in heat

[magpiecorners]

It's been ages since I had a female puppy. Can someone please let me know at around what age will a puppy go into her first heat?

Chow
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[Sassy_luvr]

i have a golden retriever and she got in heat when she was about 10 mon. old. i don't know if different breeds have different ages.

[lv4dogs]

The larger the dog the earlier they go into heat, for the most part anyways. You always have the exception to every rule.

Most dogs will go into heat between the ages of 5.5 months all the way up almost a year.

[cali]

depends on the dog lol Misty did not first go into season till right around the same time as her first birthday.

[magpiecorners]

Thanks to all who responded. I think I will try this "own" hole thing. As for discipine, I just take or should I say, pick up the items and tell her "no". Unfortunately I do not see her do this, I just get the after effects. I have looked into obedience, but at this time some say she might be too young. I figured being she is going to be 6mo. this would be a good age..so I'm phoning around.

As for the "heat" question, thanks again to all that responded. As said, it's been a long time since I had a female puppy. Our dogs were either male or spayed prior to getting them.

Much appreciated for your feedback.

[wolfsoul]

Since you have a German shepherd dog MIX, I see no point in letting her have a heat. Please spay her BEFORE her heat. If you let her go through her heat, her chances of cancer are so much greater. She can also get pyometra and die. My German shepherd died of cancer because my dad didn't spay her before her first heat. :(

Besides improving her health, spaying her will make her less aggressive, and more well-behaved. She will not try to run away to find a mate, she will not get pregnant, she will eat less food, etc. Do not let her become a sexually frustrated dog who will take out her frustrations in destructive or aggressive ways. Spay her and she will be so much healthier and happier. :)

[magpiecorners]

Thanks wolfsoul for your reply. I have every intention of spaying her before she goes into heat. We adopted Sadie from the pet store who in turn works with the SPCA and she has to be spayed. I was just wondering, actually hoping, she wouldn't come into heat before she is "schedule" to be spayed. As for the cancer and other disease's....is this "normal" for shepherds? We had a shepherd as kids, but that was it and I don't remember anyone telling us about being sick or worse. Is it mostly with female dogs? We've had dogs all our lives, but Sadie is our newest.

[IRescue452]

I don't think she's too young for training. Autumn went into obedience classes at 4 months and began her at home training at 14 weeks, the day after we got her.

[wolfsoul]

I'm glad you are going to spay her! :) That's a wise and responsible decision. Cancer or pyometra (infection of the uterus) is open to all breeds. :(

Shepherds ARE, however, a very unhealthy breed in general -- subject to hip and elbow dysplasia, skin disorders, cancer, bloat --- pretty much everything. You said before your dog is a GSD mix though, so there's a great chance she will be fine. Shepherds were pretty much ruined by bad breeding after the war, when everyone wanted one. They bred them very carelessly and that's why they often have health and temperment problems today. :( It's difficult to get a healthy specimen of a purebred GSD unless you go to a good, reputable breeder.

Female dogs do have a higher chance of cancer than males from not being altered. Males can get testicular or prostate cancer, but it's not a huge chance whereas the chance with females is alot greater.

[Maja]

So much BS about spaying....You have no idea what you are talking about,or your like GB saying its such a benifit to make sure they cant reprocreate ..hmmm maybe we should start thinking not just dogs......

We dont do it in europe and there is no difference in cancer or longetivity ,we just accept the extra hassle..you seem to be so abverse to any problems so called "loved ones?" Mybe caused
by an overdose of WD flms, like Bambi ,lots of tears and no real commitment.

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by Maja
So much BS about spaying....You have no idea what you are talking about,or your like GB saying its such a benifit to make sure they cant reprocreate ..hmmm maybe we should start thinking not just dogs......

We dont do it in europe and there is no difference in cancer or longetivity ,we just accept the extra hassle..you seem to be so abverse to any problems so called "loved ones?" Mybe caused
by an overdose of WD flms, like Bambi ,lots of tears and no real commitment.
You are obviously very uneducated. And yes, altering IS practiced in Europe. You probably just don't know because you prefer to leave your dogs sexually frustrated. Who is GB??? :rolleyes:

Health Problems due to leaving a dog INTACT.

Mammary cancer: Estrogen is one of the primary causes of canine mammary cancer, the most common malignant tumor in dogs. Animals that are spayed prior to one year of age very rarely develop this malignancy. Spaying a dog before her first heat is the best way to significantly reduce the chance your dog will develop mammary cancer. The risk of malignant mammary tumors in dogs spayed prior to their first heat is 0.05%. It is 8% for dog spayed after one heat, and 26% in dogs spayed after their second heat.

Tumors of the reproductive tract: Tumors can occur in the uterus and ovaries. An OHE would, of course, eliminate any possibility of these occurring.

