I've sometimes joked about the "Red Green Daycare", but I never thought....

[Catty1]

http://chzparentingfails.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/crazy-parenting-fails-duct-tape-solves-every-problem.jpg

(Reference is to the Red Green TV show, where he created and fixed practically everything with duct tape).

[pomtzu]

And this hasn't been reported as child abuse - yet??? Maybe it's supposed to be funny, but what message does that send? It could give a lot of slightly unbalanced people an idea they never thought of. I've actually seen cases reported where mothers (or others), have actually used duct tape in similar situations on children. :mad:

[happylabs]

And this hasn't been reported as child abuse - yet??? Maybe it's supposed to be funny, but what message does that send? It could give a lot of slightly unbalanced people an idea they never thought of. I've actually seen cases reported where mothers (or others), have actually used duct tape in similar situations on children. :mad:

I agree. Not funny at all. I wasn't going to post a response until I saw yours. I thought the exact thing...copy cat people will do this to their kid. We have so many cases of child abuse in our news lately I just do not understand. Parents are becoming less and less interested in their children and they also seem to not have a clue as to how to raise them. :(

[sasvermont]

I am not as offended as the other two posting folks. I find the photo a bit odd but a tad funny. I think they are guilty of bad taste though. I would not post this in a public area.

Not many people would consider doing this to a child, but many a parent would like to have their child stay putt by any means.

If anyone with a child is persuaded to do this simply by this photo, then they shouldn't have a child.

I love kids just as much as the next guy.

The baby in the photo does not look distressed and does not look abused. I think these folks were trying to be funny. Failed.

[pomtzu]

Yes - I know someone was trying to be funny, but seeing any human or animal depicted in a situation that could be considered cruel or abusive, is offensive to me. There's enough cruelty/abuse in the real world without making jokes about it. JMHO of course. :(

[Lady's Human]

I don't know how many times I've threatened to do just that to the kids.

The difference between the pic and how many parents treat kids is what exactly? There's no difference between that and sticking them in front of the TV in their swing.

[sparks19]

I don't understand what is cruel or abusive about this? stupid? yeah lol cruel? I don't think so. it looks like they were very careful to make sure none of the tape was touching any exposed skin, the child looks like they are sitting just as they would in many of the back packs and front carriers parents wear them in and doesn't seem to be uncomfortable. What is the risk to the child? What is the abuse exactly? What about it is cruel? stupid, yes, not a bright idea, absolutely... but child abuse? I don't think so.

[finn's mom]

I am not as offended as the other two posting folks. . . I think they are guilty of bad taste though. . .

If anyone with a child is persuaded to do this simply by this photo, then they shouldn't have a child.


Agreed! I laughed when I saw it. Doesn't mean I'm a bad person. I wouldn't personally do this, even as a joke, but I don't find it offensive, either.

[finn's mom]

There's no difference between that and sticking them in front of the TV in their swing.

I wouldn't say there's NO difference, but I do pretty much agree with this statement. ;) So many people think nothing of leaving a child strapped in a seat or high chair for hours in front of a TV, and that's more abusive (even if it's not physically) than this silliness.

Now, if they left this baby in this situation for longer than the few minutes it took them to do it and photograph it, I'd be bothered. Not saying they did or didn't, because obviously, there's no way to know how long the child was taped to the wall. She looks completely content here. As does her duck pal.

I'm not making fun of those who think this is cruel, nor am i making light of child abuse (including the situations where the parent has used duct tape to harm a child), everyone has different senses of humor, different thresholds for what's offensive and not. I am personally not offended by it.

[pomtzu]

I don't understand what is cruel or abusive about this? stupid? yeah lol cruel? I don't think so. it looks like they were very careful to make sure none of the tape was touching any exposed skin, the child looks like they are sitting just as they would in many of the back packs and front carriers parents wear them in and doesn't seem to be uncomfortable. What is the risk to the child? What is the abuse exactly? What about it is cruel? stupid, yes, not a bright idea, absolutely... but child abuse? I don't think so.

