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Tonya
04-17-2005, 06:20 PM
I've had signs up at the vet for months. I've been on a waiting list for the no kill shelter for months. Ron and Raven must go. If someone does not take them by Wednesday, I am taking them to the pound which is a kill shelter. If you do not know what I'm talking about, here's an old thread...

http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61872&highlight=rehome+ron+and+raven

You all know how much that I love them and how much I've tried. Not only is Jaden still sick, since I've had the baby, I've became allergic to them. Something in my body changed and I have to load up on Benadryl every night before I lay down with them. Please help me, this is my last effort.

Karen
04-17-2005, 06:29 PM
Have you listed them on http://Petfinder.com? Is there a Pet Talk person who could foster them until they can find a forever home? As a person who deals with allergies on a daily basis, I feel very bad for you, and know this is a gut-wrenching decision for you.

You'll be in my prayers, I'm on the wrong side of the country (not to mention my own massive cat allergies) to help, but I hope a solution can be found.

furrykidsmother
04-17-2005, 06:42 PM
I also wish that I could help, but I too am in New England and nowhere near to you. Please find a shelter or foster home for those babies so that nothing happens to them.

sandragonfly
04-17-2005, 06:53 PM
tonya, I didn't read the old and its whole thread but I see it has been too long and I still wouldn't take them to kill shelter. can you maybe call those shelters (http://www.google.com/local?hl=en&lr=&q=spca&near=Modesto,+CA&sa=X&oi=localr) near you (I'm SURE one of them is NO-kill). I understand you don't want to rehome them but it's better than taking them to killers :eek: :mad: please do it for me...

since I don't really live far away from you, I'd be glad to drop them off for you...

lute
04-17-2005, 06:54 PM
i'm sorry you have to go through this. it must be terrible.:(

i wish i could help, but i can't. i REALLY hope it all works out.

manda_moo87
04-17-2005, 07:00 PM
Oh Tonya I'm so sorry it has come to this. I sure wish I could help you, but I'm much to far away. I hope you can find Ron and Raven wonder homes ASAP so they don't have to go to the shelter... :( Best of luck to you!

NoahsMommy
04-17-2005, 07:06 PM
Tonya,
I wish there was some way I could help, but my life is too crazy right now to be able to do anything.

Is there ANY WAY a rescue organization can foster them for you? I apologize in advance if I missed that in the other thread, I'm on heavy pain meds and my mind wanders for me to be able to read a lot.

Lots of hugs and prayers that a solution is found.

Take care,
Kelly

doolittleky
04-17-2005, 07:07 PM
Tonya, I posted this post on another board I belong to. There is a least one person who lives in California. hopefully she will know someone that can help.
Melissa

Laura's Babies
04-17-2005, 07:11 PM
This is so sad!!

Cataholic
04-17-2005, 07:11 PM
Tonya, I went back and re-read the old thread. What about the porch or other outdoor structure idea? At least until you can find someone to take them. What about the friend of your husband's at work, the one that was going to help with the temporary foster? Your brother? Their baby is older now....just throwing out ideas. What about Kohala?

doolittleky
04-17-2005, 07:13 PM
That is a good idea. You can build an outdoor enclosure for them until you can find a hoe if you don't have another place for them like a garge or something. Anything like that would be better them dropping them at a kill shelter. Then in the meantime you can find them a home.
Melissa

Tonya
04-17-2005, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by Gina's Ark Inc.
tonya, I didn't read the old and its whole thread but I see it has been too long and I still wouldn't take them to kill shelter. can you maybe call those shelters (http://www.google.com/local?hl=en&lr=&q=spca&near=Modesto,+CA&sa=X&oi=localr) near you (I'm SURE one of them is NO-kill). I understand you don't want to rehome them but it's better than taking them to killers :eek: :mad: please do it for me...

since I don't really live far away from you, I'd be glad to drop them off for you...

Thank you. I made my rounds with all of those shelters back in October. (Except the one in Livermore, I'll call them too.) I'm on a waiting list just for a foster home at Pets and Pals. This week, I'm going to recontact all of the no kill shelters and all of the rescues that I'd corresponded with before.

