Don't touch me there? [Archive]

RICHARD

11-17-2010, 11:59 AM

The smell of burning leather
as we hold each other tight
As our rivets rub together
flashing sparks into the night
At this moment of surrender darling
if you really care
Don't touch me there

I will give my love forever
if you promise me you'll
never never never touch me there
Don't touch me there

Don't touch me there
Please don't
Don't touch me there
Oh no not there
Don't touch me there
Anywhere but there
Don't touch me there
Never--don't ever
Don't touch me there
Do you care?
Don't touch me there
Then don't touch me there
Don't touch me there.......

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Or, Don't touch my junk?

I would have thought that line would have been from the old Sanford and Son sitcom....:rolleyes:;)

Here's the deal?

If you don't like the system in place to keep airline passengers safe?

Drive. Drive your fracking arse where ever you want to go.

It's come down to either getting 'sexually harassed' by a TSA agent orhaving the coroner tag and bag your nasty, dead and NAKED crumpled body after the airplane explosion.

I don't want to end up dead because you changed that pat-down rules for air travel.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/chase-e1.1.1.html

I'm a Mommy Blogger...LOL, No you are a stupid twit that should not fly.

I wonder what her complaint would be if her and her daughter died in a terrorist bombing while she flew.

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Hey, Touch my junk all day long, As long as I make it to where ever I am flying, I will have no complaint.

I have a lifetime to forget about it.

moosmom

11-17-2010, 02:10 PM

AMEN RICHARD!!!!

I saw that guy on tv that told airport security "Touch my junk, and I'll have you arrested!"

I'm with you. You don't like it, WALK!!! What I don't get is the waiver of children. A guy was caught with a bomb in his freaking SHOE!!! What's to stop them from making a "mule" out of their children in an effort to kill more people??? And why DON'T they have the same kind of security at bus stations and train stations??? I still think they need to beef up security in all aspects of travel. JMO.

sparks19

11-17-2010, 02:26 PM

I will and do drive where ever we go.

This just goes to show that if you instill enough fear in people you can make them do whatever you want :)

it will be a VERY frosty day below when I let someone run their hands over my daughters crotch because "she might be a mule". Does it make you FEEL safer to know that little girls and boys are being touched in ways that would get you on the sex offender list if it were anyone but the government?

Adults can consent... kids don't get a choice.

and if my daughter ended up on a flight that blew up I would be devestated but I wouldn't demand people have mandatory cavity searches or anything because something bad happened.

RICHARD

11-17-2010, 03:15 PM

Since the terror aholes have sent impaired children to do their dirty work?

Here's my "best Tom Clancy" scenario.

Andrew Ackbar Salami puts the explosives into a disposable diaper and hopefully the child wearing it loads it up with a Deuce.

No one wants to deal with a stinky diaper while in the screening line, so they ask to get on board to change it then.

Or?

What aboutg the idea of molding the explosives into the shape of a baby carrier.

Or?

Hide a little det cord in a baby bottle and then take it out and attach it to the window?

Thiese 'people' have no problem with killing children, women and innocent travelers.............

I understand why people are upset at being searched.

I just don't want to NOT get to where I am going.

sparks19

11-17-2010, 03:21 PM

and when they start keeping their bombs in select orifices will we all be ok with mandatory cavity searches for everyone?

Seriously it makes ME feel less safe knowing that we are being treated like criminals and that people and children are being touched in ways that would be a sexual offense if it were ANYONE else

You NEVER know if you are going to GET to your destination no matter what way you travel. Planes go down for reasons other than terrorist (that's why I don't fly lol more likely to walk away from a car crash then a plane crash) much more often than you ever hear about a terrorist being caught.

I think this just gives us the illusion of being "safe" and we will let people do whatever they want to our bodies and our childrens bodies. where do we draw the line or don't we?

Grace

11-17-2010, 03:31 PM

sparks19

11-17-2010, 03:36 PM

I'm with Tanya on this one. I choose not to fly - and that dates back long before 2001.

The TSA hires some very suspect workers. Do you want a pedophile or sex offender "scanning" you?

The same airports than ban public breastfeeding insist on pornoscanners or public pat-downs.

GMAB

If it isn't the body searches, it's the added fees for carrying an extra kleenex in your pocket. Pretty soon they will be back to pay toilets.

Yes these aren't a specially trained or even very well screened government agency.

Photos from the scanners have already been leaked and posted on the internet even though they aren't supposed to be KEEPING them ... they do anyway. this system is already being abused and it's been in place for how long? not very. SHOCKING.

RICHARD

11-17-2010, 03:50 PM

I guess I'll have to "Chub it Up" before I go into pornscanners.:eek::rolleyes::confused:

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I'd rather have Herb, fresh from the Dew Drop Drop Inn take me out in a drunken blaze of glory that to be listed as a "victim" of Ali Bomb-a.
I'm not to happy to be forever know as "one of the passengers/victims" in a war that we will not win beause we choose a little freedom.

Just for that?

