What do you think? (opinions please)

[Kfamr]

I've wanted a cat for a long time now, a few years ever since my brother got his cat, Orion. I've been dying for one.

Now.. My dad was probably just kidding around, but possibly not. We were at the Humane Society the other day, talking to the cats and petting them through the fence. I mentioned how badly I wanted a cat to him. He said "We should just build a cage like this outside" (The cats at our shelter have HUGE cages, with beds, perches, scratching posts etc)

We could build something like that if/when we tear down our garden... Install some sort of fan, like they have at the humane society. Now, I wouldn't want it to be out there 24/7, I'd bring it inside at night possibly, and during the day at times... and when it storms.

The reason I can't have a cat inside 24/7 is because my dog Simba does not get along with them. He's fine if i'm sitting there telling him to be nice. Possibly if we did get a cat he'd grow to get along with it. My other dog, Nala, is perfectly fine with cats.



What do you think of a cat living in something like that at our home? Do you think it would be okay?

The only reason i'm asking this is because i'm unsure of it, and would just like opinions.

[carole]

Kay to be honest I can understand how much you want a cat, I mean who wouldn't? but I am in two minds as to whether it would be a fair life for the cat, I know living in a shelter is not the greatest, and you would give it so much love,but it just does not seem the ideal situation to me, I mean yes it could work out ok,but keep in mind cats are very social animals, and love company, apart from the odd exception., and I can imagine you would love your kitty snuggled up on your bed at night, don't you think?

Even though you have asked for opinions, I know you , yourself will know what is the best thing to do. good luck with your decision , should your dad give you the go ahead.:)

[Kfamr]

Oh, trust me. the Kitty would get lots and lots of attention and company.
It could even possibly sleep with me at night, and Simba could sleep with my parents.


I've thought of borrowing Caeleigh & Orion for a while to introduce them to Simba. :p


Here's one of the pictures of Simba being nice to Orion, last year.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid51/p023dddaab3fa3333c04581ca1c1f8ce4/fca1603d.jpg

[Ally Cat's Mommy]

Maybe you should get some advice from Noah's Mommy - one of her cats is in an enclosure.

I suppose it would depend on the amount of time you would spend with the cat, and how big the enclosure would be. Maybe you could look at adopting a PAIR of cats, so they would have each other for company. Are you thinking about adopting an adult cat? I can't help but think that an older cat would be better suited to an enclosure than a kitten who needs to be socialised, litter-box trained etc. Sometimes shelters get multiple adult cats from the same house, so at least they get on together.

It's similar to the dilemma I recently had re the dog - outside vs shelter! Unfortunatly my $%^*&* Landlord would not give me permission to erect a fence:(

Good luck with whatever decision you make!

[Kfamr]

Yes, it'd probably be an adult cat. Some of the cats at the shelter are there for a LONG time, so alot of them have lived in the same sort of set up for a while.

LOL, I'd love to take my brother's cats. I love those guys and i've really never liked cats as much as I do those two. They LOVE being outside in my brothers screened in porch too. They'd stay put there if he allowed them.

The fenced in area in these pictures would be where the enclosure would be... if anything.
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/nalasimmy/y4.jpg
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/nalasimmy/y5.jpg

[Ally Cat's Mommy]

WOW that's a BIG AREA!! It would make a great cat-run!

[catcrazylady]

I don't think it's a bad idea. I think anything is better than shelter life especially when they will have inside time and lots of love. I do agree with Julie and think that two would be better than one so they would never be lonely. I do know a few of the shelter cats go crazy alone. They have spent so much time in the company of other cats.
It would really be great if you could eventually trust the cat and dog together but at least you would have a place to keep it safe until you were sure of how that would work out.
Do your winters get very cold?

[PayItForward]

I don't like the idea of leaving cats in a cage for the rest of their natural life. :(

The shelter might be worse but at least they have a chance of being adopted to a proper inside home.

It is not the same as Kellys situation, she didn't want to put Livvy outside and she won't be leaving Livvy outside in a cage for the next fifteen years. Kelly will eventually either bring Livvy inside again or adopt her to a new inside home.

Outside in a cage is not living it is imprisionment, fine for a temporary period but it is not humane as a lifetime accommodation.

Even prisioners get parol after 10 years. :(

Please think of the cats quality of life, wait until you are on your own to get a cat or two.

[sirrahbed]

Kay - I noticed you have been here in Cat General allot lately!:D How about borrowing Caeleigh and/or Orion more and more often to really get Simba used to them and going from there? I suspect there IS a kitty or two in your future:D The idea of the kitty run is great! But best if it could be an indoor/outdoor situation and not just outdoor. I bet you could get Simba to learn to tolerate a kitty! You are good with animals and I really think you could train Simba to get along with a kitty sibling - do you think?? Besides, there is nothing like having a kitty to snuggle in bed and relaxing on the couch indoors!!

Basically, I really don't think being an enclosure cat exclusively is a good idea - unless it is necessary for a cat you already have. For example - Kelly's Livvy who has her own apartment and is the envy of her siblings!!

These are just my opinions!! OK?

[catnapper]

I think dogs can come to love their cat counterpart. When Sammie was alive, she HATED cats and other small animals. When we brought Allen home, she licked her chops and was ready for a nice big dinner! :eek: We did the introductions v-e-r-y slowly and in no time they were best buds! After Sammie died, Allen went into a kitty depression :( Thankfully we got Pouncer and Allen is happy again. :)

Nicki doesn't exactly LIKE the cats, but she's never ever shown any aggression towards them and as time goes by, I have seen her try to be affectionate towards Pouncer. Never Allen since he likes to tease her! :D

I also think Simba cold learn to be nice to the cat since he has gone along with everything else you've done to him - oh, I'm thinking clothes and phtos shoots :D :D :D Also you can do a lot of talking to him. I'm serious!!! When we brought Allen home I had lots of long conversations with Sammy about how important it was for her to love the new cat and be nice to him. I swear she understood every word I said!

[CatMama78]

I think you're an excellent mommie to Simba and Nala and would make a great mom to a cat, BUT for now I think I have to agree wit PIF in that a permanant outdoor enclosure is not the best idea. I think it might be a little unfair to keep the cat outside because Simba does not like cats. It's an unfair and preventable stress on Simba, the cat and you. Again, just my opinion.

Not to say that something could not be arranged, espescially when you are such a commited pet parent. On the flip side I think getting Simba used to Orion and Caleigh first is an excellent idea before you commit to a new cat. Simba can more than likely grow to love or at least tolerate a new cat where you wouldn't have to keep him or her outside.

An outdoor enclosure is a great idea if you could proide one, but I think it should be used for play time, and outside time, not as the cat's home. Maybe at first it can be the cat's home, until Simba can tolerate the cat, but definitely not for the long term. I think it would take a lot of commitment and patient to integrate the situation so everyone can live inside, but I'm sure you're the kind of person who could make that happen.