It's sad because there is such an overpopulation of cats. They all basically told me before that they are over their heads with cats. I was told that owner relinquished cats is low on the priority list. They all have tons of abandoned cats to deal with.

I was not very persistant though because I felt so guilty at the time. I'm going to be more persistant on getting my point across that the cats must go this time.

Palomino21
04-17-2005, 07:24 PM
Is there a petsmart near where you live? I found my kitten by an ad placed up on the petsmart bulletin board. Petco has the same thing. I believe it is free too. I would put up signs explaining your situation. Maybe put an ad in the Sunday paper. Or like others have said, Petfinder.com

Best of Luck

Annie

sandragonfly
04-17-2005, 07:33 PM
tonya..I understand, totally. AND I wish you good luck! *paws crossing that one of them will accept the dears before wednesday*

catmandu
04-17-2005, 07:33 PM
We are praying,for Ron,and Raven,that somehow,they can find a Happy Home! I wish,that I wasnt so far away,in Canada.and didnt already have,the 14 Cats,and Scrapette,to rescue.I hope,that Petsmart,can help,you.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/catmandu/catphotos1173.jpg

Prairie Purrs
04-17-2005, 07:39 PM
I hope you reconsider your Wednesday deadline. While I sympathize with your situation, your old thread gave the impression that you weren't getting rid of them after all, and it may have left others who might have considered taking them with the feeling that it wasn't an urgent situation.

If you take them to a kill shelter during kitten season, they'll be killed. Probably right away. If it were me, I couldn't live with that. :( I'd definitely build them an outdoor enclosure rather than taking them to the pound.

catnapper
04-17-2005, 07:40 PM
Tpnya, I am sop sorry to hear this. I know how much it tore you apart the last time. Good luck in rehoming them before they go to a kill shelter

Tonya
04-17-2005, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by CatsinDenver
I hope you reconsider your Wednesday deadline. While I sympathize with your situation, your old thread gave the impression that you weren't getting rid of them after all, and it may have left others who might have considered taking them with the feeling that it wasn't an urgent situation.

If you take them to a kill shelter during kitten season, they'll be killed. Probably right away. If it were me, I couldn't live with that. :( I'd definitely build them an outdoor enclosure rather than taking them to the pound.

I've been pursuing this for months. The thread just drops off there because I haven't been on PT. I've been catching crap from my son's doctors, my parents, my in-laws, etc... for months about what a cruel parent I am. Trust me, I've been trying.

Really, I don't want to sit here and defend myself. An outside enclosure is out of the question. Keep the cats is out of the question. I am not the only one making this decision.

I didn't make this post asking for any solution other then finding a new home for my beloved cats.

Prairie Purrs
04-17-2005, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by Tonya
I didn't make this post asking for any solution other then finding a new home for my beloved cats.

Well, three days seems an unrealistic deadline for accomplishing that. I hope somebody can step in and save them.

sarifish
04-17-2005, 07:53 PM
what about no kill shelters in the next city??? there has to be a way with out killing the innocent cats if i could take them i would but im just too far away please do not let them be killed thats close to letting a family member be killed

Tonya
04-17-2005, 08:05 PM
If I wasn't willing to try all options, the cats would have been gone a long time ago. Believe me, with as judgemental as *some* at PT are, posting here was my last resort. Just because I've announced a 3 day deadline on PT doesn't mean I haven't been working on this for 6 months.

sarifish
04-17-2005, 08:07 PM
we are sorry we dont want to be judgemental we just want the best thing for the kitties and we all are trying to help so sorry if ppl here seem judgemental

Prairie Purrs
04-17-2005, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by Tonya
If I wasn't willing to try all options, the cats would have been gone a long time ago. Believe me, with as judgemental as *some* at PT are, posting here was my last resort. Just because I've announced a 3 day deadline on PT doesn't mean I haven't been working on this for 6 months.

