Sandusky found guilty of most sex abuse charges

[Catty1]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/sandusky-lawyer-sees-slim-chance-acquittal-jury-presses-011510221--nfl.html


BELLEFONTE, Pennsylvania (Reuters) - A jury on Friday found former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky guilty on 45 of 48 counts in his child sex abuse trial after some 21 hours of deliberation.
Sandusky, who faces potentially hundreds of years in prison, was escorted immediately out of the courthouse in handcuffs and taken into an awaiting sheriff's cruiser.

[pomtzu]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/sandusky-lawyer-sees-slim-chance-acquittal-jury-presses-011510221--nfl.html

That sicko got what he deserves. He just gave me the creeps the way he was always smiling everytime his mug was on camera - like he really thought he was going to get away with it. He wasn't smiling when he was led out of the courthouse in handcuffs after the verdict last night tho - was he???

I hope that his victims now have closure, and can move on with their lives in some sort of peace, tho they never will be truly free of the horrible acts committed against them.

[Alysser]

Although it should have been sooner, GOOD!

[Catty1]

He's not smiling any more.


Former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky leaves the Centre County Courthouse after his conviction in his child sex abuse trial in Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, June 22, 2012. REUTERS
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[pomtzu]

He's not smiling any more.


Former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky leaves the Centre County Courthouse after his conviction in his child sex abuse trial in Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, June 22, 2012. REUTERS
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You bet he's not!

I'd be willing to bet that these 10 victims are just the tip of the iceberg, and that there are many, many more who chose not to come forward because they were too embarrassed to do so.

This creep ruined a lot of lives, and the reputation of a wonderful university. And all the negativity about Joe Paterno - well that was the icing on the cake. It's a shame that he went to his grave with all of that crap hanging over his head.

[sasvermont]

It is my understanding that State Prisons are much worse than Federal and local prisons. I also heard, long ago, that other prisoners do not like child molesters and will probably make his life in prison, miserable. Couldn't happen to a better guy, in my opinion. It will be interesting to see which prison he goes to and if he lives long once he gets there.

Just a horrible story. I am sure things like this happen all the time and we never learn about it. Just awful.

[pomtzu]

It is my understanding that State Prisons are much worse than Federal and local prisons. I also heard, long ago, that other prisoners do not like child molesters and will probably make his life in prison, miserable. Couldn't happen to a better guy, in my opinion. It will be interesting to see which prison he goes to and if he lives long once he gets there.

Just a horrible story. I am sure things like this happen all the time and we never learn about it. Just awful.

Unfortunately, no matter where he goes, he will have the "luxury" of extra protection, and will not be with the rest of the prison population - for his own protection of course. :mad: He wouldn't last long in the regular environment, tho he would deserve what other prisoners would dish out to him - like a dose of his own medicine.

[Catty1]

The article states his likely state of 'luxury', Pom:


He is expected to wind up in protective custody, away from the general population, for his own protection. That likely means 23 hours a day in a 6-by-8-foot cell. In other words, a concrete box of hell.

[pomtzu]

The article states his likely state of 'luxury', Pom:

I know - but that's still luxury compared to what he would get from his prison buddies. At least he'll be able to sit down without it hurting! :eek::p:D

[momcat]

I was a bit surprised that his adopted son came forward about being abused. According to a morning news report a few days ago, the prosecution told the defense they'd call his son to testify if Sandusky took the stand. I also find it hard to believe that his wife knew nothing about this when so much of it happened in her house while she was there. Nothing aroused her suspicion? As for what should happen to this cretin a former supervisor of mine had a pretty good idea - it involves an inexperienced proctologist with a very dull knife on the courthouse steps at high noon.

I just heard on the news that Sandusky is currently on suicide watch. While following the trial, I got the impression that he was convinced he'd get over and be totally acquitted of all charges.

[Lady's Human]

Unfortunately, no matter where he goes, he will have the "luxury" of extra protection, and will not be with the rest of the prison population - for his own protection of course. :mad: He wouldn't last long in the regular environment, tho he would deserve what other prisoners would dish out to him - like a dose of his own medicine.

John Geoghan was in solitary as well.....