Good Luck and keep us posted.

[Corinna]

I think that of any one here you would have the best chances (just as a dog owner going cat crazy) of making it a successful project. You have thebest training skills . The outside run sounds great as opposed running loose. I know you'd only use it as an exersize pen for them to be safe. Good luck on working on Dad for a kitty.

[kuhio98]

Well, I just don't it's a great idea. If Simba doesn't care for kitties, I think you're just asking for trouble.

Humans tend to be forgetful some times. Cats tend to be curious all the time. With that combination and knowing that Simba has some kitty issues, I think it's a deadly combination. The enclosure door will probably be left ajar at some point (things happen). Kitty will be curious and so will Simba and it wouldn't be a good outcome for kitty.

Kitty deserves a home where it doesn't have to be afraid for its life. Simba deserves a home where the kitty hunting instinct doesn't cause trouble.

[CalicoLuver]

I'd hate to be stuck in a cage my whole life! If Simba doesn't like cats and you don't think that it will work out for you to bring him in then just get a cat and let it be outdoor only. That's the good life right there. Cats are meant to be outside and they can take great care of themselves(if they still have their claws). If you choose to adopt an adult cat(which may be best)then I suggest getting a cat that has been outside most of it's life so it doesn't go into shock. Perhaps and neutered tom that would have no interest being inside at all?
Please don't go along w/this idea of keeping a kitty in a cage. I hate it that they do it at the shelter even though it's only momentairily. I respect the shelters that take the time and money to have a catroom built so the kitties can wander freely.
My cats all stay outside(except for one but only because she has babies)and they show now interest in being in. I suggest getting atleast two because they tend to stick around better.
Good luck;)

[trayi52]

Kay, I think it sounds like a wonderful plan. I know how dedicated to caring for you pets you are. I think that kitty would have the best home ever, and all the love it could stand! And be one lucky kitty to have you.

I know how you done when you first got Simba, there is no doubt in my mind that the cat would get the best home with you with lots of love and care. I say go for it!

Looks like you have this pretty well planned out, and a very good spot picked out for it. Yes, I think you would make a fantastic cat mommy!!

Wow, the plan you have for the cat run, sound so great, and would be a cat's disney land!

Willie:)

[moosmom]

KayAnn,

With all due respect, after meeting and TRYING to socialize with Simba at the Findlay Park gathering, I don't think it's a good idea. Simba growled and showed his teeth to me when I offered my hand for him to sniff. I can only imagine what he'd do with a cat. Don't forget that Simba spent MOST of his time in the time-out cage because of his attitude.

PIF is correct in that it's not the same situation as Kelly's. Liv has a peeing problem, and rather than give her up, she made the best decision in her case.

I don't think it's fair to adopt a cat and keep it in a cat run simply because YOU want a cat.

You asked for opinions, and that's mine.

[Kfamr]

First, I'd like to thank everyone for their responses. I'm very surprised I got this many on the cat side. :p

Secondly...
The cat WOULDN'T be in the cage the whole time. I would allow it to come in at times during the day, and I would allow it to come in during storms (mind you, we live in Florida and have alot of those!) We also have a guest bedroom, that has a bed with LOTS of sunlight that i'm sure the kitty would love.

No, Florida "winters" aren't cold at all. If I thought it'd be too cold, I'd bring it inside. I wouldn't have it any other way. And trust me, i'm the voice when it comes to the animals in this household and if I don't think something is right, something WILL change, even if i'm only 16...I don't deal with that "she's only a child" B.S. ;)

About me forgetting to close the gate or something, I doubt it's going to happen. :p I check the back gate everytime before I let the dogs out. Besides, when I do let the dogs out, they sit at the door until I tell them that it's okay to go. Also, i'm ALWAYS the one closing the gate at the Humane Society that seperates the dog area from the cat area. People are always carelessly keeping it open, even the volunteers.

I'd never want to own an "outside only cat" The only reason I want to have a cage to keep it in part of the day is because I'd rather not have to see one day that someone's carelessly run it over.


Well, my brother is supposed to be going to Arizona sometime soon, not sure when, but soon. It is possible that I could be cat sitting for him. :)


Originally posted by moosmom
KayAnn,

With all due respect, after meeting and TRYING to socialize with Simba at the Findlay Park gathering, I don't think it's a good idea. Simba growled and showed his teeth to me when I offered my hand for him to sniff. I can only imagine what he'd do with a cat. Don't forget that Simba spent MOST of his time in the time-out cage because of his attitude.



You really don't understand Simba. He is ALOT different at home. ALOT. He had also gone to the same dog park, the previous two days, and done perfectly fine. He had met new (and people he saw last year) and was perfectly fine. He also was not home, had to sleep in a camper, and we walked around the day before the meeting. He was tired and cranky and just wanted his own bed. :p Kinda like his mommy. :p

Too many dogs and so many people is overwhelming for him. He likes a small crowd or no one at all. He's fine when we have visitors in the house now, when years ago he'd react the same as he did at the meeting.

Also, if you hadn't noticed, I can get Simba to do almost anything. I can place a lizard on Simba's nose (which years and years ago he would had chased and aten it) without him causing any harm to it. Years ago Simba would have also gone after ANY dog. He now allows Duke, Nala, Honey and many other canine visitors into our home.


I think he will learn to love a cat too.


Again, thanks everyone for the responses. :)

[Kfamr]

Nala wants a kitty to cuddle. :p
http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/nalasimmy/caenal.JPG

[Logan]

I would NEVER question your devotion to any pet, Kay. So if you think a cat would fit into your lifestyle, and your parents agree, I say "that's one lucky cat" to live with you!!!! :D :D :D Cats are mysterious and wonderful, and great additions to our households!!!! One, added to yours, would be terrific!!!! :)

[ramanth]

Forget the necklaces....can I have Nala and the calico please? ;) :D

(I can't believe I forgot the calico's name! :eek: Caligh..or something like that...ahhh)

[Kfamr]

Thanks Logan. :)


LOL.. if anyone gets Caeleigh it's me! :p
That girl is so sweet.. she purrs 24/7, NON-STOP.
I've never met another kitty who purrs as much as her lol

[trayi52]

I would like to remind eveybody here, that when Kay first got Simba, he wasn't allowed on the bed. Kay slept with him on the floor with Simba, because he was not allowed to sleep with her on the bed.

I think Kay would only do the right thing here. Don't anybody see a pattern here. I see Simba and Nala sleeping on her bed, and other furniture in the house. There is no doubt in my mine, that Kay will take very good care of a kitten, or grown cat.

If I died today, I would will Grover to her, thats how much I know that I could depend on Grover having the best home!