IMPLIED is the key word. I never said it was cruel or abusive to THIS child, but it does depict it. IMO.........

[Karen]

There are stupid people everywhere, and I have seen in the news, stories of parents who put duct tape over a child's mouth, etc., and then posted pictures on the Internet, and were justly prosecuted.

But this photo looks pretty carefully done, and maybe when the child grows up, she'll be one of the girls who makes her prom dress out of duct tape - there's a competition for that every year!

[sana]

Its kind of funny, but, I hope they brought the kid down soon. :)

[Alysser]

I don't think it's cruel either. But it's not a very bright idea to post it on the internet for everyone to see either.

[happylabs]

I don't understand what is cruel or abusive about this? stupid? yeah lol cruel? I don't think so. it looks like they were very careful to make sure none of the tape was touching any exposed skin, the child looks like they are sitting just as they would in many of the back packs and front carriers parents wear them in and doesn't seem to be uncomfortable. What is the risk to the child? What is the abuse exactly? What about it is cruel? stupid, yes, not a bright idea, absolutely... but child abuse? I don't think so.


I don't think it's cruel either. But it's not a very bright idea to post it on the internet for everyone to see either.

Let's put it this way...have you ever tried to unstick anything that you have duct taped? It is not easy. What was the baby doing the whole time these idiots were doing this to the child?

It is very different than putting a child in a back pack or front carrier because you just slip the child into the carrier. It would take quite some time to tear off all of that duct tape and get a child that size to stay stuck to the wall.

I honestly cannot believe the mentality, or lack thereof, of parents these days.

[Lady's Human]

I work on machinery for a living, I have used duct tape for many applications. It would take no more than a couple minutes to do what is depicted.

It's easy to remove quickly. Looking at the way this was done, it looks as if they had a pouch set up on the wall. Four quick slices with a knife and the kids is free.

Much ado about nothing, and frankly, the child doesn't look upset at all.

[Alysser]

Actually, I've never had much trouble removing duct tape off anything. And as said, the baby doesnt look distressed or harmed in anyway. The parents at least made it just like those pouches. I'm not saying I would do it, heck I would never do it. It's stupid and it can get you into legal trouble if the wrong crowd sees it. It is a little distasteful but it truthfully can't be defined as cruel. I've seen much worse pictures on the Internet.

[pomtzu]

It appears that the point I was trying to make, went over everybody's head, with the exception of happylabs'.

I was only trying to say that this is a wrong message to be sending and posting on the web. And IMO - it does IMPLY cruelty/abuse. I presume that most folks here understand the meaning of IMPLY. :rolleyes: No question in my mind that this particular child wasn't harmed, however, being that there are so many copycats out there, it could give them ideas, whether it be done as a "funny", or as punishment (or whatever).

And maybe I missed the concept of "Pet Talk" somewhere in my travels too. Do we really need to be posting things such as this on a pet forum?

[happylabs]

It appears that the point I was trying to make, went over everybody's head, with the exception of happylabs'.

I was only trying to say that this is a wrong message to be sending and posting on the web. And IMO - it does IMPLY cruelty/abuse. I presume that most folks here understand the meaning of IMPLY. :rolleyes: No question in my mind that this particular child wasn't harmed, however, being that there are so many copycats out there, it could give them ideas, whether it be done as a "funny", or as punishment (or whatever).

And maybe I missed the concept of "Pet Talk" somewhere in my travels too. Do we really need to be posting things such as this on a pet forum?

Yes, sadly, your point was missed by most.

If you want to see something really scary, google "duct tape baby". There have been other parents who have done this sort of thing and been charged and jailed.

Since this involves duct tape and a baby, it probably belongs in a handyman forum or a parenting one.

[Karen]

I did not miss her point, I simply did not agree with it! As I said, there will always be stupid people out there, and thankfully, those who have used duct tape for actual abuse have been prosecuted, at least the ones that made the news.

And "General" is for non-pet-related stuff, including parenting!