I'm not being judgmental--I'm asking you to be realistic if you expect anyone here to help you. Many people on this board have assisted others in rehoming cats, but it usually takes more than three days to make that happen.

I wish you the best in rehoming them. I'm nowhere nearby and I'm several cats over the legal limit, but if I did live close I'd take them on a foster basis, just to keep them out of a kill shelter.

luvofallhorses
04-17-2005, 08:30 PM
I would love to help but I am nowhere near you...

You are only giving them until Wednesday? :( I am confused I just wish you best of luck rehoming them. I don't think anyone is judging you we are just looking out for the best interest of the cats :)

aly
04-17-2005, 08:38 PM
IS THERE ANYONE who can help get the cats to Texas??????????

I will foster the cats and find them a home together here. I can talk to people at the shelter and at the vet clinic where I work and keep them until an indoor-only, loving, forever home is found. I have tears in my eyes over this because I do not want them to die :( If anyone can offer any suggestions or help to get them here, that would be great.

luvofallhorses
04-17-2005, 08:43 PM
Bumping this up for Tonya to see...Aly bless your soul I really hope someone can get them to you.

Uabassoon
04-17-2005, 08:46 PM
Aly since I'm in Az if a transport is set up I might be able to help.

Prairie Purrs
04-17-2005, 08:53 PM
I'm not on the route, but I'll send someone gas money to get the cats to Aly. I'd chip in on airfare, but I doubt there's enough time to arrange that. :(

Tonya
04-17-2005, 08:59 PM
What city are you in, Aly? I'll look up the distance in mapblast. I have alot of doctor's appointments going on with Jaden right now, but I could probably fit in a two-three day drive.

Tonya
04-17-2005, 09:00 PM
P.S. Money isn't an issue. If someone cannot help because of money, I'll give them gas money, care money, etc...

aly
04-17-2005, 09:01 PM
Thanks guys. I'm really freaking out here. During this kitten season, the kill rates of adult cats are so high :( And since shelters legally have to keep strays for a few days, they generally kill owner surrenders before they even put them in a cage :( :( :( :(

I am horrible driving long distances but I'd be willing to drive all the way to the other side of Texas and a bit further if needed (that'd be like 13 hours one way I think because that looks to be about the halfway point between here and Modesto).

Tonya, would you be willing to arrange a flight or at least extend the deadline so we can figure out a transport? I really would like to help so that the cats don't have to die.

aly
04-17-2005, 09:02 PM
Oh Tonya, I didn't see your post. I'm in Austin. Mapquest said it is 26 hours, but it would probably be a bit less. And I could meet you at the western border of Texas. Or maybe Laura could help a bit on the Arizona leg?

PHEW, looks like we might be able to arrange this.

jazzcat
04-17-2005, 09:07 PM
I'm no where near to be able to help but I'll be a cheerleader for this project!!!

Go Aly!!!! And everyone else who helps!

Sirrahsim
04-17-2005, 09:11 PM
previous reply deleted.
Good luck with arranging a transport!!

Uabassoon
04-17-2005, 09:17 PM
I think I'd be able to drive from Tucson to El Paso, how far is El Paso from you Aly?

dukedogsmom
04-17-2005, 09:20 PM
Aly, I'm glad you're saving them. I wish you all the best. I won't say any more.

Terminalvelocity
04-17-2005, 09:22 PM
Tonya, I just read about this from a cross-post that Doo did. I have a friend in California that might be able to help with the drive issue. I'll contact her right away.

My heart goes out to you. You're doing the right thing, even though it hurts so much. Your son comes first. He always will. I know the furkids seem like our children, but they aren't.

Your flesh and blood come first. You must see to his health. The furbabies will be ok elsewhere. He won't. I know how hard it is to lay there listening to him cough all night long, your heart breaking for him.

Bless you for trying so hard to rehome them. I'm hoping and praying that it will work.

Karel

aly
04-17-2005, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by Uabassoon
I think I'd be able to drive from Tucson to El Paso, how far is El Paso from you Aly?

Total Est. Distance: 612.26 miles

Says it is 9 and a half hours.