Willie:)

[Kfamr]

Thanks Willie! Can I have Dana too? :p :D :p

[trayi52]

If I die, I'll send the whole bunch to you! Well, I'll have somebody do it, cause I'll kind of be busy being dead.;)

[PayItForward]

Originally posted by trayi52
I would like to remind eveybody here, that when Kay first got Simba, he wasn't allowed on the bed. Kay slept with him on the floor with Simba, because he was not allowed to sleep with her on the bed.

I think Kay would only do the right thing here. Don't anybody see a pattern here. I see Simba and Nala sleeping on her bed, and other furniture in the house. There is no doubt in my mine, that Kay will take very good care of a kitten, or grown cat.

If I died today, I would will Grover to her, thats how much I know that I could depend on Grover having the best home!

Willie:)

Unless Kay intends to sleep & eat and spend all her leisure time in the cage with the cat, it doesn't make a difference. :(

Kay WILL make a great cat mum in 2 or 3 years when she has her own flat/house and the space for an inside cat or two !!!

Getting a cat now would just be for very selfish reasons and not taking a cat social needs into account.

[carole]

Willie I don't think there is one person here who would question the devoted love and caring kay would offer a kitty.

I think the main concerns are living in the outdoor cage, although it sure sounds to me like kitty would be gradually spending more and more time inside, so this arrangement could well work.

I have a few concerns too Kay about the gate being left open, not by you but maybe someone else, and whether or not your dog can socialise with a cat and grow to love it, only time would tell, and as I said before if you feel its right and Dad say's yes, then why the heck not, any kitty will blessed to be owned by you.:) Two things I have learn't about Kay, is she is totally responsible and committed to her pets. 100 per cent.

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by PayItForward
Unless Kay intends to sleep & eat and spend all her leisure time in the cage with the cat, it doesn't make a difference. :(

Kay WILL make a great cat mum in 2 or 3 years when she has her own flat/house and the space for an inside cat or two !!!

Getting a cat now would just be for very selfish reasons and not taking a cat social needs into account.


I appreciate your opinion, but i just don't understand it.

And I guess you don't understand that the cat would get just as much love and attention as an inside cat would.

And it's not necessarily going to be a "cage". The area where the enclosure would go up, is like the size of the rooms in this house.


I don't understand how it would be selfish. I wouldn't get an animal "just because". I'd get it to love, and to care for, and to give it a better home than it has at the shelter.

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by trayi52
If I die, I'll send the whole bunch to you! Well, I'll have somebody do it, cause I'll kind of be busy being dead.;)

And to hope that never happens though!!
Just make sure they write my address down correctly. :p

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by carole
Willie I don't think there is one person here who would question the devoted love and caring kay would offer a kitty.

I think the main concerns are living in the outdoor cage, although it sure sounds to me like kitty would be gradually spending more and more time inside, so this arrangement could well work.

I have a few concerns too Kay about the gate being left open, not by you but maybe someone else, and whether or not your dog can socialise with a cat and grow to love it, only time would tell, and as I said before if you feel its right and Dad say's yes, then why the heck not, any kitty will blessed to be owned by you.:) Two things I have learn't about Kay, is she is totally responsible and committed to her pets. 100 per cent.

Thanks. :)

The only other people who live here are my mom and dad... I'm almost 100% sure that they'd never put a life of an animal at risk. They don't even leave our garden door unlocked or open.

And like I said before, the dogs wait at the door, and when it is opened they wait until they are told to go out... no matter if there's a squirelle or not in the yard.


And who knows, if I do cat-sit Caeleigh and Orion, Simba may learn to get along with kitties from them.

[trayi52]

Sorry, but nobody has convinced me yet. I see a dog that started out not allowed on the beds, and furniture. I think that the same thing would evenually go with a kitten, or grown cat. I think with all my heart and soul Kay would do a good job and take care of it, and protect it with her own life.

Willie

[Tubby & Peanut's Mom]

Kay, I think you have a wonderful idea about building the catrun and getting a kitty. The only thing I would offer is that I agree with getting two to make sure kitty isn't lonely when you're not able to be there.

I don't understand why PIF is so adamant against this either. The way I see it is your kitty/kitties would have the best of both worlds. They'd be inside, loved and adored, AND they'd be able to go outside in a safe, secure environment. I know Tubby really loves to go outside and he would just be in kitty heaven if I was able to build a catrun the size of the one you're thinking about building. He'd never want to come in. ;)

I do have some concerns about Simba, but she is bigger than the kitty would be, so you could maybe somehow build a second "safety trap." Like a second door that has a hole that is only kitty size that he/she could run through, but Simba wouldn't be able to get through. That way kitty would always have an escape route if somebody accidentally left the main gate open.

I think living with you inside and outside would be a dream world for a kitty. Soooo much better than life at a shelter.

Good luck and remember to take lots and lots and lots of pics when kitty finally comes home! :D

[Kfamr]

Thanks Debbie.


Although, this is just a thought and dreams, and of course nothing that's going to be for sure.


One thing though, I could get a kitty that does not enjoy the company of other cats, therfore it wouldn't matter if he/she had another kitty companion.

Here's a sweety named Lilly at our shelter. She's 1 year old and does not like other kitties.

http://www.petfinder.com/fotos/FL185/FL185.2893698-1-x.jpg

[ChrisH]

Couldn't say it better, so ...

Originally posted by Logan
I would NEVER question your devotion to any pet, Kay. So if you think a cat would fit into your lifestyle, and your parents agree, I say "that's one lucky cat" to live with you!!!! :D :D :D Cats are mysterious and wonderful, and great additions to our households!!!! One, added to yours, would be terrific!!!! :)

As you may, or may not, know, Ebby is my first cat so I can't say I have a lot of experience of cats in general. One thing we do have in common though is that Bobby isn't too keen on cats either, or rather he is ok if they don't run, but once they do, hey, game on! So I have to keep them apart as best I can. I wish I could have an enclosure for Ebbs similar to the one you described. Sunny & fine days spent in there, come inside at night, and other times as she wished, she would love it! :)

Chris

p.s. I am glad you are thinking of an older cat, I think a kitten would be too much for Sims to take. At least that was my reason - substitute Bob for Simba - in getting Ebbs instead of my first choice of a kitten, well, two actually.
:D

[PayItForward]

Originally posted by Kfamr
I appreciate your opinion, but i just don't understand it.

And I guess you don't understand that the cat would get just as much love and attention as an inside cat would.

And it's not necessarily going to be a "cage". The area where the enclosure would go up, is like the size of the rooms in this house.


I don't understand how it would be selfish. I wouldn't get an animal "just because". I'd get it to love, and to care for, and to give it a better home than it has at the shelter.

You'll have to go outside your house and have to make specific time to play with your cat. Fair enough if you do it every day rain or shine.

