Okay, seriously, what can I do about this?

[Alysser]

I posted about this months ago, toward maybe the end of the summer? I don't really remember, but the little dog got away from her owners again, and attacked Mikey AGAIN. This time, she had the nerve to come into my open garage. I really am getting sick of this now. She is a little dog, like a Sassy sized llasa opso. She is NASTY, hates other dogs. Mikey is probably just defending me or something but when she goes after him he doesn't back down. She goes absolutely nuts and so does he. He made her bleed last time. It's sad, since he really LOVES dogs, and the first time he saw her coming he thought she wanted to play.

I have never "talked" to this guy about this before. I've made a few remarks like "can you not let this happen again?" and he assured me it wouldn't but it has. I don't know how to go about talking to him, I don't want to be mean, but at the same time, I am tired of his dog getting away. He isn't training her off-leash like I initally thought, she just always manages to runs away (leash on) and comes and attacks any dog she sees! it always happens to be Mikey!:mad:

I am just getting pissed at this point. Mikey is a football player to this little brat of a dog, and honestly, he could probably injure her to to point of needing medical attention. My fear is they will turn this on ME. My state (NJ) has weird dog laws, IMO. The animal is considered "Dangerous" or "Potentially Dangerous" ONLY if the dog seriously injures or kills another domestic animals or human. She can't really hurt him, but he can really hurt her, and honestly, I am sick of having to stick my head out to walk my dog when it shouldn't be a worry of mine. I don't want them to turn around and make him look like he's dangerous when she is always running loose and attacking other animals.

I know I need to talk to him, but what else can I do? I really don't want authorities involved for such a minor thing, but if it escalates to injuries there is no way my dog will be the one listed as "dangerous". How do I go about talking to him about it, politely? I ask, because this is really getting bothersome now and it tends to make me mad just thinking about it.

[Taz_Zoee]

I say just tell him exactly what you just told us here. You don't want his dog to get hurt. If he can't keep her under control you'll have to tell authorities to help protect your own dog. I don't know anything about dog laws (even in my own state/town), but couldn't you report this dog and if anything did happen to her by Mikey they could see you were being proactive in trying to remedy the problem?

But you should really tell him and express how Mikey reacts to her and the (obvious) fact that Mikey is much bigger than her and could seriously injure her and you do NOT want to see that happen.

Good luck!

[Freedom]

So this guy -- or someone else -- is walking the dog, and loses hold of the leash? Yeah, I've had that happen, but it is a rare thing and my dogs are trained to stay by me if the end of the leash drops. I guess I want to clarify, this guy is not handicapped / mentally challenged in some way, nor is a child involved. Because if you want to be proactive, and that is the case, you can also suggest that the child not walk the dog OR that they use a second leash around their waist so the dog can't take off when the leash slips. So, just covering the bases, in that comment.



Cindy / Taz_Zoee: "I say just tell him exactly what you just told us here. You don't want his dog to get hurt. If he can't keep her under control you'll have to tell authorities to help protect your own dog." Yes, yes yes. Then, you have warned him and if / when it happens again, you have started the documentation that his dog is the one off leash.

I know we have the 'dangerous dog' law here as well. But if my dog is tied / fenced in and the other dog is the one to enter MY yard and get hurt, I'm not so sure MY dog is the one that gets labelled dangerous. I agree, you do not want to find out!

If you really want to be proactive, you can suggest he take the dog to training at a place like XXX - get the name of a local positive reinforcement training place.

[Karen]

Exactly, talk to him, and explain that for his dog's safety, and your sanity, he really needs to keep her controlled. If not, you may end up needed to call Animal Control, which as a fellow dog owner you do not want to have to do, but for everyone's safety, you may need to consider. Tell him that, as his dog has been the aggressor in the past.

[lizbud]

You say you don't want to bother telling animal control or whoever about this little dog, I believe it is a major thing because
it has happened more than once.You will be protecting your own dog and the smaller dog, by informing authorities what's been
happening. Why should you have to keep talking to the guy? Maybe he'll listen to AC when they come out to look into this.

