This is monsterous.:mad: Current count is 26 dead, 18 children and 8 adults. What kind of society have we become?
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This is monsterous.:mad: Current count is 26 dead, 18 children and 8 adults. What kind of society have we become?
A barbaric, gun-loving society. Where 18th century language is used as an excuse. Where guns are loved more than children.
I am angry and I am crying. This is just too too much.
And please. please - let no one say..."if the teachers were armed this would not have happened." But sadly - someone will...
Me too pom i feel sick
How terrible and tragic. :( :( So many people lost their lives today, most of them children, because of a lunatic with two guns. When will things change? How can so many Americans be in favor of gun ownership! I just don't get it - it has happened several times before.
My sympathy goes to the many families and friends of all these dead people. What a Christmas they will have. :( :(
great, another nutcase making gun owners look bad. You do realize that for every wacko out there that shoots people there are literally thousands of perfectly responible gun owners? From what I understand the guy had the gun illegally anyway, so he already broke the gun laws before he even pulled the trigger.
Two police officers were shot and one of them was killed by a 15 year old in Memphis today. No way in hell was it legal for a minor to have. Granted, if he was a responsible law-abiding model citizen, they probably wouldn't have raided his house to begin with.
And, I'm not a gun nut, believe me! There are several in the house and my boyfriend has a carry permit. I don't like them at all but I know that if they were harder to own, then people would just become more desperate to get them. Think about it... many drugs are illegal to make, distribute, or abuse too and yet there are tons of desperate people out there who would do even more desperate and despicable things to get them.
gun laws are a tricky issue for sure. But every time there are rumors of tightening the reigns on gun owners, they just go out and buy more while they still can, trust me.
For the record, NJ has some of the strictest gun laws out there. He is from Hoboken, NJ.
NO ONE wanted anything like this to happen. This is sick, twisted and disgusting. I've cried over it today twice. I am assuming he had something against his family, and he apparently killed most of them too. Unfortunately he had to kill 27 others with them...repulsive. I am disgusted that he comes from the same state as me and that I could have walked right past him at any time.
Please keep all the victims in your prayers, and all the families affected. My church organist for the past two years, who recenty stepped down, is from that town, her cousin and godson attend that school. They are both safe, as is her mother, who works in another school there, which was on lockdown all day, of course.
Please do not try to find sense in all this, although endless talking heads will speculate. It was the shooter's mother, and her classroom and students that were the target, but beyond that, we do not know, and there may be no "why" involved.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/...ack/index.html
China was hit by a spate of knife and cleaver attacks that targeted school children in 2010.
A number of measures were introduced at the time, including increased security at schools across the country and a regulation requiring people to register with their national ID cards when buying large knives.
Not all the information is in quite yet. I can't imagine mowing down kindergarten children and first graders. What a sick person he must have been. Mental health can be a fragile thing. I understand the killer had his brother's ID on him. Gosh, such damage to hundreds of people. Their lives will be a mess for years to come.
I hate guns. I would never own one. I see no reason why anyone needs an automatic "anything" gun-wise. Let's get the Glocks (?) off the street. I understand the killer went through hundreds of bullets ... many, many rounds.
This story makes me sick and angry.
Ah yes. Here we go again. Excuses, excuses, excuses. If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns! The Second Amendment! I need my gun to protect my family! They got the guns illegally so laws would do no good.
And..."in China they had a spat of knife killings." :rolleyes::rolleyes: Oh please - I have no idea what that has to do with anything but I would take my chances with a knife nut over a gun nut any day.
This is two of these public shootings in a week. In what is supposedly the season of peace and goodwill!!
In a week or two, when all the children are buried we will forget about it...until the next one. And there will be a next one.
Then once again we will hear... If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns! The Second Amendment! I need my gun to protect my family! They got the guns illegally so laws would do no good.
I guess we will continue to curse the darkness instead of lighting a candle.
Pork chop murder.
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/nation...ray-in-florida
Will the alledged shooter be grilled?
I would agree with you regarding mental health record checks. But there are also the "gun show" loop holes that should be closed. There are so many things that could be - and should be done.
Unfortunately we will hear about gun owners' rights and the politicians will be too scared to do what they should do.
p.s. It is HIPAA - Health Insurance Portability & Accountability Act.
You can't tighten the reigns on the owners, but we can & should ban the sale of "assault " type weapons with the potencial to kill a whole bunch
of people with little effort by the shooter. Tell me what good use you know of for a weapon that shoots so many rounds of ammo in just minutes?
Assault weapons are a scam foisted on the public to scare people.