[Sowa]

What your saying sorta makes me think of the same idea of kids watching violence on TV makes them violent. I think those kids would be violent regardless of TV, and same with anyone who sees this image. If they're going to be cruel to their child they'll do it regardless of things they see on the net. If it's not this, it's something else.

[Lady's Human]

If seeing that image posted on the web is going to make you do something, please, just surrender your children to the proper authorities or don't have them to begin with. For that matter, please try not to play with sharp knives, and don't turn your television to anything other than ......well, wait, even PBS shows suggestive content. Nevermind, just don't turn it on.

[pomtzu]

Well shut my mouth! So sorry to live in the land of reality. I'll remember in the future to not make waves here. :rolleyes:

As Richard says:

DONE!
(almost)

[Sowa]

Well shut my mouth! So sorry to live in the land of reality. I'll remember in the future to not make waves here. :rolleyes:

As Richard says:

DONE!

So we're not allowed our own opinion too? I'm not trying to be mean or rude, but it sorta seems that way.

[Alysser]

I didn't mean to offend anyone, truthfully I didn't. I won't apologize for having a different opinion then anyone. I didn't miss anyone's point, I read all the posts thoroughly. I just didn't agree with it. I agree it is stupid, it's really really stupid, but I don't think it implies cruelty. I don't have anything against anyone else's opinion. There's no reason to get mad, really there isn't. We were simply disagreeing, not bashing.

[pomtzu]

So we're not allowed our own opinion too? I'm not trying to be mean or rude, but it sorta seems that way.

I don't believe I said that, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Everyone has an opinion - just as everyone has an %$##%$&@##. Well - you know the end to that, don't you? And don't you know that things aren't always what they seem??? Please don't twist my words into meanings that were never stated. :mad: I stated my views, but NEVER said that other people's were wrong, and I did say IMO/JMHO in more than one post on this subject.

[Lady's Human]

I honestly cannot believe the mentality, or lack thereof, of parents these days.

There's a difference.

Saying I believe this is abuse and shouldn't be posted is opinion.

Saying the above, which is questioning the parenting abilities and aptitude of those who found it amusing is bashing.

[happylabs]

There's a difference.

Saying I believe this is abuse and shouldn't be posted is opinion.

Saying the above, which is questioning the parenting abilities and aptitude of those who found it amusing is bashing.

I believe that statement of mine was directed towards the parents or caretakers of that child in the photo. However, if you want to take it out of context, that is your choice.

I stand by my opinion of the photo.

The end...

[Karen]

Hey, it's okay to disagree. After all, we all agree that our pets are important, and that's the one thing we all have in common. Everything else we can disagree about, as long as we remain civil!

[Sowa]

I don't believe I said that, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Everyone has an opinion - just as everyone has an %$##%$&@##. Well - you know the end to that, don't you? And don't you know that things aren't always what they seem??? Please don't twist my words into meanings that were never stated. :mad: I stated my views, but NEVER said that other people's were wrong, and I did say IMO/JMHO in more than one post on this subject.

Ok, I apologize. I wasn't trying to twist your words.

[pomtzu]

Ok, I apologize. I wasn't trying to twist your words.

Thank you, and let me apologize for being so snippy. It was not my intention to argue with anyone, however you just pushed the wrong button. I have very deep-seated reasons why I see red when anyone says I said/did something that I didn't say/do, and it stems back to my childhood. Some things I guess we can never let go of completely, and that's one of them for me. :(

[Asiel]

Thank you, and let me apologize for being so snippy. It was not my intention to argue with anyone, however you just pushed the wrong button. I have very deep-seated reasons why I see red when anyone says I said/did something that I didn't say/do, and it stems back to my childhood. Some things I guess we can never let go of completely, and that's one of them for me. :(


No need to apologize-the reason I didn't post about that picture is that I also have deep-seated reasons for seeing red at a such a distasteful picture, if nothing else it shows a lack of intelligent judgement for someone to even think of doing something as stupid as this and finding it funny. You'd better believe how many morons will get ideas from seeing this.