He lasted about 2 years in jail until the inmates found a way to dispense their own justice......

[cassiesmom]

I wonder-- did he ever, even once, have a sense that what he was doing with those boys was just plain wrong? And is it truly possible that his wife absolutely had no idea what was going on? He was seen and heard by at least two other adults who supposedly spoke up -- why was nothing done at that time? It must have been very hard to be a whistle blower in the football program at Penn State. I suppose it can be hard to be a whistle blower anywhere- I hope I never have to find out. Man oh man. I hope he uses his time in the concrete box to think about all he had and all he's lost, and what he took away from those children.

[lizbud]

John Geoghan was in solitary as well.....

He lasted about 2 years in jail until the inmates found a way to dispense their own justice......


I had not heard about this ex-priest before. It seems he and Sandusky shared many of the same traits.
They both lived in their own little selfish world & couldn't see the harm they did to the children they preyed
upon.


I saw this article this afternoon. Don't know how true is is, but sounds about right.

http://now.msn.com/now/0624-sandusky-singing.aspx?ocid=ansnow11

[RICHARD]

Why do people feel the need to congregate out side a court house and treat a trial/jury decision like a sporting event?

I am amazed (puzzled) that people would go to the steps of public building to celebrate some slug getting convicted of a crime.

[Karen]

Why do people feel the need to congregate out side a court house and treat a trial/jury decision like a sporting event?

I am amazed (puzzled) that people would go to the steps of public building to celebrate some slug getting convicted of a crime.

After years of horror, and fear and thinking justice might never be done, I can see the victims and their families having a celebration of sorts, and do not begrudge them one bit. How do you think they should react?

[RICHARD]

After years of horror, and fear and thinking justice might never be done, I can see the victims and their families having a celebration of sorts, and do not begrudge them one bit. How do you think they should react?

I think a more private "gathering" is more appropriate.

I remember growing up and watching he news - the reaction to something like this was a reporter going to a home where a victim lived and being greeted by a 'spokesperson' who would kindly tell the camera that the family was not going to make any statement and please leave us/the premises so we can sort it out.

I just go back to the troublemakers in El Lay after the King/LAPD trial.

That was a free for all that, to this day, still leaves me wondering. Even tho the trial took place about 30 miles away from downtown? The Simi Valley law enforcement groups were well prepared, while the LAPD were not. It takes a few morons in the crowd to start a riot.

I remember right after the story broke, that the students really didn't behave themselves after Paterno was asked to leave. If, for some strange reason, JS had been aquitted and the students had taken to the streets around PSU?

I don't have any problem with people beginning the healing process...it's the New Year's/Times Square atmosphere that seems a little over the top.

:confused:

[redbird]

At least he was found guilty thank goodness. I'm still not over the Casey Anthony case, now that girl should be in jail also, she was guilty as hell.

[happylabs]

I think a more private "gathering" is more appropriate.

I remember growing up and watching he news - the reaction to something like this was a reporter going to a home where a victim lived and being greeted by a 'spokesperson' who would kindly tell the camera that the family was not going to make any statement and please leave us/the premises so we can sort it out.

I just go back to the troublemakers in El Lay after the King/LAPD trial.

That was a free for all that, to this day, still leaves me wondering. Even tho the trial took place about 30 miles away from downtown? The Simi Valley law enforcement groups were well prepared, while the LAPD were not. It takes a few morons in the crowd to start a riot.

I remember right after the story broke, that the students really didn't behave themselves after Paterno was asked to leave. If, for some strange reason, JS had been aquitted and the students had taken to the streets around PSU?

I don't have any problem with people beginning the healing process...it's the New Year's/Times Square atmosphere that seems a little over the top.

:confused:

Let me try to explain why I think this happened.

This was a unique situation. There are many people who idolize Penn State and who also idolized Joe Paterno. Although I live only an hour away from State College, I am not one of them.

This was a big deal here in Pennsylvania since the story originally broke that there was a grand jury investigation into the alleged abuse(s) and cover-up by Penn State officials.

I am not saying I agree with the big to-do that happened at the court house, but it is just human nature I guess. Many of the people that went to the court house to find out first hand about the verdict had ties to Penn State.