So whilst you are at school, with friends, doing homework, eating meals, talking on the phone, playing with your dog, doing chores.

Your cat will be sat outside bored. :(

A real inside pet would be able to see you all the time you are at home and would still need specific play times but cats enjoy being with their owners and if you cage a cat in the backgarden they'll not bond with you.

Placing a cat in an outside run for 20 years is cruel in my opinion.

There is no benefit to a cat to move from a shelter cage, to one in a garden. :(

What about spending the two hours a day you would have to spend with your cat in the garden and spend that time helping out at your local shelter. In that way it would be just like having your own cat, until you have the space for an inside cat !!!

PS. If you go ahead with this plan, get a minimum of two cats then they'll have feline companion all day.

[Kfamr]

"You'll have to go outside your house and have to make specific time to play with your cat. Fair enough if you do it every day rain or shine."


And this I understand, and will do.

"So whilst you are at school, with friends, doing homework, eating meals, talking on the phone, playing with your dog, doing chores. "

My animals come before friends, my dad is home 24/7 (thus being able to take care and give attention to cat while i'm gone, if needed), I do not talk on the phone, playing with dogs and a cat is easy, doing chores only lasts for a few minutes, if not an hour or so. I'm capable of eating outside, as well, if needed.


Your cat will be sat outside bored. :(

A real inside pet would be able to see you all the time you are at home and would still need specific play times but cats enjoy being with their owners and if you cage a cat in the backgarden they'll not bond with you.

Placing a cat in an outside run for 20 years is cruel in my opinion.

There is no benefit to a cat to move from a shelter cage, to one in a garden. :(


Again, it will NOT be outside and alone all of the time. It will be outside or alone for possible a few hours at a time... not even. I'm pretty sure you leave your cats alone for the amount of time i'd leave it alone. Beside, i'm pretty sure every cat would enjoy outside time in a protected area.


There's no benefit from getting a loving, caring human?

Ok, whatever you say. I've heard enough from you now, I just don't think you understand the time and devotion I am willing to give this cat.

[Kfamr]

What about spending the two hours a day you would have to spend with your cat in the garden and spend that time helping out at your local shelter. In that way it would be just like having your own cat, until you have the space for an inside cat !!!



The shelter is 30 or so minutes away. If you are willing to drive me each and everyday there, sure thing. I'll do just that.
Once a week is enough for my dad to drive me... he would not be willing to do so everyday.


Besides, it's NOT that we don't have enough room.... It's just that I don't think the cat could be inside 24/7 so it's day would be divided among the outside enclosure and inside, either in the guest bedroom while Simba is inside, or free-roam of the house while simba is outside.

[PayItForward]

Originally posted by Kfamr
Besides, it's NOT that we don't have enough room.... It's just that I don't think the cat could be inside 24/7 so it's day would be divided among the outside enclosure and inside, either in the guest bedroom while Simba is inside, or free-roam of the house while simba is outside.

If you attach the cat run to the guest room so the cat ALWAYS had inside space it would be the same as our catteries which are OK. You could place a cat flap in the window of the spare room INTO the run.

As cats needs to be able to go inside when they choose, not just when you are around. That is why an isolated run is bad, a run attached to the spare room would be much better solution.

Still suggest two cats as they will still be isolated to one room.

[Kfamr]

It is not possible as the spare room is at the front of our house.

[rosethecopycat]

Kay-

It sounds like you have a wonderful spirit towards animals.
In the future, I can see you doing great things.
But, at the moment, ask yourself: What/where will I be in ten years?
At your age, although you sound very mature, it is hard to know.

I waited a long time, many years, before my lifestyle, deemed it logical to have cats. No matter how much I wanted them.

You limit yourself, and your possibilities by taking on the guardianship of a pet at this point in your life. (you can't count on parents taking over for you, it's not fair)
What if you get a job offer overseas?
What if you become a flight attendent and are only home 50% of the time?
These are only examples. So many possibilities.
Maybe you say: But, I never want to leave here, or do anything different.
We just don't know what the future holds. Many things we never imagined.

Secondly, I think Florida is just too brutally hot for outside cats. Why? Because I live in FL.
You will wage a constant battle with fleas. Frightening animals may draw near your enclosure.
Winters in FL? Well, I don't want my cats out in close to freezing weather.
Too cold for me, too cold for them.

I have foster cats. And while they have free range of an isolation bedroom, not in a cage, I am consumed with guilt about not spending as much time with them as I'd like.
I yearn for the day they come out of isolation and can be a part of the family.

Please, I urge you, wait until you can accept a cat, truly as a family member.

Patience. Your rewards will come to you.

Just my opinion.


Rose

[Kfamr]

I really have no idea where i'll be in 10 years, BUT, My pets come before everything. There's no way i'd leave my dogs, or and possible future cats (fish really could careless who feeds them) for ANYTHING.

Florida is hot, but even so, the enclosure will have shade or even a roof. Maybe I could even get my dad to build something similar to our shed and insulate it somehow and get a small AC unit. And even so, it'd be the same tempatures for them in the shelter.
AND, it won't be outside all of the time.

The cat will have some sort of flea control, as my dogs do. We do not have flease here because of my dogs being on flea control.
Again, if the weather gets too cold (or possibly too hot) I will bring the cat inside.
Not animals bother coming our yard, besides squirelles and birds. they will not be able to reach the cat with the type of enclosure I have in mind.


Again, this is nothing final or ever a for sure thing. It's just a thought.

[Aspen and Misty]

Hey Kay. I say get a kitty if you can. Nova wasn't good with Cats when we got her. It took ALOT of time and patience and understanding but we got over it and now she is good with them.I don't know how bad Simba is with them. Just rember there are ALWAYS accidents, but it helps alot if the people in the house knows the rules. Such as, When I have the bunnies (Which Nova is NOT good with) in a room it will say

Please Do not Let Nova in here, she wants to eat me.
Love, Jaxom.

It's a cute way of getting across to the people in the house that they can NOT let that animal in there. When having 2 animals in the same house who don't get along there is alot of things you have to do. For instance. One of our rules is the bunny can NOT be taken out of my room unless Nova is outside OR in a locked crate. Or, when the bunnies are in the living room in there play pens Nova MUST be either in the hallway behind the baby gate or outside with the door locked. If she needs to come inside you have to step outside and put her haltie and leash on her, then you make walk her down to the hallway. There are many many rules that we use, but I just wanted to show you some rules we use with our animals that dont' get along.

Ash

[Aspen and Misty]

Originally posted by rosethecopycat

I have foster cats. And while they have free range of an isolation bedroom, not in a cage, I am consumed with guilt about not spending as much time with them as I'd like.
I yearn for the day they come out of isolation and can be a part of the family.