[pomtzu]

No need to apologize-the reason I didn't post about that picture is that I also have deep-seated reasons for seeing red at a such a distasteful picture, if nothing else it shows a lack of intelligent judgement for someone to even think of doing something as stupid as this and finding it funny. You'd better believe how many morons will get ideas from seeing this.

LOL. I wasn't apologizing for my views on this subject - they remain the same. I was apologizing to Sowa for snipping at her. :eek:

[Catty1]

I perhaps could have been clearer - this pic was posted on a Cheezburger site called "Parenting Fails". In that context I found it amusing because I knew it was not to be taken seriously - and the site managers would have contact info for the posters if they had concerns. If it was posted in another context, I too would wonder!

[sparks19]

yes I too understood what previous posters meant... I just don't agree :)

and that's A OK

I don't think this photo is going to create child abuse. the people who are going to abuse their kids are already doing it... I highly doubt anyone is going to stumble upon that photo and be like "HEY this would be a great way to abuse my kids.". Will some idiot see it and maybe think to try it? it's possible but I still don't see it causing any real harm to any real children.

I am also not a fan of punishing people because other people are stupid lol. I'm not going to not do something because someone who is stupid might see it and do it incorrectly. I think we should take all the warnings off labels and let the "stupid people" problem take care of itself rather than trying to protect these people from themselves lol.

On a serious note though... I just don't see this photo causing any future abuse of other children. abusers will abuse... no photo is going to make or break that

[finn's mom]

No point so far made has gone over my head. Just an FYI to anyone who thought differently. ;)

[Cataholic]

Never, ever underestimate the stupidity of people. This was in my home town this past weekend, and it references another dumb act involving painter's tape.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57363831-504083/man-accused-of-binding-daughter-in-duct-tape-locking-her-in-dog-cage/

[pomtzu]

Never, ever underestimate the stupidity of people. This was in my home town this past weekend, and it references another dumb act involving painter's tape.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57363831-504083/man-accused-of-binding-daughter-in-duct-tape-locking-her-in-dog-cage/

And I rest my case...............

[Asiel]

Good grief...I guess I can rest my case also. This is besides some of the other horrors happening every day.

[Lady's Human]

Just ban the product. After all, its existence it the real cause of these stories.

No tape, no child abuse!

[Edwina's Secretary]

That case also involves a dog cage - those must also be banned and people who have posted "cute" photos of their kid climbing in the dog cage held accountable!

And he threatened to use electricity - so that should be banned too?

Political correctness (and censorship) take many forms.

[Karen]

Methinks this is the same silliness as always. If you ban one weapon people will find another. Rope existed before tape, swords before guns, etc, etc. If we just ban those pesky humans ... then the whole world would be politically correct, right? ;)

[finn's mom]

Never, ever underestimate the stupidity of people. This was in my home town this past weekend, and it references another dumb act involving painter's tape.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57363831-504083/man-accused-of-binding-daughter-in-duct-tape-locking-her-in-dog-cage/

Says he did this as punishment . . . not sure how it can also be a "joke that went too far". I never personally doubted that in many cases duct tape can be and is used to cause harm. I'd already heard several cases of these punishments.

My ONLY point is that the particular photo on this thread didn't offend me.

[pomtzu]

My ONLY point is that the particular photo on this thread didn't offend me.

And my ONLY point is that I found it offensive and inappropriate and suggestive. I never said anything about banning duct tape or dog cages or electricity, as one poster :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: mentioned. Puh-leeze!!!!! - give me credit for having some intelligence, regardless of what some people may think!

[Taz_Zoee]

The whole duct tape things just leads me back to the Anthony case and that just makes me sick.

I don't think this photo is "that" bad. Plus, she does have her stuffed animal with her....:D :p (just trying to lighten the mood).

[Buddy_Lee]

Tallahasee made a wallet out of duct tape with his son Buck.:p

[Cataholic]

Says he did this as punishment . . . not sure how it can also be a "joke that went too far". I never personally doubted that in many cases duct tape can be and is used to cause harm. I'd already heard several cases of these punishments.