A lot of people thought Sandusky was going to go free. The whole story hit home for many people in this area.

I personally am glad it is over because I am tired of it dominating our local news every evening.

[Cataholic]

You bet he's not!

I'd be willing to bet that these 10 victims are just the tip of the iceberg, and that there are many, many more who chose not to come forward because they were too embarrassed to do so.

This creep ruined a lot of lives, and the reputation of a wonderful university. And all the negativity about Joe Paterno - well that was the icing on the cake. It's a shame that he went to his grave with all of that crap hanging over his head.


My limited knowledge of the facts of this horrible mess is that Joe Paterno knew or should have known this sort of thing was going on. Those that sit by, idly, allowing crimes to be perpetrated on animals or children deserve everything that the abuser got. IMO. I do not believe this whole situation was known by only two people- the abuser and the victim.

[pomtzu]

My limited knowledge of the facts of this horrible mess is that Joe Paterno knew or should have known this sort of thing was going on. Those that sit by, idly, allowing crimes to be perpetrated on animals or children deserve everything that the abuser got. IMO. I do not believe this whole situation was known by only two people- the abuser and the victim.

Yes - it was reported to him by McQuery, and JoePa in turn reported it to the head of the athletic department, and it seems the buck stopped there, as the higher-ups within the university that have now also been fired, hushed it up. JoePa should have taken it upon himself to file a police report tho, so he was remiss there. I just think it was a damn shame that the whole dirty mess focused on him in the beginning - like he was the offender - and not Sandusky. And Sandusky's wife???? - she's almost as guilty as he is IMO. If she hadn't been so worried about losing her comfortable lifestyle and reputation, she would have turned that sorry sucker in years ago, and saved a lot of heartache that destroyed a lot of people. Again - JMHO!

[RICHARD]

Let me try to explain why I think this happened.

This was a unique situation. There are many people who idolize Penn State and who also idolized Joe Paterno. Although I live only an hour away from State College, I am not one of them.

This was a big deal here in Pennsylvania since the story originally broke that there was a grand jury investigation into the alleged abuse(s) and cover-up by Penn State officials.

I am not saying I agree with the big to-do that happened at the court house, but it is just human nature I guess. Many of the people that went to the court house to find out first hand about the verdict had ties to Penn State.

A lot of people thought Sandusky was going to go free. The whole story hit home for many people in this area.

I personally am glad it is over because I am tired of it dominating our local news every evening.

Got it.

I do think that there is a macabre attraction to stuff like this.

People that are not connected to a case are the strange ones. There was a fight for seats at the Casey Anthony trial-that made me laugh.

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I do believe in justice and people paying for their crimes against a community.

I find that the press/media coverage goes way over the top to rattle the cage of the folks in whatever area the crime takes place.

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On the Paterno connection?

JP knew, or had info about what was going on. I thought that his informing the uni and whoever else that needed to know was just enough to 'protect' his program. There have been smaller scandals that have ruined collegiate sports programs.

What did the Duke Lacrosse scandal do to that program?

There is quite a bit of healing to be done. And it happens on different schedules.

I understand the need for a community/neighborhood to feel safer about a thug/criminal bring brought to justice.
It's the 'dancing on the grave' stuff that goes on that make me think we are going back to the middle ages....

I saw that the lawyer for JS was on the steps of the CH and people were getting kinda frisky while he was making a statement. By the same token? The Atty Gen comes out to applause and cheers.

Like, what did she do in the courtroom?

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Off topic?

Who was the woman who showed up at a courthouse and took out a jerk who had molested her son? She went to jail and ended up with breast cancer. I can see her face but cannot remember her name.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Got it.


By the same token? The Atty Gen comes out to applause and cheers.

Like, what did she do in the courtroom?



It is really very simple. The case may not have even been in the courtroom without her efforts.

[RICHARD]

It is really very simple. The case may not have even been in the courtroom without her efforts.

You misunderstood the question......the lawyers did all the scut work and that makes her a vital cog in the system?

I got my degree from watching reruns of Law and Order. She would have sent out the lawyers, had they lost.