I know what you mean! Right now Nova, Sada and Wyatt are locked up because of Jax, Julian and the rats being in the living room. I feel sooo guilty because I can't let them all be out all the time. But it's just not praticle. The bunnies have been out for 2 days (expet Nights) and I am feeling so Guilty, I can't leave them in my room (too hott, no air conditoner) so they have to be out here and those animals have to be locked up. Sometimes I think it is un-fare to all 3 sets.

Ash

[Pam]

KayAnn if it was anyone other than you asking I would think twice. Everyone here knows that you are devoted to Simba and Nala and I have no reason to believe you couldn't be completely devoted to a kitty. I think your idea of borrowing Caeleigh and Orion for a while is an excellent way to get Simba a little more used to a kitty in the house. :)

When I first got Trevor 11 years ago (he was my first cat) he was only a 3 lb. kitten. My two dogs at the time had never been around cats. I sort of held my breath during those early introductions but soon everyone learned to respect each other. When Andy came along it was a piece of cake. So I have had good luck with adult dogs and kittens. If you do get an adult cat you could ask about their background as to whether they have already lived with dogs. Good luck and keep us posted and thanks for being brave enough and responsible enough to ask for opinions before jumping into this. I wish all pet owners would be as responsible. :rolleyes:

[guster girl]

I don't know if this has been suggested, but, you could go in the middle of getting your own cat(s) and volunteering daily at the shelter....by fostering. It would be a great sortof halfway home for a kitty or two. Just a suggestion, though. :)

[jazzcat]

I really don't know where I stand on this. I think PIF has good points and I am concerned about Simba - all it takes is one second of turning your back and there could be a bad accident with Simba and the cat. On the other hand you sound like you are really thinking this through and your dedication to your pets is obvious. I also think of the alternative for the cat. If you plan to adopted an older cat from a kill shelter you may be saving it's life. I think your plans are better than being PTS for sure, as long as Simba isn't a problem.

I have one concern though. You are 16, right? Well do you plan to go to college in two years? If so who be taking care of your pets and if you plan to leave them at home what will happen to the cat? Will it be abandoned to the outside run until you come home? If there are no issues of you going away anywhere then I think it might be okay.

I'm just not sure on this. People have brought up some very good points on both sides.

[Kfamr]

That's for the input, everyone.


Originally posted by jazzcat

I have one concern though. You are 16, right? Well do you plan to go to college in two years? If so who be taking care of your pets and if you plan to leave them at home what will happen to the cat? Will it be abandoned to the outside run until you come home? If there are no issues of you going away anywhere then I think it might be okay.


Yes, i'm 16. I doubt i'm going to college, even if so, I would NEVER abandon my pets. And, my parents aren't the type to just let an animal die or suffer.

[jazzcat]

Originally posted by Kfamr
Yes, i'm 16. I doubt i'm going to college, even if so, I would NEVER abandon my pets. And, my parents aren't the type to just let an animal die or suffer.
I didn't mean it like that. I just mean that even though your parents will take care of the cat it might not be quite the commitment that you would give.

Whatever you decide I'm sure you will give it 100% and I look forward to seeing pictures if and when you do.

[Fox-Gal]

I've meet you and your dad, I honestly belive that you do great with a cat or kitten, what everyone you want. And this is coming from a person that doesn't like cats in cages, but I belive that you will make it a roomy cage, you will be sure the cat has everything it needs, including LOTS of love and in time, I have the feeling that your dad will give in and you will have a house cat soon. ;) He just seems like a soft hearted man, that cares.

When we got Ginger, she hated cats also, we found out after we got her, but it didn't take long for that to change and it could be the same in your case too. Ginger never got to where she sleep with a cat, but she learned to live with them and never tried to hurt any of our cats, just barked at them sometimes. LOL

Build the cage, get it all set up right and let me know. If you want to try out cats, I still have my kittens and you can see how it all works out with one of them. If it doesn't work out, you can always bring them back to me, I'd be happy to know one of them got a great mommy like you and if for some reason it doesn't work, it's not like they weren't going to live here anyway with us. It will just be like they where on vaction for awhile. LOL

Just trying to help you out here, without having to take in a cat from the shelter that might not work out and then you would have to try to re-home them again. This way they have a home to come to, that you know will love them.

Just an idea. Think on it.


NOW THIS IS FOR WILLIE:

I thought we worked this out, if you die......I GET MARIO!!!!!!! LOL I want the will written out tomorrow, with me as Mario's foster parent. :D :p ;) ;) I already have a cage built for him for when he goes outside, with fans and everything.

[trayi52]

Okay, Libby you get Mario, and Kay gets the rest of the gang! I'll be sure to get the will made, so I can rest, while I am dead!!!

You and Kay are so funny, and I love you two a lot!

Willie:D

[shais_mom]

Personally, I would rather see a cat in an outside run like Kay is describing then an indoor/outdoor cat that is allowed to cross the road and possible meet head on with a car, regardless of where they live.

What about keeping that kitty in a spare room until Simba gets used to it.

[Kfamr]

It would be in the spare room partially, I just think the kitty would like having time outside in a large enclosure like that.

[Corinna]

Kay I think you should find the thread thar Miss meows did showing her cat run it was a great one. Don't waste energy on response to any one . Most of us know you and your family would never do any thing harmful, cruel,or bad for any animal. You and the folks are some of the most responsible people I know. You have brought Simba so far from where he came from. Getting Nala shows hes able to adapt to new things.
I get that it would be a safe secure PART time area for a cat I don't know why some can't get it.
IVOTE GET A KITTY!!!!!!

[zippy-kat]

Originally posted by Kfamr
It would be in the spare room partially, I just think the kitty would like having time outside in a large enclosure like that.

I know the outside enclosure would only be a part-time thing but I just wanted to comment that not all kitties like it outside. K'Cee is generally TERRIFIED of the outdoors (this is the backyard - I've never had her out front). She does have rare moments when she enjoys rolling in the grass but they are few and far between. But, then again, she was found by a sheriff on the side of a highway (someone probably dumped her :( ) so she has every right to be terrified!

If and when you choose a kitty, you might ask if they are/were inside-outside cats, it might make a HUGE difference in the success of your idea/plan.

[leslie flenner]

I am totally against placing a cat in an outdoor run where they have no say in when they go inside. I don't see, though why an outdoor enclosure has to be built at all. There's your own bedroom and there's the guest bedroom. Plenty of people live in one room apts. and have cats (I did in my twenties- lived in studio apts. with 2 cats). I don't know Simba but it would be hoped that he would learn to get along with an additional family member, right? I think fostering is a great, even a super idea! IN YOUR BEDROOM! Simba would learn about cats and you would be doing what very few people are willing to do! My ferals who obviously were outdoor cats, are now terrified of the outdoors! They love the security inside, the human contact, the interactions with each other 24 hours a day! They love the windows, but when the door to outside is opened, they scamble for under the bed! For the most part, I'm afraid I agree with PIF and Rose-
Also, what's the rush? Do the honorable fostering and later, when you're in your own space, adopt, adopt, adopt!!