[Lady's Human]

You say you don't want to bother telling animal control or whoever about this little dog, I believe it is a major thing because
it has happened more than once.You will be protecting your own dog and the smaller dog, by informing authorities what's been
happening. Why should you have to keep talking to the guy? Maybe he'll listen to AC when they come out to look into this.

You hit the nail on the head, Liz.

It's a repeat situation, obviously the other dog's owner doesn't see the issue, so it is time for ACO to deal with it.

[chocolatepuppy]

You say you don't want to bother telling animal control or whoever about this little dog, I believe it is a major thing because
it has happened more than once.You will be protecting your own dog and the smaller dog, by informing authorities what's been
happening. Why should you have to keep talking to the guy? Maybe he'll listen to AC when they come out to look into this.

Agree. If Mikey ever does really hurt this dog and there are no past reports, it will be your word against the neighbors.

[Alysser]

Does being a complete airhead count as a mental problem? :D LOL I am kidding, but I think that's all that is wrong with him. He's just completely spacey.

As for AC, they never have come out for anything either I've called about, or my neighbors have called about. They came out once for a dog bite on a human on my block and that's only "because the guy needed medical attention" (he was bitten by a boxer), I think they'd laugh in my face at this situation, seriously. I think if this dog severely injured someone it would be different. I've never had a real talk about it with this guy, I just said some remarks to him about it. But even my neighbor said to me today "that dog is crazy". She was out carrying in groceries. It happened once when her kids were out (4 & 9) and she said it scared her kids because they love Mikey and they've never seen him react like that.

I also don't want some big blow up with the neighbors happen over something that, while it is annoying, isn't severe enough to warrant authorities. I just want to come across to him that I'm serious about this BS ending. One time, fine, but seriously 4 times? I wish I knew if this dog was human aggressive to, then I don't think I'd be as afraid to call AC as I am about this, or even if it's happened to other people. Other people have seen this happen and have said something to me about how obviously this dog needs a leash. One day she's going to go after the wrong dog and potentially get hurt/killed.

[Glacier]

I would not hesitate to call AC. If it works like it does here, they won't tell the owner who called and if they've never been there before, it's unlikely anything serious will happen to the dog or owner. But they will have a record of the dog's behaviour and be able to enforce whatever consequences your local laws allow if the owner doesn't get his act together.

We have a similar issue with a quartet of local dogs. Now they are big, husky mixes so they can and have done plenty of damage to other dogs. I don't know what you have to do to make a husky that mean but they are the nastiest huskies I've ever met. They've completely destroyed everyone else's enjoyment of the trails around here. Their owners keep them leashed, but long flexi leashes. They always claimed that being on-leash meant nothing was their dogs' faults. I've called AC and had long discussions with them about how on-leash and under control are two different things! I know others have called AC too. Last week I was out running and passed these dogs....all on 5 foot leashes and muzzled, which up here means they've all been deemed dangerous dogs! Now maybe the rest of us will be able to let our well behaved, friendly dogs enjoy the trails again!

I've owned a dog who hated every other dog on the planet. Keeping other dogs safe from Kayleigh was my responsiblity. No one else needed to worry that my dog aggressive dog was going to hurt their dog. Protecting other dogs from Kayleigh and her from herself was a ton of work, but it was the only responsible way to keep a dog with that kind of temperment! You shouldn't have to worry about Mikey when you're doing the right things for him!

[Alysser]

Oh and another thing I forgot to mention, Mikey isn't licensed with my town..which would be like calling AC on myself. Unless, I wouldn't need to get involved with talking to them? The issue here IS about the other dog, not Mikey.

I still live with my parents, so I am kind of reined in about what THEY want as well. I will definitely talk to them about what they think we should do. My Dad has talked to more than one neighbor before about a loose dog problem. I don't get what it takes to keep your dog enclosed and secure. It just makes no sense to me. Sure, Mikey gets away on occasions but he would NEVER attack another do like that.

Glacier, that is CRAZY. Having dog aggressive dogs on a FLEXI leash, what is wrong with people?? ESPECIALLY on trails where people run with dogs all the time :rolleyes: That really takes the cake. I am glad your issue is resolved though, hopefully!