In the end it just adds to the 'show' and gives her brownie points, it worked for Kathryn Harris.;)

[Edwina's Secretary]

You misunderstood the question......the lawyers did all the scut work and that makes her a vital cog in the system?


Perhaps you misunderstand the process. She took over the case and got it through the grand jury process - against some rather significant political odds. The Attorney General is the "supervisor" of the case. Making decisions - planning stategy - overall responsibility.

Indeed a VERY vital cog in the system.

Perhaps a little less T.V. - a little more real world would aid in understanding how it works.

[Catty1]

RICHARD - Ellie Nesler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellie_Nesler

She died in 2008.

[RICHARD]

Perhaps you misunderstand the process. She took over the case and got it through the grand jury process - against some rather significant political odds. The Attorney General is the "supervisor" of the case. Making decisions - planning stategy - overall responsibility.

Indeed a VERY vital cog in the system.

Perhaps a little less T.V. - a little more real world would aid in understanding how it works.

Is she like the old man Jack McCoy works for? He sits in his office and just decides stuff instead of actually trying the case, then at the end takes the credit?

Oh, so it is just like on T.V.

Without the commercials for lawyers looking to sue companies for bad mesh, spinal surgeries and car crashes.

I've lived in the real world way too much.

I use snark to make a point. I'm sorry people don't have their snark-o-meters in for a 10,000 mile tuneup.:love:

[RICHARD]

RICHARD - Ellie Nesler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellie_Nesler

She died in 2008.

Thanks,

I for the life of me, could not remember her name.

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I do like to watch the clip shows of people going off in a courthouse, does that count as fake or real TV?;)

[Edwina's Secretary]

To paraphrase another make-believe character..."snark* is as snark does."

I cannot understand anyone cutting Paterno any slack. A leader? Please. He is given information that someone on his team is possibly raping children...in "his" facility. His only response is to report it to his superiors??? Not even a follow up call..."Say...did you find anything out about this guy who works for me who may be raping children?" Wouldn't he want to know if this allegation - rather heinous - was true or false? If it was false - wanting to clear his name - if it was true - to get him out of there!!! I just cannot imagine if someon who worked for me was accused of such a thing that reporting it to my superiors would relieve my conscious of all responsibility.

To him a game - a game with grown men running up and down a field and jumping on each other - was more important than saving children from rape.

[RICHARD]

People jumping up and down hugging each other like they are at a sporting event, when in fact it's the end of a real court case does put it into perspective.

[happylabs]

To paraphrase another make-believe character..."snark* is as snark does."

I cannot understand anyone cutting Paterno any slack. A leader? Please. He is given information that someone on his team is possibly raping children...in "his" facility. His only response is to report it to his superiors??? Not even a follow up call..."Say...did you find anything out about this guy who works for me who may be raping children?" Wouldn't he want to know if this allegation - rather heinous - was true or false? If it was false - wanting to clear his name - if it was true - to get him out of there!!! I just cannot imagine if someon who worked for me was accused of such a thing that reporting it to my superiors would relieve my conscious of all responsibility.

To him a game - a game with grown men running up and down a field and jumping on each other - was more important than saving children from rape.

I totally agree with you on this! Paterno should have been more diligent with the situation when he first heard about it. I truly believe he did not want to scar Penn State's "good name". This was swept under the rug on purpose. I know a lot of Penn State fans and lovers of Paterno will rant and rave if they read this but I don't really care.

[pomtzu]

So JoePa still takes the heat from the grave, in spite of the fact that there were allegations against Sandusky made to authorities some years before the McQuery/Paterno "enlightenment", and nothing was done at that time. Paterno was still THE bad guy tho - years after the ORIGINAL fact. Is he innocent of any wrong doing??? - NO. But he sure didn't deserve what he ended up getting.

And this isn't a rant/rave post - JMHO. It's best if I leave this thread, since I've stated enough of my opinions. :eek:

[RICHARD]

I totally agree with you on this! Paterno should have been more diligent with the situation when he first heard about it. I truly believe he did not want to scar Penn State's "good name". This was swept under the rug on purpose. I know a lot of Penn State fans and lovers of Paterno will rant and rave if they read this but I don't really care.

That is the reason that PSU wants the cases to be settled ASAP.

