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lizbud
05-11-2005, 05:30 PM
The press here is talking about this trial as a test of Religion
vs the Law. I think it's a little more than that. What do you think?


May 11, 2005


Doctor: Infant's death was preventable
Witness in parents' trial says newborn girl likely would have lived had they sought care.


By Paul Bird
[email protected]


FRANKLIN, Ind. -- A newborn girl suffering from sepsis probably would have lived had she received medical treatment, a doctor testified Tuesday at the trial of her parents, who told authorities they relied on prayer to try to heal their baby.

Dr. Niceta C. Bradburn, a St. Vincent Hospital neonatologist, a specialist in ill infants, testified in Johnson Superior Court that Rhianna Schmidt could have been saved had she been treated up to four or five hours before her death.

Instead, the baby died when she was 2 days old. Maleta Schmidt, 30, and her husband, Dewayne Schmidt, 36, are charged with reckless homicide in the death of Rhianna on Aug. 19, 2003.

Testimony in their trial began Tuesday. Johnson County deputy prosecutors Daylon Welliver and Matt Solomon called five witnesses before resting their case.

The defense is expected to begin its case today. One or both of the Schmidts could testify.

Carrie Miles, the Schmidts' attorney, asked Bradburn whether lay people would have recognized the baby's sepsis symptoms. "Yes," Bradburn said.

In 17 years, Bradburn estimated she has seen 300 to 400 babies with the bloodstream infection, with 60 percent of them otherwise healthy. "I can't remember the last time a full-term baby died," she said.

Rhianna was born Aug. 17, 2003. An out-of-state relative assisted with the birth.

Johnson County Coroner David Lutz testified that the family told him Rhianna had a difficult birth and immediately developed a respiratory problem.

Lutz and Johnson County sheriff's investigators Sgt. Terry Nichalson and Lt. Mike McElwain testified that the Schmidts told them they had relied on the prayers of the elders of their church, General Assembly and Church of the First Born in Morgantown, to heal their daughter.

The investigators testified Dewayne Schmidt told them the elders were summoned after Rhianna's condition worsened.

Rhianna's respiratory problems recurred about 2 p.m. and 8 or 9 p.m. on Aug. 18.

The Schmidts said Rhianna improved with the prayers, Lutz said. But she died less than four hours later, and police were called.

Nichalson said several people were at the home when he arrived. Absent, he said, was an outpouring of grief. Instead, he saw a calm scene in the bedroom, where Maleta Schmidt was in bed, holding a swaddled, dead child. He has described the scene as "surreal."

None of the officials entered the investigation thinking any crime had been committed. Instead, they testified, they thought the child had died of natural causes.

But Indiana University pathologist Dr. Dean Hawley found the child died of sepsis from bacteria contracted during birth.

In 25 years of performing autopsies, Hawley said, he had seen only one other sepsis death of a baby. That was in 1980. In that case, the mother also died.

Hawley said Rhianna had no physical injuries.

Oggyflute
05-11-2005, 08:01 PM
Quite sad. I believe in everyone's right to follow the religion they choose. I also believe that the laws of a democratic country must be adhered to. I fervently believe in the right for life, so personally I would be in conflict over this particular situation.

Luvin Labs
05-11-2005, 09:48 PM
so sad.

who's to say that baby would follow the parents religion anyway?

so sad when we have qualified medical professionals to take care of us and people who think prayer works are refusing that. who's to say that 'god sent them this doctor to heal the baby'?

UGH

so sad :(

Logan
05-11-2005, 10:00 PM
I must say that I feel that baby should have received medical attention, Liz, especially when learning that she could have been saved had the proper medical attention been given immediately. :( How sad!

cali
05-11-2005, 10:27 PM
its very sad, when my gradma had breat cancer my grandpa refused to let her go to the docter, he insisted on trying to heal her through prayer, after 3 months my grandma said "screw this" and went to the docter, she got kemo and for a few years now has been completly cancer free..no thanks to prayers without medical help :(

DJFyrewolf36
05-11-2005, 11:36 PM
I beleve that God has given us great medical advances so that we can save lives. I think all the progress in medicine is a miricle. I do think though that people should be allowed to believe what they wish, but I don't think the child had to die...

I would be torn about this...

Pit Chick
05-12-2005, 08:57 AM
I'm torn about this also. I'm a Jehova's Witness and we don't believe in accepting blood transfusions which has gotten much criticizm. So I can see the parents' side in this situation, but I don't know what religion would be against getting ANY medical treatment or even holistic remedies. I don't know that I could sit there and let my baby die without trying something to save it's life.

lizbud
05-12-2005, 09:37 AM
Closing arguments were yesterday and the case rests with the
jury today.I just don't understand these people at all.:o The dad
and mom have both used dentists & eye doctors in the past, yet
they followed their own dicision to not give medical help for their baby.She died of septis from untrested infection.