As for, being leashed and controlled...yep they are not the same thing. It amazes me that people have no audacity for others. I can only imagine what would happen if I let psycho off-leash. He'd try to PLAY with everything. He's one of those "too in your face" dogs, he doesn't have the best Doggy manners and he sometimes gets very excitable. :p

[chocolatepuppy]

I also don't want some big blow up with the neighbors happen over something that, while it is annoying, isn't severe enough to warrant authorities. I just want to come across to him that I'm serious about this BS ending. One time, fine, but seriously 4 times?

It will be serious if Mikey badly hurts that dog and THEY call AC, you can bet on that. And I don't want to think what will happen then.

[beeniesmom]

I say just tell him exactly what you just told us here. You don't want his dog to get hurt. If he can't keep her under control you'll have to tell authorities to help protect your own dog. I don't know anything about dog laws (even in my own state/town), but couldn't you report this dog and if anything did happen to her by Mikey they could see you were being proactive in trying to remedy the problem?

But you should really tell him and express how Mikey reacts to her and the (obvious) fact that Mikey is much bigger than her and could seriously injure her and you do NOT want to see that happen.

Good luck!

I agree 100%.

[Freedom]

Does being a complete airhead count as a mental problem? :D LOL I am kidding, but I think that's all that is wrong with him. He's just completely spacey.


Oh there are people I do which it was a recognize mental health issue! :D:D:D

[Roxyluvsme13]

I would do something about it because if Mikey did something to the other dog (in defense obviously), then it wouldn't matter that the other dog was aggressive, they would probably place the blame on him. We had an aggressive dog once (ages ago) and the situation was not pretty when he ended up biting someone. So, I think it'd be best to call AC and see if there is anything they can do. You don't want Mikey to get hurt or the little ankle biter to end up bleeding.

[IRescue452]

Why call AC if they don't come out? If there are leash laws in your area the police are responsible for that. Police also take care of the vicious and dangerous dog problems where I live. Not animal control. Its not like these people are giving their dog a fair life anyway.

[Jessika]

I would do something about it because if Mikey did something to the other dog (in defense obviously), then it wouldn't matter that the other dog was aggressive, they would probably place the blame on him. We had an aggressive dog once (ages ago) and the situation was not pretty when he ended up biting someone. So, I think it'd be best to call AC and see if there is anything they can do. You don't want Mikey to get hurt or the little ankle biter to end up bleeding.
My thoughts too. You need to do something. If talking to the owner isn't working, you NEED to get someone else involved. This dog is trespassing and is a danger to your dog, and probably yourself too if they ever really got into it and you try to break them up. You can call AC on him without even bringing up your pet, just say "This dog is running around loose with no owner and has come onto my property more than once." And call them to report it EVERY TIME it happens.

Just a curious thought though, why isn't he registered? Too many pets for your county or just not up-to-date on vaccines? Not sure how things work outside my bubble... here, you register them when they get their rabies vaccine and the vet who admins the vaccine sends in the paperwork. However, there is a 3 pet per household limit (by law) so IF someone were to report me I COULD get in trouble...

[Alysser]

My thoughts too. You need to do something. If talking to the owner isn't working, you NEED to get someone else involved. This dog is trespassing and is a danger to your dog, and probably yourself too if they ever really got into it and you try to break them up. You can call AC on him without even bringing up your pet, just say "This dog is running around loose with no owner and has come onto my property more than once." And call them to report it EVERY TIME it happens.

Just a curious thought though, why isn't he registered? Too many pets for your county or just not up-to-date on vaccines? Not sure how things work outside my bubble... here, you register them when they get their rabies vaccine and the vet who admins the vaccine sends in the paperwork. However, there is a 3 pet per household limit (by law) so IF someone were to report me I COULD get in trouble...

