Take a look at this!

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

I posted on Pets BC looking for older labs. I got this email from a Boxer breeder. She is totally against spaying/neutering and vets in general. Give me your thoughts and if you'd like to email her, PM me for the email address.

Hello there,

During the last decade I battled with the CVMA over the official
guidelines which are not being released to the public. By then I had
acquired sufficient veterinary knowledge, even though my profession had
little to do with veterinary medicine, to check every diagnosis reported by
my dog owners on the boxer breed. The policy of the CVMA was and still is
that only the dog owner can successfully report a misdiagnosis. However, for
several years following my complaints, some vets would first ask who the
breeder of the boxer was before examining the dog. This fact resulted in a
temporary improvement which soon wore off.

Regarding pedigrees behind registered dogs, only the dogs in the pedigree
can give you the information on how to raise and maintain any dog correctly.
If you are not interested in the make-up of a dog, you are not interested in
the dog itself, and you will do nothing but neglect the needs of a dog.
Food, water and exercise, and of course cutting it up to suit the fad of the
American society by neutering and spaying do nothing for the dog but provide
it with a poor life. Those dogs are better off dead than be called "family
members".

The SPCA, our official dog and puppy mill, imported illegally anti-purebred
pamphlets from American animal rights organizations and displayed those
pamphlets on their shelves back in the early 90s. This society gathers
questionable dogs and sells second hand dogs for outrageous prices, and is
nothing else but a dog mill business. We do not give a dog to anybody who
donates to this society or has ever purchased a dog from them. The animal
rights policy of "Kill and Extinct" applies to registered animals, and has
been practiced by these groups and organizations for almost 50 years now.
Even though some of the volunteers may believe that they are doing a good
deed, the ultimate goal of the SPCA is that of the animal rights
movement, quote thousands of unwanted dogs and derive a business from
selling them. Back in the 90s, a volunteer of a Vancouver Island SPCA was
breeding repeatedly "roadside abandoned puppies" and supplying the SPCA.
Dog's were and still are being labeled and displayed "on death row" when
potential buyers visit the premises of the SPCA.

The latest business ventures are animal rights breeders of registered pet
dogs. This lucrative business of attracting buyers with "neutering and
spaying contracts" or "we will not crop the puppies ears" is taking off like
a storm. As you mentioned correctly, cropping ears is out but the far more
dangerous operations with considerable damage to the dogs are in. Cropping
the ears, tail or removing the dew claws are exterior cosmetic surgeries,
while spaying is an operation damaging the dog for the convenience of
irresponsible dog owners. Although, I do not remove dew claws, crop the tail
or ears at this time because I adhere to Continental breed standards, all
boxer ears bred from American boxers must be cropped because they were bred
for generations to be cropped and are not suited to be left natural.

All we know about animal cruelty cases is the fact that they are being used
to put the animals of honest dog owners and breeders under the ground. This
has been practiced in Europe for over two decades, and I would not be
surprised that the BCVMA is doing it to vets. It is nothing else but another
attack on the few people residing on this continent who know what a dog is,
and who promote the real dog.

Regards,
CAMANO BOXER

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the official announcements of
BCVMA and CVMA - if you don't know what this stands for, it's time you find
out - at the 2001 World Veterinary Congress held in Vancouver Canada. The
policies were in effect over a decade prior to the congress, but few owners
of registered animals knew about it.

Yes, you are correct, every responsible breeder should be aware of the
tampering with registered animals by irresponsible veterinarians,
technicians etc. Every responsible breeder must check every diagnosis by a
vet before accepting treatment or medication. As you know, because the CVMA
and AVMA adopted animal rights standards, owners of registered animals, not
just dogs, must protect themselves against the ultimate goal of the animal
rights movement, that is "Kill and Extinct"! I took nine cases to the
complaint committee, 9 different vets, all issuing a wrong diagnosis on a
registered dog. Two dogs were destined to die under the knife of the vet, a
third was left to die in the hands of the owner, a slow painful death. My
efforts saved the life of all three dogs which were very healthy in deed
before the vet got hold of them. Another one was killed by a Vancouver
island vet with a simple vaccination. This vet made sure she died painful
and fast before anybody could prove what he had done.

This is were we stand on this continent with YOUR need of veterinary care!
You succeeded in killing many valuable animals and you will continue to do
so. And this is why animal rights activists make a point out of veterinary
care, to pursue the ultimate goal.

Please note, the Canadian Federal Government is aware of the guidelines of
the CVMA, and is aware of what your vets are up to. They are fully aware of
the ongoing tampering and killing of registered animals by vets.

Regards,
CAMANO BOXER

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

Hello Tasha,

Having read your ad and the statement that you are a vet assistant, I am
very much disturbed by what you believe is aggression. As you may know we
have a problem on this continent with veterinarians working under the
guidelines of the CVMA (BCVMA) and AVMA. We have very few honest and
responsible veterinarians left who will treat a registered dog correctly,
estimate no more than a handful in BC.