How could they believe one way for themselves and another for
a sick baby? In all the media coverage, the parents are walking around with big smiles like they don't have a care in the world.

Poor child. :(

IRescue452
05-12-2005, 09:54 AM
I don't know why the government care so much about a baby's death (only that they are fighting against religion). Everyday there are infants in poverty that die while the parents are trying to get care for them, the infant mortality rate is much higher in areas with poverty, but the government doesn't lift a finger. I think they are only trying to get their way with religious people and are using the baby to stir up peoples' emotions.

Pit Chick
05-12-2005, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by lizbud
The dad and mom have both used dentists & eye doctors in the past, yet they followed their own dicision to not give medical help for their baby.She died of septis from untrested infection.

How could they believe one way for themselves and another for
a sick baby? In all the media coverage, the parents are walking around with big smiles like they don't have a care in the world.


If that's the case then I'm no longer torn. If refusing medical treatment is against your religion, that's one thing, but you better not step foot into a docotor's office for yourself and then refuse it for your child and try to use religion as a cover. That's just wrong. :mad:

lizbud
05-12-2005, 07:50 PM
The couple were found guilty.


http://www.theindychannel.com/news/4482929/detail.html

Luvin Labs
05-12-2005, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by lizbud
The couple were found guilty.


http://www.theindychannel.com/news/4482929/detail.html

GOOD... so sad she could have survived on something as simple as antibiotics. :mad:

catnapper
05-12-2005, 08:15 PM
I have a little different take on the whole thing. You see, my father is one of those freeks. I can say freeks because I he is my father and I've lived/seen the righteousness within the ranks of the faith healers. This is not something I ordinarily speak of.

My father's whole family is into this religion. Only in Pennsylvania its called Faith Tabernacle. They don't believe in even taking aspirin. I have had cousins nearly die of the measles and the courts have taken those children away from the family because they refused to take their child for life saving vaccines or antibiotics, etc. They believe "its God's will" if someone dies of any illness.

Meanwhile, I have NO idea what type of family medical histories to watch out for. Cancer? No idea. Blood Pressure? No clue. I do know every one of them has diabetes. Imagine knowing you have diabetes... and doing nothing to regulate it! Needless to say, you don't have ong life expectancies in that religion. Thats ok, they start out young popping out those babies. You can't imagine the whole different world of being inside one of those fundamental religions.

I could go on for days on this issue, but I'll cut it short. I think they were guilty. It was God's will their child die and they be found guilty... for God willed human kind to make modern medicine.

LorraineO
05-13-2005, 08:55 AM
I think the parents ought to be shot.

Randi
05-13-2005, 09:11 AM
It's very sad some people are so fanatic, especially in this case! :( I hope this child will get some better parents in her next life - if there is one. ;)

King Spartacus
05-13-2005, 09:23 AM
What a sad story... it is such a shame that that little baby had to die only because it's parents didn't want to seek medical attention... Day in and day out, there are people that would give their lives, if only their child could get to be treated by a doctor...

And yes, I do believe that people should get to pray... they could pray as hard and as long as they wish... but at the SAME TIME seek medical help!

In my eyes... the parents were guilty...

lady_zana
05-15-2005, 02:38 AM
Originally posted by catnapper
It was God's will their child die and they be found guilty... for God willed human kind to make modern medicine.

I was raised Catholic but am now agnostic. I feel much the way you do. I don't like the idea of the government having too much say in private life but in cases such as these, I think social workers should be allowed to step in. The kids are too young to make decisions about accepting/rejecting medicine and every effort should be made to heal them and give them the chance for a long and productive life.

I'm twenty-three and thankfully, healthy. However, if I did have cancer, I'm of an age to decide and understand the effects of my choice if I opt not to have chemotherapy. A child cannot do this and their health should not be left to chance by their parents.

I hope I am making myself understood; I feel like I don't make any senses when I talk sometimes! I also want to say that while I'm not religious, I respect others' religions and their choices in most cases. I just feel in a case like this, social workers and the government may need to have the right to step in to protect the rights and liberaty of the child.

lizbud
05-15-2005, 12:28 PM
Church members told the media that the parents would not
have been shunned for a decision to seek medical help for the baby, but doing so would be seen as a "lack of faith" on their part. So sad that their child died so they could feel more religious.