I think that a prostate check or a mammogram that keeps people alive is worth a little embarassment......It may not kill me, but I do get to live another day?

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Everyone talks about the child molester? I want the hot blonde to pat me down. Why not have fun with it?

At least I got a jolly before the plane goes down in a ball of hellfire and riveted aluminum.

;)

lizbud

11-17-2010, 04:17 PM

This just goes to show that if you instill enough fear in people you can make them do whatever you want :)

I agree. The Bush administration proved that for 8 long years.

I don't think this new method is the ONLY way to insure airline safety.
Send the TSA back to the drawing board to come up with something else.

RICHARD

11-17-2010, 04:25 PM

I agree. The Bush administration proved that for 8 long years.

And to think we are only into it for two, so far.

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Clockwork Creep - 10c.c.

"I'm a clockwork creep
And I can't get to sleep
They wind me up and let me go
And I can't unwind
Going out of my mind
My time is coming soon you know"

Tick a tick a time bomb

"I'm a jumbo jet
With a brand new set
Of passengers and bags and crew
I'll spread my wings -
Do a thousand things
To prove how good I am to you"

Tick a tick a time bomb

Meanwhile in the cargo of escargot
The temperature is rising
Advertising that our time is running
Down, down, down, down, down
Oh with just one minute to live
Oh, no you'll never get me up in one of these again
'Cos what goes up must come
Down, down, down, down, down
Down, down, down, down, down

Oh, the gravity of the situation
It's only my willpower
That keeps this thing in operation
But we're gonna crash that's for certain
The pilot is too busy flirtin'
And he ain't aware
That there's a bomb down there
And if he don't do something it's curtains

"Now just hold on,"
Said the little bomb,
"If you were just to hold my hands
Then time would stop
The plot would flop
And jumbo would be safe to land"

Tick a tick a time bomb

My landings are the envy
Of Sabena and Pan Am
From Chattanooga to Japan
I taxi through the airways -
What a swell little plane
What a fine little plane
What a great little plane
I am

"Hang on one sec
I'm a clockwork wreck
And though my fuse is burning slow
Must keep my date to detonate
Goodbye, ta ta, and cheerio

Tick a tick a time bomb
Tick a tick a time bomb

Tick a........."

Grace

11-17-2010, 04:50 PM

I agree. The Bush administration proved that for 8 long years.

I don't think this new method is the ONLY way to insure airline safety.
Send the TSA back to the drawing board to come up with something else.

The airlines are not required to use the TSA - they can come up with their own security procedures.

From a CNN interview with Isaac Yeffet, the former head of security for El Al and now an aviation security consultant in New York -

CNN: What needs to be done to improve the system?

Yeffet: It's mandatory that every passenger -- I don't care his religion or whatever he is -- every passenger has to be interviewed by security people who are qualified and well-trained, and are being tested all year long. I trained my guys and educated them, that every flight, for them, is the first flight. That every passenger is the first passenger. The fact that you had [safe flights] yesterday and last month means nothing. We are looking for the one who is coming to blow up our aircraft. If you do not look at each passenger, something is wrong with your system.

CNN: What is El Al's approach to airline security? How does it differ from what's being done in this country?

Yeffett: We must look at the qualifications of the candidate for security jobs. He must be educated. He must speak two languages. He must be trained for a long time, in classrooms. He must receive on-the-job training with a supervisor for weeks to make sure that the guy understands how to approach a passenger, how to convince him to cooperate with him, because the passenger is taking the flight and we are on the ground. The passengers have to understand that the security is doing it for their benefit.

We are constantly in touch with the Israeli intelligence to find out if there are any suspicious passengers among hundreds of passengers coming to take the flight -- by getting the list of passengers for each flight and comparing it with the suspicious list that we have. If one of the passengers is on the list, then we are waiting for him, he will not surprise us.

During the year, we did thousands of tests of our security guys around the world. It cost money, but once you save lives, it's worth all the money that the government gave us to have the right security system.

CNN: Let's say all the airlines instituted the system that you're talking about. So let's say I go to an airport for a flight to London. What should happen?

Yeffet: When you come to the check-in, normally you wait on line. While you wait on line, I want you to be with your luggage. You have to meet with me, the security guy. We tell you who we are. We ask for your passport, we ask for your ticket. We check your passport. We want to find which countries you visited. We start to ask questions, and based on your answers and the way you behave, we come to a conclusion about whether you are bona fide or not. That's what should happen.

CNN: Every passenger should be interviewed, on all flights?

Yeffet: Yes, 100 percent...

I want to interview you. It won't take too long if you're bona fide. We never had a delay.

Number two, I have heard so many times El Al is a small airline. We in America are big air carriers. Number one, we have over 400 airports around the country, why hasn't anyone from this government asked himself, let's take one airport out of 400 airports and try to implement El Al's system because their system proved they're the best of the best.

For the last 40 years, El Al did not have a single tragedy. And they came to attack us and to blow up our aircraft, but we knew how to stop them on the ground. So let's try to implement the system at one airport in the country and then come to a conclusion...