If you could do that, it would be so awesome and helpful! It'd also be great to meet you :)

Kfamr
04-17-2005, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by dukedogsmom
Aly, I'm glad you're saving them. I wish you all the best. I won't say any more.

Ditto.

Aly, you're an angel. I really hope this is possible.

Tonya
04-17-2005, 09:31 PM
I sure do love you all! I can get to Tucson in about 9 hours and that'd be ideal since I have family there. We've just spent alot of money on a specialist for Jaden's adhd so if I can save on hotel expenses that'd be awesome. The consultation and testing alone is almost $4000. Anyways, I can leave Friday afternoon and arrive in Az around 1am or if that's a problem, Laura, I can leave Saturday morning. Either way, I'd like to be back in time for Jaden to go to school on Monday. Would that work? I can give you two some money for the trip.

aly
04-17-2005, 09:32 PM
This weekend works for me because I don't have to work on this coming Saturday. I do have to work Friday night, but I could leave Sat morning and be in El Paso on Sat evening.

Tonya
04-17-2005, 09:35 PM
p.s. I know beggers can't be choosers, but if someone wants to help me get the cats from Ca to Az, that'd be great. It's not going to be fun to take a newborn and 7 year old on a long distance drive.

Karen
04-17-2005, 09:35 PM
Very exciting if this can work! Tonya, I know your heart is just in pieces from this whole ordeal, but a foster home with Aly seems to be a fabulous solution.

Um, can we get road trip pictures! We love you allllll!

aly
04-17-2005, 09:38 PM
I just remembered I have to pet-sit this weekend. Let me see if I can still make it though.

Uabassoon
04-17-2005, 09:38 PM
Ok I can pick up the cats when you get in on Friday night, Alexa has a spare bedroom where the cats can stay overnight. Then I can head out to El Paso early saturday morning.

Kfamr
04-17-2005, 09:41 PM
Aly and Laura, you two are saviors. Thank you for saving these kitties. {{HUGS}} to you both. Aly, I wish luck to you in finding them homes. Being around dogs, they're probably be okay to place. (or so i'm assuming and hoping!)

Prairie Purrs
04-17-2005, 09:41 PM
Thank goodness for Aly and Laura!

Tonya
04-17-2005, 09:47 PM
Thank you all so much. I'll sleep much better knowing that they are in your hands, Aly. I know that you take such good care of the animals. It's a shame I haven't been able to find something here. I'll check back online tomorrow.

Tonya
04-17-2005, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by Kfamr
Aly and Laura, you two are saviors. Thank you for saving these kitties. {{HUGS}} to you both. Aly, I wish luck to you in finding them homes. Being around dogs, they're probably be okay to place. (or so i'm assuming and hoping!)

Yeah, dogs don't bother them. And aside from the occasional airplane ears when he cries, they don't seem to mind the baby.

Tonya
04-17-2005, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by Terminalvelocity
Tonya, I just read about this from a cross-post that Doo did. I have a friend in California that might be able to help with the drive issue. I'll contact her right away.

My heart goes out to you. You're doing the right thing, even though it hurts so much. Your son comes first. He always will. I know the furkids seem like our children, but they aren't.

Your flesh and blood come first. You must see to his health. The furbabies will be ok elsewhere. He won't. I know how hard it is to lay there listening to him cough all night long, your heart breaking for him.

Bless you for trying so hard to rehome them. I'm hoping and praying that it will work.

Karel

Thank you very much. Can you see if your friend can help with the california-az stretch at all?

Uabassoon
04-17-2005, 10:42 PM
Aly won't be able to make it this Saturday, so Tonya when you bring me Ron and Raven they will be fostered by me and Alexa for a week. Then on Sunday, May 1st I'll be taking them to El Paso to meet up with Aly.

aly
04-17-2005, 11:02 PM
Alexa and Laura really saved me. I was here about to have a heart attack. The woman I'm petsitting for doesn't trust anyone but me to watch her babies. She has a ton of animals and its not an easy job, or I'd ask my mom or boyfriend to do it. Anyway, thankfully it is all worked out - PHEWWWW! I'm scared about the long drive alone so hopefully it will go smoothly!