[DogLover9501]

Kay,
I also know how much you love Sim and Nala, and I have both dogs and a cat, and they love each other, but the cat was here first lol so I can't really help you on that part.

I want to post some great tips that really helped a friend of my moms, who introduced a new cat to her 7 year old German Shepherd.

If your dog does not already know the commands "sit, down, come, and stay" you should begin working on them. Little tidbits of food increase your dog's motivation to perform, which will be necessary in the presence of such a strong distraction as a new cat! Even if your dog already knows the commands, work with obeying command in return for a tidbit.

* After the animals have become comfortable eating on either side of the door(not sure what that means), and have been exposed to each other's scents, you can attempt a face to face introduction in a controlled manner. Put your dog's leash on and command him to either "sit" or "down and stay" using food tidbits, if needed. Have another family member enter the room and quietly sit down with the cat on his/her lap. The cat should also be offered some special tidbits. At first, the cat and dog should be on OPPOSITE sides of the room. Repeat this step several times until both the cat and dog are tolerating each other without fear, aggression, or other uncontrollable behavior.

* Next, move the animals a little closer together, with the dog still on leash and the cat gently held in a lap. If the cat does not like to be held, you can use a wire crate or carrier instead. If the dog gets up from its "stay" position, it should be firmly repositioned and praised and rewarded for obeying. If the cat becomes frightened, increase the distance between the animals and progress more slowly. Eventually, the animals should be brought close enough together to allow them to investigate each other.

* Although your dog must be taught that chasing or being rough with the cat is unacceptable behaivior, your dog must also be taught how to behave appropriately, and be rewarded for doing so. (e.g. sitting, coming when called, or lying down in return for a tidbit) If your dog is always punished whenever the cat is around, and never has "good things" happen in the cat's presence, your dog may redirect aggression toward the cat.

* You may want to keep your dog on a leash and with you when the cat is free in the house during the introduction process. Be sure that you cat has an escape route, and a place to hide. Keep the dog and cat separated when you aren't home until you are certain the cat will be safe.

PRECAUTIONS: Dogs love to eat cat food because it is very high in protein, and therefore very tasty. You should keep the cat food out of the dog's reach (in a closet, on a high shelf, etc.) Why dogs like to "raid the litterbox" is not well understood, but eating cat feces is a relatively common behavior. Although there are no health hazards to the dog from this habit, it is usually distasteful to owners. Unfortunately, attemps to keep the dog out of the litterbox by "booby trapping" it will also keep the cat away as well. Punishment after the fact will NOT change the dog's behavior. Probably the best solution is to place the litterbox where the dog cannot access it such as behind a baby gate, or in a closet with the door anchored open (from both sides) just wide enough for the cat. Another helpful hint is to buy a covered litterbox and turn it toward the wall with a space big enough for the kitty, but not the dog.

I hope that helps a bit :)

Good Luck, Kay!

[DogLover9501]

Originally posted by trayi52
Okay, Libby you get Mario, and Kay gets the rest of the gang! I'll be sure to get the will made, so I can rest, while I am dead!!!

You and Kay are so funny, and I love you two a lot!

Willie:D

Hey :( Who do I get?

[trayi52]

Robyn, who do you want? I have two chihuahuas, and a ferret. Oh yeah, I have a cockatiel and a horse too!

I know I'll let you and Kay work all this out, after I am gone.

Girls, be fair!

Willie:D

[Kfamr]

There is no "rush"

As I said this is a THOUGHT. Not an actual set plan.

Also, the outside cat area would just be for the cat for fun. It wouldn't be for a permanant living area, as I said a billion times. It would be allowed in the guest bedroom and in my bedroom. Eesssh.





It is a possibility that I will be "cat-sitting" one of Fox-Gal's fosters. In hopes for this to work out, and if not.. He will go back to Fox-Gal. Libby and her husband agreed, and my parents are thinking on it.




Thanks you for the tips Robyn. :)
And thanks everyone else for ideas/opinions.

[heinz57_79]

Ahem.. WIllie... What about ME??? I'll take the horse... but I want all the bunny butts to add to my collection! Can I at least have joint custody with Kay? :D

Kay, we all know you are a responsible pet owner. I think whatever you decide to do, any cat you have will have a wonderful home. I don't think you'd ever let an animal be ignored or neglected. :) Keep us updated!

[NoahsMommy]

Kay,

I agree 100% with what Pam said. :)

Some ideas:
*I would put a roof on the enclosure/cage so kitty cannot jump out. I think you meant you would, but you were thinking of putting an actual ROOF. If you just wanted the cage to have a top, you can check these out:
Shade Panels (http://www.doggonegood.com/showproduct.cfm?Product_ID=182&ParentCat=106)

*This might help for cooling: Cooling Mat (http://www.doggonegood.com/showproduct.cfm?Product_ID=317&ParentCat=38)

I know you will always do the right thing when it comes to animals. You've shown us all that you love them with all your heart and would never, ever give them a life anything other than the best.

[catmandu]

Somehow I miused the Thread , But I think that being in a Home , of their own, is what a Cat wants most , and They can always learn , to live with a Dog , if they dont run.That , I think , is better than being in a Shelter

[jenluckenbach]

My opinion on caging a cat for its entire natural life............(and please know that I have NOT read this thread through, only your first post about what you'd like to do)

I truly don't think it is a suitable situation, but this is only MY opinion. I know that people keep dogs in outdoor kennels or runs and think that is an OK situation and that people keep barn cats who have no real part in the family's life except to live outside and kill rodents. But to adopt a PET and then exclude it from the love of the family home seems a bit selfish to me. YOU want a cat and that seems to be all you are concidering. Would you want your precious Simba to live in an outdoor run (even an elaborate one) for the rest of his natural life??

I can tell you this, any rescue group that screens their potential adopters would NOT adopt to a family if they knew this was your intention.

[QueenScoopalot]

Just my 2 cents worth, but if this does happen, keep in mind that even if a cat has been with dogs all its life, a new dog can still be terrifying! All our dogs have been rescued as either pups, or in Peanut's case adult. Peanut can't quite count as she's all of four & a half Lbs. And as we all know dogs can snap when their food is messed with.I know you're only toying with the idea, but a lot of good points have been brought up, and subsequently dismissed by you. Keep in mind...you did state in the title "opinions please"! ;) I do a lot of rescuing of abandoned cats, and many ferals as well, and the majority are introduced veerrrryy slowly to the dogs, if at all. Most of the cats and kittens are just moving through the ever revolving doors (almost) as fast as they come in! Wheww! You strike me as a very responsible young woman, but think about not only your future, but also that of any newcomers! We all grow up too fast (except me..never grow up, never grow uup...not me!! She sings to herself):D

[Kfamr]

Jen,
I can tell you haven't read anything.