Uterine infections: Many female dogs have problems with a severe uterine disease called pyometra following their heat cycles. With this disorder, a normal three-ounce uterus can weigh ten to fifteen pounds and be filled solely with pus. Undetected, this condition is always fatal. Its treatment requires either the use of expensive hormonal and IV fluid therapy or an extremely difficult and expensive ovariohysterectomy. A normal spay costs between $100 and $200, while one done to correct a pyometra can easily cost $600 to over $1000, depending on complications. The strain on the kidneys or heart in some of these cases may be fatal or cause life long problems, even after the infected uterus has been removed.

False pregnancy: Some bitches fail to routinely go out of their heat cycles correctly causing a condition we call 'false pregnancy.' In these cases, even though the bitch may not have mated with a male dog, her body believes it is pregnant due to some incorrect hormonal stimulations that it is receiving. The dog may just have some abdominal swelling and/or engorgement of the mammary glands, but in some cases, they will even make nests and snuggle with socks or toys against their bodies. These animals often experience no longterm serious problems, as the behavior disappears when the circulating hormones return to their appropriate levels. In others, we may see mastitis (infection of the mammary glands), metritis (infection of the uterus), or sometimes these cases develop into full-blown pyometras. We recommend spaying dogs that consistently have false pregnancies.

Hair coat problems: In dogs, hair does not grow continuously as in people, but has a definite growing (anagen) and resting (telogen) phase. Estrogen, which is increased during estrus, retards or inhibits the anagen phase, so more hairs are in the telogen phase. These resting hairs are more easily lost because they are less firmly anchored. As a result, the hair coat on many dogs suffers because of estrogen surges that occur with heat cycles or whelping. Their coats appear thin and the underlying skin is exposed in many areas. It can take two to four months for the hair to return to normal. Additionally, there are a small number of female dogs that never develop a normal hair coat because of the cycling hormones. Their coats are consistently thin over the sides of their bodies and these cases are sometimes confused diagnostically with hypothyroid animals. The only treatment for these dogs is an OHE.
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1625&articleid=926

[wolfsoul]

BTW -- I never said I have a problem with dogs "procreating." But a GSD mix should NOT be bred, which is why I gave her the info in the first place. I have no problem with REPUTABLE breeding. I'm getting my pup from a reputable breeder next year. Reputable breeding and showing are the only good reasons to leave your dog intact.

[Maja]

We let them suffer,and take the hassle cause it does make them a lot less dog if you neuter them.Put yourself in that position? Let nature have its way and if you cant constrain it go do something else.

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by Maja
We let them suffer,and take the hassle cause it does make them a lot less dog if you neuter them.Put yourself in that position? Let nature have its way and if you cant constrain it go do something else.
A dog has NO idea that it has been neutered. They act exactly the same. I know several CHAMPION working dogs that have been altered. They still have the aggression and drive needed to work wild hogs, cattle, and tree wild animals. Not to mention hunt bear, cougar, etc. There is alot more suffering when a dog is left intact for no purpose but the owner's own selfishness. If that dog is not meant to be bred or shown, it should be altered. Otherwise it is very frustrated -- it has to deal with hormones that make him/her feel terrible. It has to run away from home, something it knows it will be punished for, because he wants a mate. He feels a strong sense of lonliness and profound sexual frustration. When a dog is neutered, the only difference is no heat cycles, better judgement (where aggression is involved), better obedience (thinking with head instead of you know where), less health problems, less sexual drive and frustration, no marking around the house, less trying for the position of alpha, ETC. It makes life happier for both dog and owner.

You think I'd hate the idea of being "spayed" well I don't. I don't plan to have children, so what is the point? They have proven that people have less health problems as well. My cousin is getting "spayed" as soon as she turns 24 (the legal age).

[Maja]

well i chance to differ cause have no reason to castrate any guy.Sure they wail and complain while the bitches are in heat but so what? Thats life...if I can put up with it im sure they would prefer it to..

your suggestion coud be like this;
When a man is neutered, the only difference is no heat cycles, better judgement (where aggression is involved), better obedience (thinking with head instead of you know where), less health problems, less sexual drive and frustration, no marking around the house, less trying for the position of alpha, ETC. It makes life happier for both man and spouse.
which is much more attrative:;)

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by Maja


your suggestion coud be like this;
When a man is neutered, the only difference is no heat cycles, better judgement (where aggression is involved), better obedience (thinking with head instead of you know where), less health problems, less sexual drive and frustration, no marking around the house, less trying for the position of alpha, ETC. It makes life happier for both man and spouse.
which is much more attrative:;)
LOL :D

[Maja]

couldnt really resist...sorry.......
really mean what i say, leave them alone let them have their lives " if you truly love them" for what they are. "wild animals" that you have a relationship for a short while.

[wolfsoul]

But dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years. :confused: They are no longer wild animals...Most dogs could never survive in the wild. If people own dogs, those dogs are not wild whether they say they are or not. Just my opinion -- I know that none of my dogs could have gotten on without me -- they would have perished in the wild. Not to mention most of my pets have had surgeries of some sort that I would never have done without because I should love them the way they are. I think it's better to love them living than dead, healthy than sick, etc. Better to be safe than sorry, just my two cents!