Kfamr
04-17-2005, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by aly
I'm scared about the long drive alone so hopefully it will go smoothly!

Do you think Josh or someone else could ride along? I'd hate for you to feel uncomfortable driving alone. If I lived closer i'd tag along!

aly
04-18-2005, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by Kfamr
Do you think Josh or someone else could ride along? I'd hate for you to feel uncomfortable driving alone. If I lived closer i'd tag along!

Aww thanks :) I MIGHT get Josh to, but I think he has a deadline at work that Monday so he may have to be at work all weekend. If he could come, I'd feel TONS better. I'm nervous about finding a hotel alone and stuff too. I'm such a wimp :o I'd come pick you up, but then that drive to Florida would be quite scary, hehehe.

shais_mom
04-18-2005, 12:22 AM
I obviously can't help with the transport but if anyone needs some money for gas or cat food while they are staying the week in AZ let me know...

aly
04-18-2005, 12:26 AM
Tonya, if there are certain things you would like to send with them, I'll make sure they go to their new home (toys, beds, etc). Also, if you could bring their litterbox, that would help. Its not a problem if you can't though. I will probably keep them in my spare bathroom for a few days to settle in before I introduce them to everyone. Are they up to date on shots and everything?

catfamily
04-18-2005, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by Uabassoon
Ok I can pick up the cats when you get in on Friday night, Alexa has a spare bedroom where the cats can stay overnight. Then I can head out to El Paso early saturday morning.
You are so sweet to take these guys for Tonya.I know how upset she must of been.This is the first time I read this thread.I'm not on Pettalk as much lately.I have 14 cats already.I don't know if I could handle more.Maybe,but I'd drather not if possible.I'm glad you can foster them.

Terminalvelocity
04-18-2005, 03:46 AM
Tonya, I had hopes, but unfortunately, I was too late. They left for two weeks Friday.

Hopefully everything will work itself out and your two little ones will live happily ever after..

I hope your son heals quickly.

Karel

Tonya
04-18-2005, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by shais_mom
I obviously can't help with the transport but if anyone needs some money for gas or cat food while they are staying the week in AZ let me know...

Thank you for your offer. That is very nice of you. I think we'll be ok. My problem was finding someone to take them much more then monetary.

Tubby & Peanut's Mom
04-18-2005, 10:01 AM
Wow, PT in action again. It's enough to make me teary eyed. :)

Thank you sooo much Aly and Laura, you are both saviors and I'm so glad everything is falling into place for these two. :)

luvofallhorses
04-18-2005, 10:07 AM
You both are angels! :) I hope everything works out. :D

Tonya
04-18-2005, 10:45 AM
I just got an email. I don't know which rescue group it is. I'd updated their fliers with the April deadline at the beginning of March and I've also emailed alot of people. But anyways, I just got this. I hope it pans out because it would be less traumatic if they didn't have to travel.

Hi Tonya,

I am sure that we can help. I have to talk with the Supervisor at the Shelter to get them into the "system" and hopefully we can do it without you having to take them to the shelter. I do need to know if they are spayed and neutered. I will also need copies of all vet records that you have so that we do not revaccinate them if they are current.

Give me a day or two to talk with the people I need to and I will let you know what we can do

Mad Mags Moo
04-18-2005, 11:22 AM
Wow what a great thing to do...sorry i am in the wrong country but I will be rooting for you:D

jenluckenbach
04-18-2005, 01:20 PM
Looks like the cats may have more than one option. I am glad as it is sad to need to rehome your pets.

sandragonfly
04-18-2005, 02:42 PM
I just saw this!! great news for the day!! this is definitely better than shelters I gave you, tonya.. :) maybe you should take a lot more pictures before they go...? again, keep up the good luck -

luckies4me
04-18-2005, 05:48 PM
That is awesome. I am so glad you two came through for Tonya. Good luck!

micki76
04-18-2005, 08:53 PM
Aly & Laura,

If I can help transport in any way just give me a shout. Aly just call me if you need anything. I can meet you somewhere, leave my car, and ride along with you if Josh can't go. :) You WILL NOT be allowed to drive alone, young lady! :D

Cincy'sMom
04-18-2005, 09:11 PM
Looks like there may be at least two good options for the cats to avoid the kill shelter. Which ever works out, it is great to see PTers once again coming together for the sake of the animals.