My ONLY point is that the particular photo on this thread didn't offend me.


Someone said something about how no one would do something like this (duct tape) simply because they saw a picture of something like this (duct tape). I was merely suggesting that we should never underestimate the stupidity of people. Someone thought it was an appropriate punishment to duct tape a child's appendages, put them in a dog crate, and drip water on them. To me, punishment or not, that is stupidity.

I love practical jokes. I am the joker of the office. Duct taping a child to a wall as a joke or as a punishment or as a way to say, "I can do this" seems like a bad choice to me.

It reminds me of the late Michael Jackson, and his mistake of dangling his baby over a ledge/from a window. I don't doubt for a moment he didn't intend to place his child in danger. I don't doubt for a moment he thought of the public's perception of it. I think he made a poor choice. I have made plenty of them myself. I do go out of my way to limit them, and I would certainly never broadcast them on the internet.

I disagree with people that say this won't lead to someone else doing it. I think when we are exposed to photos like these, we lose a bit of the "what was she thinking" reaction. We see things (not just this photo) over and over again, and we become de-sensitized to them. That is what I think photos like these can do. De-sensitize us to conduct, and push the bounds of conduct. Eventually, it gets out of hand. It's 'ok' to do this to a child, and look, there is a stuffed animal in the picture, so we know it is all in good fun. Let's see if we can do it for 30 minutes. Wait! Let's see if she eventually falls asleep.

Watch the news, stupid stuff -that begins innocently enough- gets out of hand all the time. Why is locking a child in a dog crate any different than placing the child in a play pen? Because it seems wrong. We can't articulate it fully, but it just seems worse. That is how I see this picture. Was the baby harmed? I don't think so. Did it take 2 minutes to do this (which is kinda hard to believe), and did they immediately take the baby down? Maybe. It still just seems wrong.

[Taz_Zoee]

I just saw a photo on Facebook of a guy duct taped to a tree. Supposedly he is a PETA member and they chose to rally about leather at a motorcycle event and the bikers taped him to a tree.
I'm sorry...........but that one was funny.

[Cataholic]

I just saw a photo on Facebook of a guy duct taped to a tree. Supposedly he is a PETA member and they chose to rally about leather at a motorcycle event and the bikers taped him to a tree.
I'm sorry...........but that one was funny.


I am pretty sure that was all made up. A staged event, with a willing adult. At least according to www.snopes.com, anyhow.

[pomtzu]

Someone said something about how no one would do something like this (duct tape) simply because they saw a picture of something like this (duct tape). I was merely suggesting that we should never underestimate the stupidity of people. Someone thought it was an appropriate punishment to duct tape a child's appendages, put them in a dog crate, and drip water on them. To me, punishment or not, that is stupidity.

I love practical jokes. I am the joker of the office. Duct taping a child to a wall as a joke or as a punishment or as a way to say, "I can do this" seems like a bad choice to me.

It reminds me of the late Michael Jackson, and his mistake of dangling his baby over a ledge/from a window. I don't doubt for a moment he didn't intend to place his child in danger. I don't doubt for a moment he thought of the public's perception of it. I think he made a poor choice. I have made plenty of them myself. I do go out of my way to limit them, and I would certainly never broadcast them on the internet.

I disagree with people that say this won't lead to someone else doing it. I think when we are exposed to photos like these, we lose a bit of the "what was she thinking" reaction. We see things (not just this photo) over and over again, and we become de-sensitized to them. That is what I think photos like these can do. De-sensitize us to conduct, and push the bounds of conduct. Eventually, it gets out of hand. It's 'ok' to do this to a child, and look, there is a stuffed animal in the picture, so we know it is all in good fun. Let's see if we can do it for 30 minutes. Wait! Let's see if she eventually falls asleep.

Watch the news, stupid stuff -that begins innocently enough- gets out of hand all the time. Why is locking a child in a dog crate any different than placing the child in a play pen? Because it seems wrong. We can't articulate it fully, but it just seems worse. That is how I see this picture. Was the baby harmed? I don't think so. Did it take 2 minutes to do this (which is kinda hard to believe), and did they immediately take the baby down? Maybe. It still just seems wrong.


