Question for someone older ...

[Karen]

I sent a FB message to CyberSibes, but I know she's away right now. This is something maybe only someone older than me, and with an artistic bent, would know:

When I was a kid, I basically had just two "colors" of ink available beside black and indigo blue for my calligraphy pens. One was Allizaron Crimson, and the other was a "Lord SomethingorOther" Gray that had was an almost black with a blue tint when used thinly. Have you any idea what it was called, way back in the dark ages? Hoping this rings a bell for someone, at least!

[Randi]

Karen, do you know if that is a color that was used/called the same in England? If so, my graphic designer friend may know what you are referring to. He's old school.

[Karen]

Karen, do you know if that is a color that was used/called the same in England? If so, my graphic designer friend may know what you are referring to. He's old school.

Yes, it probably was! Thanks for asking!

[Freedom]

I'm not finding a Lord anything. Maybe you mean Logwood?

http://www.paintmaking.com/historic_pigments.htm

And :

Logwood Inks write a purplish black and dry black, and are in general use in schools and for other purposes where absolute permanency is not required.

From this site: http://www.evanlindquist.com/othermedia/oldinknotes.html

The sample looks more blue than black on this page: http://www.evanlindquist.com/othermedia/oldinknotes.html

[Karen]

I'm not finding a Lord anything. Maybe you mean Logwood?

http://www.paintmaking.com/historic_pigments.htm

It was not Logwood, that's for sure. And the one I am thinking of specifically was not purplish when thinner, more on the teal side of blue than the purple side like Indigo ink is.

[pomtzu]

Well I certainly qualify as "older", :eek:, but there are no bells ringing here in DE.

Asiel might know - she does a lot of art work, but hasn't been around much lately either, due to some illness in her family. I'll be emailing her later today or tomorrow, so I'll have her take a look at this thread. She's even "older" than I am!!! :D

[RICHARD]

Go look up the company, if you know it? Look up ink manufacturers and look at their inventory.

[Karen]

Go look up the company, if you know it? Look up ink manufacturers and look at their inventory.

I do not remember what the name of the company was, and it may have been a bottle I inherited from my grandmother. I could draw you the bottle shape, but ink manufacturing has changed a whole lot in the last 50-100 years, and a lot of old colors have been abandoned for being unstable, not light-resistant, etc.

[Karen]

I got the answer from cybersibes! Payne's Grey - my bottle said "Lord Payne's Grey" but he was not a lord, so I do not know why it was labeled as such!

Some history:

"The color Payne's Grey is named after a British watercolorist and art lecturer, William Payne (1760--1830), who recommended the mixture to students as a more subtle alternative to a gray mixed from black and white. In Artist's Pigments: c.1600-1835 Payne's grey is stipulated to originally have been "a mixture of lake, raw sienna and indigo."

from http://painting.about.com/od/artglossaryp/g/defPaynesGrey.htm

[Freedom]

I came back hoping you had the answer, and yup, you do! Great news!

[Randi]

Glad you found the answer. :) Because of your question I looked for colors and found this:

http://colorsstartingwitha.facts.co/colorsthatstartwitha.php

I have a cotton blouse/jacket that I really like the shape of, but not the color. It's pink, but not the right pink! I bought some "Rit" dye in USA, it's called "Scarlet." I wanted a dark "Crimson," that they didn't have, so I'll have a go with this one. Have you ever dyed clothes?

[Karen]

Glad you found the answer. :) Because of your question I looked for colors and found this:

http://colorsstartingwitha.facts.co/colorsthatstartwitha.php

I have a cotton blouse/jacket that I really like the shape of, but not the color. It's pink, but not the right pink! I bought some "Rit" dye in USA, it's called "Scarlet." I wanted a dark "Crimson," that they didn't have, so I'll have a go with this one. Have you ever dyed clothes?

Not in a long time - but what you could do is add a little blue to the "scarlet" to darken it to a more Crimson shade.

[Randi]

That sounds like a good idea. I had the choice of a Navy Blue, a bit of that might have done it. We'll see! In any case, the color will be better than what it is now. :)

[Karen]

So here (http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?186244-Different-Views) is why I was wracking my brains for that name! In case you were wondering.

[cyber-sibes]

I got the answer from cybersibes! Payne's Grey - my bottle said "Lord Payne's Grey" but he was not a lord, so I do not know why it was labeled as such!

Some history:

"The color Payne's Grey is named after a British watercolorist and art lecturer, William Payne (1760--1830), who recommended the mixture to students as a more subtle alternative to a gray mixed from black and white. In Artist's Pigments: c.1600-1835 Payne's grey is stipulated to originally have been "a mixture of lake, raw sienna and indigo."

from http://painting.about.com/od/artglossaryp/g/defPaynesGrey.htm
Glad I could help - that's an interesting bit of history, Karen!