It will not be kept in the cage it's whole life, and ill not be kept outside it's whole life.

Simba would never be left out outside 24/7... nor will my cat.



Scoop -- My dogs do not snap when their food is being messed with. I trained them not to.

If I do adopt a cat from the shelter, I will make sure it is one who gets along with dogs. If I get one from fox-Gal, she has introduced the kittens to her dogs.


I have not "dismissed" any opinions or points, i've thought about each and every point people have brought up, but most of the stuff that has been brought up (EX: the cat being lonely, not getting enough attention) are things that would never happen.



Thank you again everyone for responding. I think this is the most replies I've gotten from this side of PT. :p

[PayItForward]

Originally posted by Kfamr
Also, the outside cat area would just be for the cat for fun. It wouldn't be for a permanant living area, as I said a billion times. It would be allowed in the guest bedroom and in my bedroom. Eesssh.

So can I take it you have changed your mind and that this cat will now be inside most of the time. :D

20 hours of the day whilst you are at school & asleep, cat will be in the spare room/your room safe and the isolated outside run will only be used for recreation.

Recreation a maximum 4 hours in the evening outside in the isolation run for play time but cat will be taken back inside to be played with / when your dog is out / when the weather is very hot or very cold and storms.

That would be perfect an inside cat with a play time run. :D

[Kfamr]

I haven't changed my mind about anything. I was going to allow it in the house from the beginning.

[NKBurlington]

Originally posted by Kfamr
I haven't changed my mind about anything. I was going to allow it in the house from the beginning.

Hmm,
From your first post:

We could build something like that if/when we tear down our garden... Install some sort of fan, like they have at the humane society. Now, I wouldn't want it to be out there 24/7, I'd bring it inside at night possibly, and during the day at times... and when it storms.

It sounds to me like you did plan to leave the kitty out of doors for most of the time and allowing him/her to come in at your convenience.

I don't mean to sound harsh but you did ask for opinions so here is mine.

I think it's a bad idea to rescue a cat from one cage, and house her in another.

It sounds to me like you made up your mind from the beginning anyway and anything we say will not sway your decision. I think you've talked yourself into it and there's nothing we can say to change your mind.

I hope that you will wait until a suitable time to adopt a kitty and you can give it the quality of life it deserves.

JMHO!

[Cataholic]

First, I commend Kay for not getting upset with some of the comments that have been posted. I know I would have reacted to some of them. Opinions asked for, or not.

Second, my cats would LOVE to have an outdoor enclosure. And, much as I would hate to admit it, they would prolly prefer to spend their time out there, instead of inside all the time.

Third, my only real concern is with Simba. Some dogs have a higher prey drive than others. I think Sim is on the higher side, rather than the lower side. That would make my VERY uncomfortable. I don't truly think prey drive is trained out of a doggie. While **most** of the time Simba would be 'okay', it would only one time. And, Kay, I know that would devastate you.

Fourth, I don't doubt for a single solitary moment your total devotion to pets. I know you wouldn't ever adopt and discard, adopt and not put 100% into it.

Fifth, what's up with you NOT going to college?

[Kfamr]

NKBurlington---

Whoever you are, If you notice the post was posted at 3 in the morning. I hadn't slept at all, and It was just something I was thinking about. My words did not come together as I would have liked. I never intended on leaving the cat outside all of the time, I haven't changed my mind. That's that, my mind.. not yours. I think i'd know better than you. :)

I will give every single animal that comes into my care the quality it deserves, so do NOT say I won't.

You could bring up a relevant opinion against it ( Something other than I wouldn't be able to give him/her quality life, it's not good to be in a cage 24/7 ) Because most opinions, although appreciated, like i said are things that aren't going to happen.



Johanna--

Simba doesn't really have a high prey drive. As I said, I can put a lizzard on his nose, on his back, anywhere and he's fine.

He used to be horrible with other dogs. He was set in his ways. Since then he's let Nala live with him, Honey visit often, Duke visit often, and many other visitors in our home. He doesn't go crazy for squirelles anymore, he's laid back and whatever goes with him.

Libby brought to me a good point, which I was thinking about beforehand.. She said if I was adopt a cat from the shelter, and it didn;t work out, that I'd have to bring it back.
Instead, i'm going to cat-sit one of her foster kittens (probably the orangie, although my mom likes the light colored calico best) and if it didn't work out, it'd go back to her.


I'm not going to college because I do not like school, I do not have money to go. I don't think i'd like the environment anyways. But who knows, either way.. my animals will never be abandoned, and nothing will come before them.

[trayi52]

As I have said, Kay is a very responsible pet owner. She would not do anything to endanger any of her pets! She did say she was going to have it in the house with her! There is no doubt in my mind, that a cat would have a wonderful and loving home with Kay.

Willie:)

[Denyce]

For once I seem to be on the side of wondering where in the world some of you people are coming from! I see people offering very negative opinions and yet I am not too crazy about the home life they offer their cats either (I am not going to be specific or name names because they didn't ask my opinion on their situation). Now after I have prefaced with all of that.

Kfamr,

I think you are thinking this whole situation through very well and that you are going to make the best decision you can. You have been one of the more mature teenagers on this board. At times even being more mature than some of the adults. From what I am gathering you plan on making the cat pretty much an INDOOR cat with a very wonderful outdoor cat run. Not a miserable little cage that some seem to be picturing. You plan on spending time with the cat INSIDE the house and OUTSIDE the house as much as anyone with THREE pets is able to offer. Gee. I think this sounds good to me. Better than the alternative for some cats.

I am planning the opposite in some ways. My husband and I are getting ready to build a very large and insulated dog house. It will be enclosed in as large of a dog run as we can afford. We then plan on adopting a couple of dogs. The dogs would stay in their outside enclosure when we are at work. Which is about 10 hours a day. Because I think it is cruel to leave a dog inside the home with no way to relieve their bladder or bowels for almost half of a 24 hour period. That would be for 5 days a week or when we are at work. When we are home in the evenings and at night , the weekends and on days off the dogs would then be with us. By the criteria I am seeing some people post we wouldn't be very good dog owners. Although I think this would be great for the type of dogs we are talking about. EVEN in the winter!!! OHH NOOO....:rolleyes:

Of course we are not talking about getting small little lap dogs...we are talking dogs that are 60 pounds or larger...preferably larger and most likely with double coats. But I imagine some will still think we are being cruel. *sigh*

Just follow your heart and use your commen sense and you will make the right decision. So far I haven't seen or read much that would lead me to beleive otherwise.