Thank you Johanna. You hit the nail on the head. Take a bow.

Maybe I should shut my mouth, but why start now................

I find it pathetic that people are up in arms over a comment made by a CT mayor, in which he said "I might eat tacos", when asked how he would support the Latino community, yet people (in general-not referring to any posters here), find that pics of kids being bound in various ways with duct tape is funny, and they are posting them all over the internet. :mad: What's wrong with that scenario?
I found what the mayor said as rather funny, and it certainly didn't imply or suggest, any physical harm or abuse. Yet people are outraged by his statement. Why aren't people outraged by these pictures, and why do so many people find them funny??? I'm Italian, and if someone said they might eat pizza in support of the Italian community, I would laugh at that too!!! I still find nothing to laugh at in those pictures.

OMG - where is this country of ours headed??? :(

[Lady's Human]

Thank you Johanna. You hit the nail on the head. Take a bow.

Maybe I should shut my mouth, but why start now................

I find it pathetic that people are up in arms over a comment made by a CT mayor, in which he said "I might eat tacos", when asked how he would support the Latino community, yet people (in general-not referring to any posters here), find that pics of kids being bound in various ways with duct tape is funny, and they are posting them all over the internet. :mad: What's wrong with that scenario?
I found what the mayor said as rather funny, and it certainly didn't imply or suggest, any physical harm or abuse. Yet people are outraged by his statement. Why aren't people outraged by these pictures, and why do so many people find them funny??? I'm Italian, and if someone said they might eat pizza in support of the Italian community, I would laugh at that too!!! I still find nothing to laugh at in those pictures.

OMG - where is this country of ours headed??? :(

The Mayor you refer to is in charge of a police department that is under investigation for major civil rights abuses relating to their treatment of the hispanic population in the city. "I might eat tacos" is hardly humor, it's equivalent of saying I don't give a damn.

I find the pictures funny as I can easily see how they could be done with no harm to anyone, and the pic the OP posted doesn't show harm or abuse.

As to uses for duct tape, I'm guilty. I once duct taped a Lieutenant to his rack. I guess I'm guilty of officer abuse. Toss me in the jailhouse, I'm a potential abuser.

Maybe they should introduce a parental ID, and if you're a parent you're not allowed to buy duct tape, extension cords or rope of any sort just in case there might be the remote possibility that the person could use them in a crime of abuse.

[pomtzu]

Again - it was failed to note that I stated IMPLY - just as I have said all along. Sheesh.............
Selective reading???????

[Lady's Human]

I understood your statement perfectly.

I simply disagree with elected representatives making dismissive statements about the population they are elected to represent.

[Karen]

I found what the mayor said as rather funny, and it certainly didn't imply or suggest, any physical harm or abuse. Yet people are outraged by his statement. Why aren't people outraged by these pictures, and why do so many people find them funny??? I'm Italian, and if someone said they might eat pizza in support of the Italian community, I would laugh at that too!!! I still find nothing to laugh at in those pictures.

OMG - where is this country of ours headed??? :(

Did you read the back story behind the situation? Or just that one news piece? There's much more to it than the "tacos" statement, which I didn't find funny, just plain stupid. And there are discriminatory choices in place - you are Italian, if you lived in a city where it was half Italian, but only, say, Asians were allowed to be police officers, might you not be a bit touchy if an Asian official commented about meatballs?

[Cataholic]

Good gravy! Perhaps it is just my area of the country that believes duct tape is appropriate for children! This one was taped to the floor.

http://http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/region_northern_kentucky/ludlow/Police-Day-care-worker-taped-child-to-floor

[Edwina's Secretary]

I would equate the mayor's statement to that attributed to Marie-Antoinette- "Let them eat cake." It implied she didn't give a hoot that the people were starving.

The mayor implied, with his statement, that he didn't give a hoot about the hispanic population in his city.