I now have the horrifying image of a man marking around the house lmao. :p

[K9soul]

They are domesticated animals and not wild, so I do not think you can logically take that approach. Wild animals have ways of controlling their own population. Wolf packs only allow the alpha pair to mate. Dogs do not have the instincts of wolves because they have been domesticated, and if given the chance will breed themselves to death. Humans have the power of reasoning and can take into account the benefits or consequences of having children, whereas dogs will simply breed without pause indiscriminantly if given the chance to "live as a wild animals."

I know the pet overpopulation problem is probably not near as bad in Sweden as it is here, but accidental litters in the U.S. most likely have a tragic and dismal fate awaiting them.

That said, if there were factual information that leaving dogs unaltered gave them a healthier and longer lifespan, I wouldn't alter them and would put up with whatever inconvenience was involved (i.e. keeping them separated during a heat and only taken out on a leash). But that is not the case, the evidence is to the contrary.

[Maja]

Arent you digressing a bit?
you have also been domesticated or?
you could never survive in the wild or?
so why would you castrate yourself or?
"Better to be whole than yuck"

[wolfsoul]

:confused:

[K9soul]

Humans have the power of reasoning and can take into account the benefits or consequences of having children, whereas dogs will simply breed without pause indiscriminantly if given the chance to "live as a wild animals."

That answers your post and I don't see how I was digressing in the least.

This is getting ridiculous though, it appears to me you are just looking for argument. If you aren't and really have these beliefs, I'd just suggest you do some research on this issue. It seems pretty pointless for me to continue responding at this point.

[Maja]

hey are domesticated animals and not wild, so I do not think you can logically take that approach. Wild animals have ways of controlling their own population. Wolf packs only allow the alpha pair to mate. Humans do not have the instincts of wolves because they have been domesticated, and if given the chance will breed themselves to death. "Humans have the power of reasoning and can take into account the benefits or consequences of having children", whereas dogs will simply breed without pause indiscriminantly if given the chance to "live as a wild animals."

I

[Maja]

well lets talk about LA

Humans have the power of reasoning and can take into account the benefits or consequences of having children, whereas dogs will simply breed without pause indiscriminantly if given the chance to "live as a wild animals."

what kinda kids live there?

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by Maja
well lets talk about LA

what kinda kids live there?
What kind of kids live in LA? :confused: As far as I know, children aren't getting pregnant on purpose, let alone for the preservation of the species.

[magpiecorners]

What the heck is going on here? I asked a simple question, so I thought and appreciated all the feedback. I happen to agree with Wolfsoul, animals should be spayed or neutered unless you plan on showing the animal. My puppy would make beautiful puppies, but where I live, there are so many animals that get put down as they are in abundance. I cannot see my Sadie having puppies only to be put down.

Now, this conversation seems to be going to humans. Sorry to say, but where does this fit in with my puppy? Maja you seem to be very argumentive and again I have to agree with wolfsoul, where are you going with this conversation? Personally I cannot understand how we went from my puppy in heat to humans in heat...Well I've said my part, you need to chill Maja for abit and really consider where your conversation or what your conversation is really about....dogs or humans?

[bckrazy]

Magpie, you're totally correct. . Maja seems to enjoy contradicting whatever people are saying and refering to dogs as, basically, wild wolves :rolleyes:

Why spay/neuter, Maja? (1) no suffering or pain is incurred, 99% of the time. my dog was trying to run around and play the second he came home from the vets, he never bled or complained or even paid attention to it. (2) my neutered dog (and other neutered/spayed animals) doesn't pace the fence, try to escape, bark and act like a territorial dork, hump other dogs, hump people, nor is he very very frustrated anymore since he was neutered. (3) when unaltered dogs escape from their owners, which happens all the time, they can procreate within minutes. You say we're lazy, but most of the time escaping dogs cant be prevented (intact dogs especially driven to escape when their hormones are raging). unaltered male dogs can and WILL find stray/wandering/backyard females in heat and breed with them. therefore producing more puppies that die unnecessary deaths. If neutering my dog and putting him and me through that very minor hassle will prevent his offspring (which COULD HAVE been hundreds of pups in his lifetime) from being euthanized needlessly, which has become horribly common in the U.S. without strict screening, then its worth it!!

I also wanted to add some statistics in here for Maja! We just got back from an adoption event. . there were dozens of mixed puppies there waiting for a home (the volunteers also explained that all of the puppies could only go to experienced homes because they were born from uncared for stray/backyard dogs and had zero socialization before being dumped at the shelter)! 70,000 puppies and kittens are born daily in the U.S. . the ratio of pups/kittens to people born is 7 to 1. 10 million dogs and cats are euthanized every year in the 40,000 shelters in America. About 75% of abandoned pets in shelters are euthanzied. This could all be prevented with the simple procedure of spaying/neutering.

[jackie]

Magpie, you're totally correct. . Maja seems to enjoy contradicting whatever people are saying and refering to dogs as, basically, wild wolves


hahahahaha. Thats right on the mark. :D I didn't really get the whole LA metaphor.