Denyce

[carole]

I don't think anyone in this thread has been unkind, they have all offered Kay advice and opinions and Kay has answered them all politely and explained to everyone exactly how the situation will be.

To be honest having a safe indoor/outdoor area would be my choice, and I believe the purrfect life for a kitty, so I have no problem with that, my only concerns are for how the dog/kitty relationship will be.

Good luck Kay with whatever you decide, everyone here knows how responsible and committed you are, and any fears they have are genuine and have been relayed to you out of pure concern only.:)

[NKBurlington]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kfamr
[B]NKBurlington---

Whoever you are, If you notice the post was posted at 3 in the morning. I hadn't slept at all, and It was just something I was thinking about. My words did not come together as I would have liked. I never intended on leaving the cat outside all of the time, I haven't changed my mind. That's that, my mind.. not yours. I think i'd know better than you. :)

I will give every single animal that comes into my care the quality it deserves, so do NOT say I won't.

You could bring up a relevant opinion against it ( Something other than I wouldn't be able to give him/her quality life, it's not good to be in a cage 24/7 ) Because most opinions, although appreciated, like i said are things that aren't going to happen.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend you. I was just offering my opinion based on what I had read. No, I did not notice the time of the post.

I'm sure that you would love *any* kitty that you adopted as I'm sure anyone on this board would. I was just picturing a kitty out doors all alone and forgotten. My mistake. It just breaks my heart to think of an animal all alone outside and although that's not at all what it would be like at your home, that is what I was envisioning. I guess I just like to see all animals in a warm and safe home; which I know yours is.

Once again, please accept my apologies and I did not mean to offend you.

I cannot imagine anyone on this board who is not totally devoted to the welfare and wellbeing of all creatures.

ETA: At least if she is going to be outside, you will have created a nice safe place for her enjoyment.

[thelmalu99]

Kay,
I can't blame you for wanting a kitty! They're terrific! :D

I remember you from a long while back, when I used to post here regularly, and I can say that I truly believe that you are committed 100% to giving your pets the quality of life that they deserve. I think you would be a wonderful kitty momma.

I don't know if you remember, but when I got Elvis and JD, I used to post here often about how difficult Elvis was. Unfortunately, he had been an abused cat, and he had some serious trust issues. He would scratch and bite any time he became even mildly irritated, and you couldn't touch him anywhere but the top of his head and around his ears. Even then, he would sometimes bite.

With all of my heart, I can tell you that today, three years later, he is a completely different cat. This is because I was patient and gave him all the love he would allow me to, and gradually he calmed down and realized that nobody was going to hurt him here. There is no doubt in my mind that you are this kind of pet owner, patient and loving.

I have another true story for you. (My stories DO have a point, so please bear with me.) :D

My friend Michele has a wonderful dog, Tasha, who hated cats. Tasha was the kind of dog who would see a cat outside and chase the cat all the way down the road until she was ordered back by Michele, puffing and panting from chasing Tasha (and trying to save the cat's life).

About 7 months ago, a tiny little scared and cold kitten appeared on Michele's doorstep. She took the kitten inside and put him in the bathroom with food and water and began to care for him. Tasha would always be scratching on the other side of the door, not barking, but just curious, understandably.

Michele thought she wouldn't be able to keep the cat, because Tasha hated cats so, but one fine day, when she brought the kitten out, Tasha was ok with him. They gradually got used to each other, and soon the cat didn't need to be kept in the bathroom anymore because he and Tasha were getting along fine.

Now, Tasha and the cat, Neo, live beautifully together, and even sleep together. :D Nobody knows what happened in Tasha's mind, but she's great with the cat and has even stopped chasing cats outside. Neo loves his big sister, and Michele can't even believe that she even considered not giving it a try.


Ok, now for my point. (I told you I had one!)

There's no reason Simba can't learn to live with a cat. From what I understand, it is only really aggressive dogs that can't learn to live with another animal. It doesn't seem to me that Simba is an aggressive dog at all, and you're obviously a very conscious pet momma. If you weren't, you wouldn't be thinking this through so thoroughly and asking for opinions before coming to a decision.


I like what some others here said. I think it would be an excellent idea to have your brother bring his cats over, and for you to take Simba to your brother's house to visit the cats on their turf, on a regular basis. See how it goes. You already said that Simba has been ok with your brother's cats at times. Maybe a little more exposure to them will help to warm him up, along with a lot of love, patience and reassurance from you.

Who knows? With proper handling of the situation and a lot of patience on your side, Simba may learn to accept cats and you will be able to get one to bring into your home on a full-time basis.

Whatever your decision, I wish you luck and commend you for being so responsible about it.

[catcrazylady]

I truly and firmly believe that a cat enclosure with inside time is a good situation. My cats would be over joyed with that opportunity! I have to keep Magoo caged with the hope that someday that won't have to be anymore but for now it is my only option. Would it have been better to leave him at the shelter? I certainly don't think so!

You are offering a homeless cat a good home with love and fun outside time. I think you should be commended. I keep hearing everyone call it a cage but I'm under the impression from you that we are talking about a large enclosure. You mentioned it would be the size of a room. Are you also talking about it having a high roof? You could put in shelves and maybe a tree trunk type of thing for scratching and play. It would be kitty heaven!

I do understand the concerns over the dog but with time that might not even be an issue. Everyone keeps telling me that I'm doing a great job with Magoo and he is caged with the hope that he will eventually learn to deal with the other kitties. It seems to be the same situation to me that the hopes would be eventually the new kitty and the dog would learn to live together. Everyone keeps telling me to give it time and it will work out and I think the same should apply here. I do understand that one mistake could be a huge problem or even kill the cat but from everything I have heard she is a very responsible person and would keep that from happening.

I guess after my experiences at the shelter I feel like this is such a giant leap for any poor shelter cat. Especially since she is considering an older cat that doesn't like other kitties. These are the cats that can't find a home most of the time. Life in the shelter or life inside/outside in a safe enclosure? I know which one I would choose if I was the cat.

Of course, all this is just my opinion.http://petoftheday.com/talk/images/our_smilies/wink.gif http://petoftheday.com/talk/images/our_smilies/biggrin.gif

[bluekat]

( I haven't read all the other pages yet either, but only a few posts so I don't know everything about what's going on;) )

I think that you should get a kitty though, I can tell that you will love him very much and provide him with the best of care. I think the enclosure is a pretty good idea, since it isn't too small and I'm sure the kitty will love it. ( I think Blueberry would love an outdoor exclosure lol)
Also, Simba will probably grow to love the kitty, because I know that some cats and dogs grow to become the best of friends. He may need some time but I'm sure he'd get used to the cat.

I know you'll make the best decision, and please keep us updated!
But in my opinion, yes you should get a cat:D I'm sure you'll love being a cat owner:D

[Kfamr]

Thanks again everyone for responding.:D