Let's make the Italian example. A police department is accused of targeting citizens of Italian descent because they are of Italian descent. The mayor is asked what she is going to do to help the Italian community and she says..."eat lasagna."

[Lady's Human]

There's a difference, ES. Marie's comment is apocryphal. The good mayor's comment was live.

[Cataholic]

There's a difference, ES. Marie's comment is apocryphal. The good mayor's comment was live.

While I can agree it is the sign of the digital times, I think most people do attribute that statement to Marie Antionette. Plus, I heard it in a movie, so I know it was said by her.

[Edwina's Secretary]

There's a difference, ES. Marie's comment is apocryphal. The good mayor's comment was live.

That's where the "attributed to" comes in. And since I wasn't there...and I suspect you weren't either...we can go with Cataholic's "heard it in the movies." ;):D

[Lady's Human]

That's where the "attributed to" comes in. And since I wasn't there...and I suspect you weren't either...we can go with Cataholic's "heard it in the movies." ;):D

You weren't there? You sure about that? :p

[Edwina's Secretary]

You weren't there? You sure about that? :p

You found me out! I was the one in the front row with the knitting needles and balls of yarn...

[Asiel]

Someone said something about how no one would do something like this (duct tape) simply because they saw a picture of something like this (duct tape). I was merely suggesting that we should never underestimate the stupidity of people. Someone thought it was an appropriate punishment to duct tape a child's appendages, put them in a dog crate, and drip water on them. To me, punishment or not, that is stupidity.

I love practical jokes. I am the joker of the office. Duct taping a child to a wall as a joke or as a punishment or as a way to say, "I can do this" seems like a bad choice to me.

It reminds me of the late Michael Jackson, and his mistake of dangling his baby over a ledge/from a window. I don't doubt for a moment he didn't intend to place his child in danger. I don't doubt for a moment he thought of the public's perception of it. I think he made a poor choice. I have made plenty of them myself. I do go out of my way to limit them, and I would certainly never broadcast them on the internet.

I disagree with people that say this won't lead to someone else doing it. I think when we are exposed to photos like these, we lose a bit of the "what was she thinking" reaction. We see things (not just this photo) over and over again, and we become de-sensitized to them. That is what I think photos like these can do. De-sensitize us to conduct, and push the bounds of conduct. Eventually, it gets out of hand. It's 'ok' to do this to a child, and look, there is a stuffed animal in the picture, so we know it is all in good fun. Let's see if we can do it for 30 minutes. Wait! Let's see if she eventually falls asleep.

Watch the news, stupid stuff -that begins innocently enough- gets out of hand all the time. Why is locking a child in a dog crate any different than placing the child in a play pen? Because it seems wrong. We can't articulate it fully, but it just seems worse. That is how I see this picture. Was the baby harmed? I don't think so. Did it take 2 minutes to do this (which is kinda hard to believe), and did they immediately take the baby down? Maybe. It still just seems wrong.



Well-- someone who understands the real meaning of this whole ductape business. Thank you for that post Cataholic. Might just make a few people think twice before making fun of the seriousness of this picture.
For those who think it's funny and think we should ban duct tape, rope, belts or belt buckles, extension cords, wooden spoons etc etc--- try spending a day with someone from CPS or maybe spend a day in court listening and looking at what extension cords, wooden spoons, duct tape etc etc,( too numerous to mention all the things used) and see what those things can do to a child when used by an angry parent. Might not think it's such a big joke after witnessing some of the horrors. All I can say is thank god most kids don't fall through the cracks and end up in loving homes. To those that do get missed maybe people should work harder to not put silly ideas in the so called parents' heads.

[finn's mom]

Someone said something about how no one would do something like this (duct tape) simply because they saw a picture of something like this (duct tape). I was merely suggesting that we should never underestimate the stupidity of people. Someone thought it was an appropriate punishment to duct tape a child's appendages, put them in a dog crate, and drip water on them. To me, punishment or not, that is stupidity.

I love practical jokes. I am the joker of the office. Duct taping a child to a wall as a joke or as a punishment or as a way to say, "I can do this" seems like a bad choice to me.