If you are looking for a puppy or dog, and you have specific requests with
regard to the character of your dog, you need to

1. Choose a breed suitable for your needs.
2. Look at the 62 dogs in the pedigree behind your desired dog or puppy
3. Learn about every single dog of the 62 dogs, talk to the owners, even if
the dogs are long dead. You do not need to talk to the breeders, all you
need is the pedigree.
4. Learn about dominance, aggression etc. before your use these terms.

Only if you know how your dog has been genetically formed, you can satisfy
your needs. There is no such thing as aggression. There is such a thing as a play drive, although this is not the correct expression, but it is based on a number of things, most important on the owners knowledge on how to play with a puppy or adult dog.

We have very few real dogs on this continent, and most Canadians who call
themselves dog lovers have never seen or met a real dog. The extreme
shortage of real dogs appears to be the reason for the present nurturing
program, and the selling of what shelters advertise as dogs.

Regards,
CAMANO BOXER

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

Sorry they are so long, but I needed everyone to see this. :(

*EDIT*

I am adding a link to her puppy contract. Wait until you read this (http://www2.bcinternet.net/~icoulter/puppy6.htm)!

[CathyBogart]

This lady really needs to have her head checked. Nothing I could say to her would be any help, it would all be ranting.

[.sarah]

Wow. That is wrong on so many levels. I'm not an irresponsible dog owner because I spay my dogs. I'll refrain from saying it's healthier because she does not believe that, but I could not keep them out of my sight during a heat because of irresponsible owners who let their dogs run free. Until she can provide proof that spaying is damaging my dogs and all the unneutered dogs are kept caged 24/7 (which I do not want to happen, btw), I will continue to spay my girls.

This is just ... uggh!! :mad:

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

Thanks everyone. Pretty much all of my emails back to her were just rants. She thinks only registered dogs should exist on this planet. I happen to loved mixed breed dogs, you can get two or more dogs in one!

[.sarah]

Thanks everyone. Pretty much all of my emails back to her were just rants. She thinks only registered dogs should exist on this planet. I happen to loved mixed breed dogs, you can get two or more dogs in one!
Yeah, and I hate that she's basically saying that rescuing is worthless. The day all dogs will be registered is the day all mutts (and puppy mill purebreds) are rescued, spayed and neutered, and off the streets. Until that day comes, she can just shove it :D

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

Yeah, and I hate that she's basically saying that rescuing is worthless. The day all dogs will be registered is the day all mutts (and puppy mill purebreds) are rescued, spayed and neutered, and off the streets. Until that day comes, she can just shove it :D

:( Well, so far no more emails - but I guess I am happy about that. It just broke my heart that she is a breeder and only recommends getting shots done. Yeah, I have worked with a horrible vet, but there are far more good ones than bad.

[Alysser]

How stupid can a breeder be? Seriously, rescuing is worthless? What if she was a dog at a rescue? I suppose it wouldn't be worthless then. She really does need her head examined, unless shes agianst human medical care to. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Roxyluvsme13]

Thanks everyone. Pretty much all of my emails back to her were just rants. She thinks only registered dogs should exist on this planet. I happen to loved mixed breed dogs, you can get two or more dogs in one!

:eek: Thats seriously what SHE thinks? OMG... :mad: :mad: :mad:

[ComedyDevil]

And what about THIS bit at the end of her 'puppy contract'?!



A person approaching you and your dog wants to pet (pat) your dog

a. I allow it
b. I pull my dog away
c. I do not allow it, ask the person to keep a distance and mind their own business



According to her, the answer is C

Is this for real?!

What. An. Idiot.

[Roxyluvsme13]

Yeah I noticed that, too. How can the answer be C?!

[.sarah]

Yeah I noticed that, too. How can the answer be C?!
Because she's a moron. lol

[.sarah]

I like how this is a concern to her
5. Do you own other animals? Do you have unregistered dogs or mix breed dogs residing on your property? Have you ever owned a second hand dog? :rolleyes:

Somehow I bet if your answer was yes, she would not sell to you.

I never thought I'd hear someone say rescuing was bad. That is just mind-boggling to me.

[Roxyluvsme13]

I just cant believe her. That's incredibly ridiculous! HOW CAN SHE THINK RESCUING IS BAD?! Has she even seen all the poor little shelter dogs? and Cats? :( :mad:

[Alysser]

I just cant believe her. That's incredibly ridiculous! HOW CAN SHE THINK RESCUING IS BAD?! Has she even seen all the poor little shelter dogs? and Cats? :( :mad:

Because she's stupid. I ALWAYS let people pet Sassy. I mean they always ask so I say yes. It's not her dog anymore once someone buys it so it doesn't matter. I would NEVER buy a dog from her though. The B****.