They did nothing but dodge the facts.

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On the day that the OJ Simpson trial verdict was read, I was in a meeting for my job.

During the trial I was able to watch most of the coverage and I was interested in the verdict.

Why?

A few years earlier I watched people in El Lay burn almost burn the place down - to this day there are open spots along the main drags that are concrete slabs where people and businesses stood. I was pretty sure if that creep was tossed into the clink, the same thing would happend.

Someone came into the room and told us that the verdict was in and we could watch it in one of the media rooms.

We all made our way in and started to watch the tube.

I took up a place along the wall and a woman came up and stood next to me. That kinda irritated me, because I wanted to judge the reaction of everyone in the room.

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The room got still and the two things that i remember most vivdly is Robert Kardashian looking like someone kicked him in the gonads and the woman next to me.

I felt her jostle me and I looked over to see her face.

Her eyes were wide open and she was smiling while doing a little victory jig.

I thought to myself, "WTF is THAT all about?"

The coverage cut to shots of reactions at some kind of law school were half the audience was cheering, hooting and clapping.

I have to say that is what embarassed me to be a human and Angleno, not in that order, but close enough.

The media played up all the angles, except the basic fact that two people were killed.

El Lay and the people who lived there were on pins and needles waiting for the results.

The verdict was a joke, but the way people 'celebrated' it left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

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Years before, I was a member of a jury that before being excused, we were asked if we wanted to meet with the lawyers, for some reason they wanted to talk to us and get some info about the deliberations.

Before we went out, the foreperson and two other women were shaking with excitement about getting to talk with them. One said, "Good, I don't have to go back to work today...."

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I think I prefer TV courtrooms to the real life BS when 'real' people are involved.

There is no more decorum, common sense or thought for each other when real crap like this happens. It's all a tragedy and instead of soaking it in and learning from it?

People celebrate it like it's something good.

Yes, there should be relief that people are held accountable for their actions, but a group of people standing around and making light of a courtroom verdict, make me nervous.

We may as well go back to the Wild West and start public executions all over again.

That would give the crown a more instant kind of gratification and think of the souvenir sales?:(:rolleyes:

[Cataholic]

To him a game - a game with grown men running up and down a field and jumping on each other - was more important than saving children from rape.

Where the heck is the 'LIKE' button on here? So freaking true it is ridiculous. "JoPaw" is as bad as the perpetrator, IMO. Dead or not (sorry, Ellie!!), this guy took the lame, easy, cowardly way out, all for the love of sports. Sad.

Not to say others also weren't culpable, but Joe Paterno was a 'leader', a 'hero'....and a big, fat, chickenshat.

[RICHARD]

MSNBC is reporting that Paterno will be arrested and put on trial as soon as he can be located.

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I can hardly wait for Dick Wolf to do the screenplay.

[Edwina's Secretary]

But he sure didn't deserve what he ended up getting.

I could not agree with you more. If this guy was any "leader" other than a college football coach - if he was a teacher or a principal or a businessperson or a politician - the remonstration would have been far, far greater.

[Cataholic]

I see that Penn States own internal investigation found Paterno, among others, guilty of cover up. Tens years of knowledge, and all those innocent children. Sick.

[pomtzu]

I see that Penn States own internal investigation found Paterno, among others, guilty of cover up. Tens years of knowledge, and all those innocent children. Sick.

You're correct Jo, and I admit when I'm wrong. It's just a shame JP made those bad choices that will forever overshadow all the good he did over the years. Sad for his family, and tragic for the victims. I wonder how this would all play out if he was still alive.

[RICHARD]

An interesting point?

My roomie said, in passing, had JP turned in Sandusky rather than covering up the incidents?

He'd be hailed as a hero or someone who put honor before a game.

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One thing that stuck in my craw about the whole deal?

All the good coaches who are going to be put under the microscope because of that moron.

Also, why were children allowed onto a college campus?

I understand the desire to show kids what a great college experience can be had, but why wasn't Sandusky
checked up on, especially after the first reports of his molesting kids?

[pomtzu]

I understand the desire to show kids what a great college experience can be had, but why wasn't Sandusky
checked up on, especially after the first reports of his molesting kids?