NoahsMommy
04-18-2005, 09:14 PM
A HUGE thank you to Aly, Micki and Laura! Its so great you all could help. :)

Goodluck on whatever journey is chosen Ron and Raven. You'll always be a special part of PT.

catcrazylady
04-19-2005, 06:25 AM
I read this when Tonya first posted and I just cried. I could do nothing to help, but true to form the wonderful PTers have come through again!:D
Prayers are on the way for Ron and Raven that everything works out the best for them. Thank goodness they are not going to a kill shelter! That thought broke my heart.

Keep us posted everybody and let us know what the plans are.

QueenScoopalot
04-19-2005, 06:55 AM
Wow! I just got done reading this thread, and once again am overwhelmed at the power of Pet talk! Tonya, I hope the shelter that contacted you knows the urgency of the situation, and doesn't leave you (and Laura & Aly) hanging just as plans seem to be working out well. Long distance driving scares the daylights out of me as well, and it would be nice if there were a few extra drivers to shorten the journey, should Ron & Raven be going that route. ;) I'm glad they won't end up in a kill shelter as they'd be killed first. So many kittens, and so few good homes. I'm way out on the East Coast, so of no use as far as transportation goes, but am saying some prayers that everything goes smoothly for all involved. :) PTers are the best! :D ;)

Tubby & Peanut's Mom
04-19-2005, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by micki76
Aly & Laura,

If I can help transport in any way just give me a shout. Aly just call me if you need anything. I can meet you somewhere, leave my car, and ride along with you if Josh can't go. :) You WILL NOT be allowed to drive alone, young lady! :D

What a wonderful offer. I know having the shelter come through would be the easiest solution for everyone involved, but now that we've got so many people willing to help, I almost hope the transport takes place so the rest of us can cheer you all on. ;) But like I say, the shelter would save a lot of wear and tear on a lot of people, so hopefully they will come through, and not leave everyone hanging like QSA says.

aly
04-19-2005, 10:36 AM
Tonya had a family emergency so I'm not sure when we'll hear more. I'm not quite sure if she'll be taking them to that shelter or not, but I'm still prepared to take them in for as long as needed. I actually cancelled on a foster dog I was supposed to pick up this week just in case I do get them (don't worry about the pup, he's in another foster home). If she ends up placing them in the no-kill, I might go to my city shelter and rescue a cat or two in Ron and Raven's honor. I'll wait until I know for sure what is happening though.

Thanks so much everyone for your prayers. And thank you SO much Micki for your offer. I just might take you up on that. That'd be a fun road trip with you and we could both meet Laura!

Tonya
04-20-2005, 09:16 AM
Thanks, Aly.

My father in law commited suicide on Monday. I will still need to rehome Ron and Raven, but now is not the time. We are to tore up with this loss right now.

We'll talk about the cats later.

-Tonya

kimlovescats
04-20-2005, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by Tonya
Thanks, Aly.

My father in law commited suicide on Monday. I will still need to rehome Ron and Raven, but now is not the time. We are to tore up with this loss right now.

We'll talk about the cats later.

-Tonya

:( :( :( Oh Tonya, honey, I am so very sorry! Prayers and thoughts with you and your family. :( :( :(

Kim

catfamily
04-20-2005, 09:30 AM
I am so very sorry for you and your family's loss.too sad for words.:(

smokey the elder
04-20-2005, 09:47 AM
I'm so sorry!

sirrahbed
04-20-2005, 09:50 AM
:( ((((((TONYA))))) What a sad and anxious time for you!! You are pulled in all directions. Prayers offered just now for you, your family and husband's family and for the folks here who are standing ready to help.

more ((((((HUGS)))))))

Craftlady
04-20-2005, 10:20 AM
My sympathys to you and your family.