I can think of a number of formerly legal yet now banned (they AWB killed the companies that made the weapons) semi-auto .22s that were banned because of cosmetics under the unlamented AWB. They were no more dangerous than a squirrel hunting rifle, but they looked scary!
The action of the weapon means absolutely nothing, unless you're going to restrict people to single shot weapons. and even then it's a specious argument.
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Don't change anything...don't fix anything because in 1776 ...blah...blah...blah.
It is so sad.....
Who has said don't change or fix anything?
I mentioned repairing a very large and real loophole in current law. The gun show loophole account for a miniscule number of transactions. Just like the Assault Weapons ban, it's pointless window dressing with no real impact for anyone other than lawful gun owners.
Adding mental health records checks to the NICS system would close a huge loophole which allows many to acquire firearms who shouldn't have them.
While we're picking nits, the US Constitution was debated and passed in 1787, became the law of the land in 1789, and the Bill of Rights was ratified in 1791. without the accompanying bill of rights, the Constitution would not have passed, as the states felt that the unmodified document gave the Federal Government too much power.
Read this on another site:
People are already offering up solutions to this tragedy. There isn't one.
Evil people exist. They always will. Some people are simply born broken. They want to rape, kill, hurt, whatever.
You can prepare for them, look out for them, and do your best to be vigilant, but you can't legislate them or counsel them to not be broken.
That's awful. Police officers, my goodness. Gun laws are a very tricky issue indeed.
LH, a comment, though- mental health advocates aren't going to like this one; they are going to argue for the person's right to privacy. But I think my right to be safe from a person with a history of mental illness purchasing a gun trumps that person's right to privacy. If you step up to a counter and say you want to buy a gun, you should be prepared for your background to be checked. You don't like that, don't buy a gun. Or they will just get around it by acquiring a gun illegally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
There's no need to violate privacy, just have the system set up to flag the app for mental illness without specifying what the illness is. If the individual feels that they are being unfairly targeted for whatever reason, then let them go to court and have a judge rule on the issue.
I know people with absolutely immaculate records who could legally own firearms due to the NICS not having anything to do with a mental health check. Frankly a couple of them shouldn't be able to have anything more dangerous than a flexipen, but because their mental competency isn't part of the equation, they can legally own firearms if they so desired.
the more I think about it, there are similarities between guns and pitbulls. People who have either one generally love them and don't want to give them up. Anyone who has been attacked or shot, wants them all destroyed or heavily restricted. Responsible owners can safely use dogs or guns to protect family and property, and irresponsible folks collect and show either of them off for "street cred" or to do harm.
They said on the news this evening that the guns the guy used to kill the people at the school and his own mother, were all legally owned, by her!!!
Though I come from a hunting family, I hate guns. Specially the assult types. I don't buy the reasoning that you need one of those to go hunting. You don't need one to kill a deer or even a moose. Those are used for slaughtering on a large scale.
I also know, that if someone wants a gun badly enough they will get one. Even if gun sells were now banned, there are enough out there to arm a small nation.
So, I guess it boils down to I don't know the answer on gun control.
Where I would start, is putting metal dectors and an armed security guard or two in all the schools. Lock the schools down after a certain time each morning and not let any one in unless they are serched by the guards and go through the metal dectors. I know it will make the shools like prisons, but that is better than having children slaughtered. As for the cost: I'd think the gov would do well to cover that cost. I'd rather my tax dollars go for keeping children safe than sending money to countries who hate us.
Just my opinions! (don't yell at me when you disagree, my blood pressure is high enough):love:
There are so many ways to get a gun that do not involve a background check! Gun shows, buy from your neighbor (or perhaps the guy who was trying to sell some guns last week and accidently killed his - what was it - 7 year old son??)
And I am talking about legal guns.
So excuse me for getting the YEAR in the 18th century wrong. It was still the 18th century. This is the 21st. Times change. Firearms change and increase in KILLING ABILITY. The country is bigger and full of more people than could have been dreamed of in 1776 or 1787 or 1789 or 1791.
The world is too different to hang your hat - or your "instrument of death" - on what was acceptable in the 18th century.
Unless, of course, you think that leeches and cupping are still great medical treatments???
Emeril Legasse is selling knives on a TV shopping network.
Anyone with a credit card can buy these.
We need laws to protect people.
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The 'assault rifle' didn't come into play in this incident.
It was in the car - the damage was done with two easily concealable guns.
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The media covering this are a bunch of effing morons - I am watching Nancy Grace, waiting for the mention of her twins ........I especially find the interviews of the kids, "WHAT DID YOU SEE???????" to be so cruel and irresponsible - The lyrics of the song Dirty Laundry come to mind....