Because those that were in the position to do so, chose just to turn their heads, slap Sandusky on the wrist and tell him not to do it again, and then go about their life as usual routine - all for the sake of money. Tell Sandusky not to do it again??? - sure, just like an alcoholic will comply if you simply tell him not to have anything else to drink. :rolleyes:

[Cataholic]

You're correct Jo, and I admit when I'm wrong. It's just a shame JP made those bad choices that will forever overshadow all the good he did over the years. Sad for his family, and tragic for the victims. I wonder how this would all play out if he was still alive.

Pom- you are entitled to your opinion, and that doesn't mean you are 'wrong' if the powers that be determine otherwise. Personally, I have a hard time believing he didn't know a lot more than he let on. I played a college sport, and while it wasn't football (LOL), everyone knew what everyone was doing, from other players, to the trainors, to the assistant coaches (and their wives), all the way up to the AD. I think Sandusky's wife is to blame, too.

[Cataholic]

One thing that stuck in my craw about the whole deal?

All the good coaches who are going to be put under the microscope because of that moron.

Also, why were children allowed onto a college campus?

I understand the desire to show kids what a great college experience can be had, but why wasn't Sandusky
checked up on, especially after the first reports of his molesting kids?

All coaches, no strike that, all PEOPLE that are directly involved with children, should be put under the microscope. From parents to priests, from coaches to teachers, ALL of them should be put under the microscope. Those without pedophiliac tendencies would welcome to close scrutiny. In Scouting- and no question there have been problems in the organization - they have something called two deep leadership. Never, under any circumstance, should an adult (not the child's parent) be one on one with a youth. Never. I volunteered one day at J's camp this summer, and I don't know how many times I caught myself thinking, "am I ok in this situation"? Was it a hassle at some point? Yes, because it got in the way of just living normally. But, it was the absolute rule, and one I observed to the nth degree.

Other than family- J doesn't go alone with anyone, anywhere. And, yeah, I realize family is a big issue, you just have to know who/what is safe. And, talk, talk, talk about inappropriate conduct, and encourage the child to never, ever, ever go off alone with someone, and respecting boundaries.

I hate this is the world we live in. But, I hate even more that children go through this.

[RICHARD]

All coaches, no strike that, all PEOPLE that are directly involved with children, should be put under the microscope. From parents to priests, from coaches to teachers, ALL of them should be put under the microscope. Those without pedophiliac tendencies would welcome to close scrutiny. In Scouting- and no question there have been problems in the organization - they have something called two deep leadership. Never, under any circumstance, should an adult (not the child's parent) be one on one with a youth. Never. I volunteered one day at J's camp this summer, and I don't know how many times I caught myself thinking, "am I ok in this situation"? Was it a hassle at some point? Yes, because it got in the way of just living normally. But, it was the absolute rule, and one I observed to the nth degree.

Other than family- J doesn't go alone with anyone, anywhere. And, yeah, I realize family is a big issue, you just have to know who/what is safe. And, talk, talk, talk about inappropriate conduct, and encourage the child to never, ever, ever go off alone with someone, and respecting boundaries.

I hate this is the world we live in. But, I hate even more that children go through this.

The Chinese and Russians (maybe Richard Branson soon?) are the only ones putting people into space.
I'd love to take that ride. I hate this planet at times, too.

I was a camp counselor for one summer and did a few week long outings with kids...And I thought the very same thought...

"Am I o.k.?"

You know you are o.k., but it takes one incident to put you under the spotlight.

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I just read a story where some kind of counselor/teacher made contact with a student---the kid claimed the teacher fondled his breasts, the teach said he put his hand out to stop the kid - and the teach was being dragged over the coals for sex abuse. Someplace in between the truth exists.

It's one extreme to another.

Some kids -devious little effers - know enough to scream when something is wrong, others do it when nothing is wrong, then you have the kids who are so hurt by what an adult has done to them, they don't trust anyone and they suffer needlessly.

I do wonder why so many kids - 9? - were let to hang out with this idiot and noone complained.

Usually one of the children will blow the whistle on stuff like that, In this Case? you have a bunch of adults who dropped the ball.

morons.