Laura's Babies
04-20-2005, 11:21 AM
Oh Tonya! ((((HUGS)))) for you and family. My step Dad committed suicide and I know how hard that is on the ones they leave behind. The guilt you are left with is so heavy. Just remember this, if that is what he wanted to do, nothing anyone could have done would have stopped him. I intervened with my step Dad and got him help but he STILL did it 6 weeks later. It is NO ONES fault and there was NOTHING anyone could have done to prevent this!

They are ill when they do this and I believe God does not hold it against them and they are let into heaven dispite this last mistake.

jazzcat
04-20-2005, 11:28 AM
Tonya, I'm very sorry.

shais_mom
04-20-2005, 11:50 AM
how terrible.
please accept my thoughts and prayers.

Tonya
04-20-2005, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Laura's Babies
Oh Tonya! ((((HUGS)))) for you and family. My step Dad committed suicide and I know how hard that is on the ones they leave behind. The guilt you are left with is so heavy. Just remember this, if that is what he wanted to do, nothing anyone could have done would have stopped him. I intervened with my step Dad and got him help but he STILL did it 6 weeks later. It is NO ONES fault and there was NOTHING anyone could have done to prevent this!

They are ill when they do this and I believe God does not hold it against them and they are let into heaven dispite this last mistake.

Thank you. My father also commited suicide. The exact same circumstances and exact same way except it was 26 years ago this Mother's day. I believe that God doesn't hold it against them also.

Does anyone have any scripture that supports this or any thing that could help my husband and his family? I've read some helpful verses before but my mind is to blank to find them.

sandragonfly
04-20-2005, 02:04 PM
:eek: I'm so sorry... :( *speechless*

Kfamr
04-25-2005, 01:57 PM
Any news on the kitties?

cruisetime
04-25-2005, 03:19 PM
jUST CURIOUS - HAVE YOU TRIED A REAL GOOD FOOD TO FEED LIKE nUTRO nATURAL BRAND AT pETCO? I'm allergic too but not when I feed them this food. Just an idea - so sorry for everything - I'm in Texas Debbie

Laura's Babies
04-25-2005, 03:46 PM
I don't know of anything in the bible that says anything about God's forgiveness for taking ones own life.. I just know He is a God of Love and Forgiveness and he can not hold this act against someone who is not in their right mind or has a mind that is sick.

People in their right minds would consider all the aspects of what they are thinking and would NOT do this.

catfamily
04-25-2005, 05:06 PM
Some people get so very overwhelmed with life's sadness that the depression is unbearable.Usually not enough to take their own life but it is so sad that he was so sad to do this.I'm so sorry again.This is so sad.

carole
04-25-2005, 06:14 PM
Tonya all I can do is send you my love, Hugs and understanding, I too have had a suicide in my family, and no matter the circumstances it can be unbearable for those left behind, you are in my thoughts sweetie, wishing all goes well for the kitties rescue , take care of yourself.

luvofallhorses
04-25-2005, 06:18 PM
Tonya,

I am so sorry. Know that you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers(((((((tonya))))))))))

krazyaboutkatz
04-26-2005, 12:00 AM
Tonya, I'm so sorry to hear this.:( My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. Please take care. {{{HUGS}}}

cruisetime
04-27-2005, 12:27 PM
Tonya,

I'm sorry earlier I didn't read the whole thread through - so very sorry about your loss.... Prayers are going out for you and your family including the kitties.

Debbie

Kfamr
05-08-2005, 07:52 PM
Sorry to bump this up but i'm just curious if anythings been done to save these kitties yet?? :confused:

Corinna
05-08-2005, 08:15 PM
Hugs and Prayers to you and your family.

carole
05-15-2005, 03:54 PM
yes I am curious too, how is Tonya doing? and the kitties, hope we hear something soon.

Karen
05-15-2005, 04:05 PM
We did hear from Tonya just yesterday, including an update on the kitties. See here (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79224) for the thread I mean.