It reminds me of the late Michael Jackson, and his mistake of dangling his baby over a ledge/from a window. I don't doubt for a moment he didn't intend to place his child in danger. I don't doubt for a moment he thought of the public's perception of it. I think he made a poor choice. I have made plenty of them myself. I do go out of my way to limit them, and I would certainly never broadcast them on the internet.

I disagree with people that say this won't lead to someone else doing it. I think when we are exposed to photos like these, we lose a bit of the "what was she thinking" reaction. We see things (not just this photo) over and over again, and we become de-sensitized to them. That is what I think photos like these can do. De-sensitize us to conduct, and push the bounds of conduct. Eventually, it gets out of hand. It's 'ok' to do this to a child, and look, there is a stuffed animal in the picture, so we know it is all in good fun. Let's see if we can do it for 30 minutes. Wait! Let's see if she eventually falls asleep.

Watch the news, stupid stuff -that begins innocently enough- gets out of hand all the time. Why is locking a child in a dog crate any different than placing the child in a play pen? Because it seems wrong. We can't articulate it fully, but it just seems worse. That is how I see this picture. Was the baby harmed? I don't think so. Did it take 2 minutes to do this (which is kinda hard to believe), and did they immediately take the baby down? Maybe. It still just seems wrong.


Not sure why you quoted me in saying all this, not that I'm offended . . . just found it odd. I was simply wondering how he did this as punishment but that it was also a joke taken too far. (Taken from the article)

I definitely think people "get ideas" from photos and videos, but I also think those people already have stupid tendencies. I can look at these photos all day, every day, and never duct tape my daughter to anything.

[Cataholic]

@Finns Mom- I thought it was customary, when responding to someone's comment, to quote it, so people would know to whom I was replying to. You said something about punishment and joke going too far..I responded. How else was I supposed to do it so that you didn't find it 'odd'? I am always up for learning proper internet etiquette!

I made sure not to quote you here, though. But, I still had to reference you by name, so that people would know to whom I was responding. Seems like it would be simpler simply to quote you. :confused:

[finn's mom]

@Finns Mom- I thought it was customary, when responding to someone's comment, to quote it, so people would know to whom I was replying to. You said something about punishment and joke going too far..I responded. How else was I supposed to do it so that you didn't find it 'odd'? I am always up for learning proper internet etiquette!

I made sure not to quote you here, though. But, I still had to reference you by name, so that people would know to whom I was responding. Seems like it would be simpler simply to quote you. :confused:


I didn't find your quoting me offensive, as I said, but I do find everything about this comment rude and dripping with sarcasm, which I find unnecessary.

I know the proper etiquette when responding to someone and do not have a problem with being quoted. I just didn't understand how the comments you left had anything to do with my comment about the article. It seemed more general to the rest of the thread.

I'm respectfully bowing out of this conversation and thread at this point.

[pomtzu]

@Finns Mom- I thought it was customary, when responding to someone's comment, to quote it, so people would know to whom I was replying to. You said something about punishment and joke going too far..I responded. How else was I supposed to do it so that you didn't find it 'odd'? I am always up for learning proper internet etiquette!

I made sure not to quote you here, though. But, I still had to reference you by name, so that people would know to whom I was responding. Seems like it would be simpler simply to quote you. :confused:

For what it's worth, I found nothing at all sarcastic/rude with this post.

Many a time I have read a post, and wondered who in the heck that the poster is referring to. Was it in response to something I posted, or was it directed to one of the half dozen or so people that posted after I did? Do I answer, and look stupid (again) because it wasn't directed at me??? I'd rather be "quoted" and know it was me, and be able to respond (or not). Isn't that why we have the option to "reply with quote"? :confused:

[Cataholic]

Say what? Lol..I seriously thought I was guilty of some posting etiquette, and just wanted to put my question out there. You questioned my conduct, you found it, "odd". I explained my conduct, and told you the basis for it.

Sheesh.

(I am responding to Finns mom, but I am not allowed to quote her)

Now, THAT was sarcasm....)