care