[Roxyluvsme13]

Because she's stupid. I ALWAYS let people pet Sassy. I mean they always ask so I say yes. It's not her dog anymore once someone buys it so it doesn't matter. I would NEVER buy a dog from her though. The B****.
If people ask, well duh, of course I'll let them pet my dogs. YES SHES a B****. I feel sry for her dogs in a way.

[cali]

oh boy! I better hide all my fake,mutilated, too horrable to touch, unvaccinated second hand dogs! :rolleyes:

[Pembroke_Corgi]

I've never heard of such a thing...I can't really think of anyone who would want to buy a dog from this person.
So, she is against adoption, against spaying and neutering, and against vets- what on earth is her answer to shelter dogs????? :mad: I can't believe this person is BREEDING dogs. And her idea that you only need to know the lineage to know the dog is ridiculous!!

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

Thanks everyone. She has bred Boxers since the 1980's and has sold alot of them. So we have tons of unspayed/unneutered Boxers everywhere. Here is the link to her website.

Camano Boxers (http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~arpege/)

[cali]

And her idea that you only need to know the lineage to know the dog is ridiculous!!

no kidding! by that theory Happy should have zip herding ablility, no brains, a large fluffy coat and be nothing but a bag of behaviour problems. lol Happy is fear aggressive of strange dogs and thats it..oh sorry I forgot, there is "no such thing as aggression" sooo Happy being terrified of other dogs and attacking out of fear is of coarse just unleashed play drive :rolleyes: her sister is aggressive aggressive lol so apperntly her nearly tearing the face off of 3? 4 dogs now? is just her play drive not being kept in check, and her other sister being declaired a dangerous dog and booted out of her town..? that is just play drive to. or another sister biting a flyball judge, she was of coarse just playing :rolleyes:

[CathyBogart]

Happy being terrified of other dogs and attacking out of fear is of coarse just unleashed play drive :rolleyes:

Maybe "there is no such thing as aggression" only applies to REAL dogs - remember, unless you've met the owners of the 62 most recent ancestors they're not REAL. :rolleyes:

[K9karen]

YIKES! :eek:

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

I dont get how she wants me to buy a purebred, registered dog, instead of adopting one from a shelter. I always thought that was the best way to adopt a dog. Most of them are already adults, so their temperment is easily seen. I really believe that she is angry that I wont buy one of her Boxers. I mean, who on earth is going to buy a dog they can't spay/neuter? Okay, lots of people are irrespnsible and dont alter their pets, but I am not irresponsible and wouldn't buy one of her dogs because of this.

I really hope she reads my emails and fully digests the reality here. Dogs are dogs, be it their purebred or mixed, they should all be loved equally.

:)

[pitc9]

Wow.... :eek: :eek:
This chick has a serious mental problem.

[Roxyluvsme13]

Wow.... :eek: :eek:
This chick has a serious mental problem.
Agreed!

[JenBKR]

Whew, what a wacko!! I never knew that I have a 'fake' dog. Scary that this breeder is out there, and that people actually buy dogs from her!

[ramanth]

Sad. :(

Tasha, I think first and foremost you should email that breeder and tell her to stop contacting you. If she persists and continues to try and push her agenda on you or bothers you, then complain to the moderators if you can.

Sadly, you can argue with her till you are blue in the face and she will never see herself as being in the wrong.

It's just not worth the time and aggravation.

*hugs*

[IRescue452]

Reading that almost made me cry. I really am ashamed I was born human when I think about others of the species. Thankfully there's a balance of good people on the other end that make it so I can still keep my own sanity. Thanks guys.
* I really think the kennel clubs should be more involved in controlling psychos like this. You'd think if enough of us wrote to the boxer clubs and kennel clubs she's involved in that they'd stop registering her dogs. But I'm dreaming because kennel clubs just don't care who breeds the purebred dogs. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go give a treat to my rescued dog.

[cane_corso_mom]

Uggghh... :mad: I don't know what to say about this...

[Suki Wingy]

Isn't Camano the name of the Catahoula breeders that was breeding poorly bred puppies? (the dogs we like 8 months when bred) Is this just a coincidence? I think people like this are borderline insane, I put them in the same category as people who throw cats out of windows on Animal Precinct.

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

Sad. :(

Tasha, I think first and foremost you should email that breeder and tell her to stop contacting you. If she persists and continues to try and push her agenda on you or bothers you, then complain to the moderators if you can.

Sadly, you can argue with her till you are blue in the face and she will never see herself as being in the wrong.

It's just not worth the time and aggravation.

*hugs*

Yes, I have stopped emailing her. I expressed my feelings to her and she doesnt care. I hope that one day she realizes that all dogs are living creatures and deserves homes. :D