This is a brutal and senseless act by some idiot with guns he took from his mother.
The reporters use terms like "lethal weapon" - If you take the bullets out of a gun does it make it non-lethal?
Two pistols used, and now every gun on the planet is suspect?
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I can see some yoyo being told he cannot buy a gun, walking out of the shop and running over 10 people because he's ticked off.
I am more afraid of some doofus with an ICBM or a handle on some material to make a dirty bomb.
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Nancy Grace hammers home the news that the kid's bodies are still lying where they fell and what about the poor parents.
Nothing like an effing ghoul making sure we hear every gory detail.
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Actually?
Our media is pretty tame compared to the media in Mexico.
There is a mexican 'rag' called ALARMA. (I wondered if it was still being published all these years later, and yep it's still going strong........)
We called it the "crash book" because of the pictures in it.
They had no problem publishing photos of people that had died grisly deaths - Nothing like seeing a person all tangled up in a death pose after an auto accident.
The Media down Mexico Way is nothing like the morons we have here in the US.
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Cue the intro of the "School Shooting Massacre" with the eerie music in the background.
Well, at least we don't shame people into suicide for passing on a prank phone call?
It's always a huge story when it happens here in the States, yet we kinda pass off the story about kids and other innocents getting slaughtered in places we can't find on a map?
The Brits are an amusing bunch, they have the answers but refuse to share them with us.:eek:
Yes...let's not look at the results of gun violence! It might offend the sensibilities of the much-cossetted gun lovers!
We prefer death and carnage pretty? Come back tomorrow night and the person who was shot will be perfectly healed.
Oh please.
The guns were legally registered in his mother's name:
-In CT, you can't possess a handgun under the age of 21.
He was 20.
-You must complete a handgun safety course, give fingerprints and have your background to obtain a firearm in your name.
He didn't. He stole them all from his mom.
His mom, a responsible gun owner, had her guns stolen by a psycho who clearly didn't give a rats a$$ about laws of any kind, let alone small petty ones like that.
I don't understand what you anti-gun people think stricter gun laws or bans are going to do, I really don't. They are called criminals for a reason, I don't get what you think a few laws are going to do. That really makes no sense to me, whatsoever.
What makes you think his mother was a "responsible gun owner?" She had a son with mental illness and three accessible instruments of death ...aka guns. If THAT is responsible gun ownership...god help us all.
Agreed, especially when filled with bias which precludes them from seeing the other side of the discussion.
Gun control is impractical, especially in the US. Guns don't bother me, they are inanimate objects with no will or motivation of their own. It bothers me far more that mental illness is brushed under the rug and ignored. Easier to go after the low hanging fruit than have a serious discussion about solving the real problem. The FBI can set up sting operations which "catch" people in the act of plotting possible terrorist acts, (when in many cases it's questionable whether the person would have gone down that particular road without "help" from the sting op), yet we do nothing about ensuring those who are mentally ill are taken care of. Easier to clean up the mess and ignore it until next time.
We trample all over some people's rights under the aegis of stopping terrorism, but ignore societal issues like mental illness treatment because fixing that particular issue would be too messy. Much like the current budget issues, we prefer to just stick a bandaid on the problem and let someone else come up with a solution at a later date.
I'm willing to bet that someone failed to follow school security protocols, but the AAR won't come for some time. By that time the Media will have moved off the story and gone back to whatever the Kardashians are doing.
Well said and I agree, of course.
A responsible gun owner?? :rolleyes: If she had been, this would not have happened!Quote:
His mom, a responsible gun owner, had her guns stolen by a psycho...
Many argue that having a gun is to protect themselves, but would you really shoot an intruder, or someone who breaks the law out in the street? The police are there for protecting people and I suspect they are highly trained in when and where to use a gun - well, even some policemen have misjudged a situation, so why do you think you can judge better?
School security protocols- my mom told me that the school principal and psychologist tried to head off the shooter and he just shot them and kept going. I know at the schools where my family members teach, there is one entrance to the building that isn't locked after school begins. If anyone needs to get into school during the day you have to go through the front door and be checked in.
A question for those of you who understand this better than I do. What was the intent of the writers of the Bill of Rights when they included the Second Amendment? Was it to allow people to have guns in case they were needed for military service? Was it to allow an individual citizen, not necessarily a militia member, to have a gun? Now we have modern police forces and extremely efficient guns and rifles. They couldn't have seen either of those coming.
And another question. All the news reports have said this is an idyllic suburban community. Why, then, did the shooter's mother have guns in her possession?
I read a column by Mel Robbins in which she argues that taking a look at mental illness needs to be a part of ending these types of shootings. I think she's on to something.