Too be honest, I didn't even know they had to be registered until over the summer when someone told me about it. I can't get a straight answer from online about registering him and I can't get anyone to answer the phones (well they don't know anything if I do anyway) at the town. My mom has called as well, we just can't find out a lot. We're probably gonna have to go in person. He is completely up to date on his vaccines though, he always is :)

[Jessika]

Too be honest, I didn't even know they had to be registered until over the summer when someone told me about it. I can't get a straight answer from online about registering him and I can't get anyone to answer the phones (well they don't know anything if I do anyway) at the town. My mom has called as well, we just can't find out a lot. We're probably gonna have to go in person. He is completely up to date on his vaccines though, he always is :)
Some rural counties where I live don't require registration, others do. MOST clinics will submit the paperwork for you, but some don't. Again, not sure how it is where you live but I would ASSUME if he's UTD on all vaccines there isn't really anything to worry about, and sometimes owners don't even realize that the clinic registers the pet for them when we issue the rabies vaccine. Do you get a tag with his rabies vaccine? If so, that is his registration. :)

[Alysser]

Some rural counties where I live don't require registration, others do. MOST clinics will submit the paperwork for you, but some don't. Again, not sure how it is where you live but I would ASSUME if he's UTD on all vaccines there isn't really anything to worry about, and sometimes owners don't even realize that the clinic registers the pet for them when we issue the rabies vaccine. Do you get a tag with his rabies vaccine? If so, that is his registration. :)

LOL, see I have no clue. He does have a tag for his rabies vaccination. It just says 2012, address of his vets office, and 'rabies vaccination'. It is a little heart shaped tag. He is going to the Vet in march for his other vaccinations and a well visit, I guess his yearly ones. I am not entirely sure of what he needs every year? Bordatella maybe?

[Jessika]

LOL, see I have no clue. He does have a tag for his rabies vaccination. It just says 2012, address of his vets office, and 'rabies vaccination'. It is a little heart shaped tag. He is going to the Vet in march for his other vaccinations and a well visit, I guess his yearly ones. I am not entirely sure of what he needs every year? Bordatella maybe?
It depends. Here the "yearly" vaccines are the distemper combo or DHPP (distemper, hepatitis, parvo and parainfluenza) with or without leptospirosis (DHLPP with lepto). Bordetella is always given every 6 months to a year (depending on how often you groom/board/go to dog parks/events etc and what those facilities require). Here you can legally get a 1y or 3y rabies. Depending on the clinic you may also get a 3y distemper combo vaccine. Leptospirosis (if he's vaccinated for it) and bordetella are given yearly.

I would ASSUME if he has a tag stating he is vaccinated for rabies that some form of registration was also done. Ask your vet when you take him in March <3

EDIT: This is our vaccine protocol for the St. Louis area; some vaccines are lifestyle and region dependant. There are other vaccines, such as influenza and lymes, etc, that are lifestyle or region-based so your protocol may be, and probably is, a little different than ours. For example, vets in your area may not even worry about vaccinating for lepto. However, the "base" vaccines are some combination of distemper, rabies, and bordetella.

[Alysser]

IT HAPPENED AGAIN TODAY!:mad::mad::mad

Moron had the dog off-leash! Mikey (ON THE LEASH) barked, she heard and came running out of her garage down the block. THANK god there was snow because I kept kicking it on her. I got between them and she finally stopped. Clueless idiot comes up "Sorry"...I said "LOOK keep your dog on a leash...this is the 5th time she's done this" he goes "I didn't know your dog would do that." WHAT?!? DO WHAT? BARK? BE ON A WALK? What was he going to stand there while your out of control idiotic dog was attacking him??? WHERE IS YOUR BRAIN?

My Dad was coming out to shovel and he goes "You better keep that dog away from my dog or I am seriously calling animal control. This isn't the first time this has happened. Mikey isn't aggressive EVER and would never attack another dog unless provoked. She's going to wind up getting hurt, do you really want that? KEEP her on a leash and away from him". Clueless guy, after hearing about calling AC he said "I am sorry this will NOT happen again".

My dad is completely serious. Regardless of my dog not being registered, he is not a danger to anyone (THIS is a dog who tries to PLAY with wild animals) and we don't even need to bring that up. I am sick of this moron and his little nuisance.

[Jessika]

How dare you have him on a leash on a walk and how dare he bark... :rolleyes:

[Alysser]

How dare you have him on a leash on a walk and how dare he bark... :rolleyes:

This guy really had a mental issue...or he's just clueless. I don't understand where your brain has to be to say something like that!! :rolleyes: Mikey wasn't even barking at her. He likes to announce his presence when he comes out LOL. But I didn't even see her till I turned around, this time there was no leash dragging behind her.

I can't believe some people have the nerve to keep a dog like that off a leash, what a moron.