CNN: What do you think of using full body scanners?

Yeffet: I am against it, this is once again patch on top of patch. Look what happened, Richard Reid, the shoebomber, hid the explosives in his shoes. The result -- all of us have to take off our shoes when we come to the airport. The Nigerian guy hid his explosives in his underwear. The result -- everyone now will be seen naked. Is this the security system that we want?

We have millions of Muslims in this country. I am not Muslim, but I am very familiar with the tradition, I respect the tradition. Women who walk on the street cover their body from head to toe. Can you imagine the reaction of the husband? Excuse me, wait on the side, we want to see your wife's body naked?... This is not an answer.

CNN: Would it be more expensive to provide the kind of security system you recommend?

Yeffet: For sure El Al spends more money on security than the American air carriers. But the passengers are willing to pay for it if we can prove to them that they are secure when they come to take a flight.

Karen

11-17-2010, 05:21 PM

The new scanners they are now using have raised questions because of the type of radiation they use, and the possible risk of not only high prevalence of skin cancer, but corneal cancer. There are other, safer technologies.

Run me through the metal detector, I'm okay with that. Do not subject me to extra radiation when you cannot tell me hat it will do to me 5 or ten years from now. Do not put my vision at risk unnecessarily - and it is unnecessary. Do not think you have license to touch me places I could sue anyone else for touching me.

Train some of the millions of dogs that are euthanized for lack of homes every year to be sniffer dogs. I'd rather a dog sniff me - and every bag that goes in every plane, every box and package that comes into every port - than subject myself or anyone else to groping or radiation.

No, I am not needing to fly anywhere soon, thank goodness. But I do think these new measures are taking things to extremes, and doing nothing in terms of increasing our security. Sure - we make everyone take off their shoes, and they send someone with a bomb in his underwear. Whatever measures we take, someone desperate enough will try to find a way around it. It's human nature, sadly.

sparks19

11-17-2010, 05:39 PM

As for the "if you don't like it then don't fly"... that could go both ways. If you are SO afraid that you will give up anything to feel a bit safer perhaps YOU should drive instead of fly.

I hate to fly so I avoid it at all costs anyway but if I HAD to (and some people don't have the option to just drive) I don't think I should be subjected to inappropriate touching that would not be tolerated in any other venue and would land that person in jail and require them to report where they are living for the rest of their lives

sparks19

11-17-2010, 05:44 PM

Do you remember the drive-ins?;)

When you heard that the local DI was opening trunks to see if you were sneaking people in?

Was that enough to keep you from trying?:eek:

I know you would never try a stunt like that.

But remember, the idea that they were checking made you reconsider?

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Some kid sneaking his friends into the Drive in and being put off by them checking is not the same as a suicide bomber. We are checking them NOW and that hasn't stopped them from trying to get around it. what makes anyone think that THIS is the thing that will fix it? this certainly isn't a fool proof method.

and it's not really that difficult to get a job with the TSA... perhaps our bomber friends will just get a job at the airport then they can be the one assaulting people without having to deal with security... because they ARE security.

When they start sticking bombs where the sun don't shine will you submit to a cavity search everytime you fly to feel safer?

There are ways around this process (not even including the fact that they don't do this to everyone jsut select people so joe bomber could still just as easily sneak by and BOOM) and the terrorists are determined. definitely not comparable to kids sneaking into the movie theater

Marigold2

11-17-2010, 06:14 PM

Karen

11-17-2010, 06:19 PM

Do you remember the drive-ins?;)

When you heard that the local DI was opening trunks to see if you were sneaking people in?

The Drive-In was pretty much dead by the time I was a teenager. And where ours was if you wanted in for free, you just hiked up Depot Road and then walked down the hill through the trees, and there you were.

sparks19

11-17-2010, 08:21 PM

I love to fly. Sports teams, entertainers, business people fly all the time.
If we were to ask all those who died on 9.11 if they would mind these new rules what do you think they would say. What would their message be to us?

uhhhhh I don't know considering the methods we were using before these extreme measures would have caught them since they were using box cutters (hello metal detectors?) so why would they think THIS is nessecary?

Bad things happen. it's a horrible part of life. but you can't just strip people of their rights (no pun intended) because the world is scary....

Actually apparently you can because it's happening right now... and not making anyone any safer. I can think of a few ways around it right off the top of my head and I'm not even a terrorist who is willing to die myself to get the job done.

*shrug*

Where will it end in the name of "safety"?

Grace

11-17-2010, 10:13 PM

One woman's experience -

sexual assault by the TSA (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/chase-e1.1.1.html)

Grace

11-17-2010, 11:05 PM

So much for the dirty diapers . . . . .

By Ben Mutzabaugh, USA TODAY

Children going through airport security will no longer be subject to the aggressive pat-downs that have riled some passengers and will instead face less-intrusive hand searches from screeners, the Transportation Security Administration said Tuesday.

"After a thorough risk assessment and after hearing concerns from parents, we made the decision that a modified pat-down would be used for children 12 years old and under who require extra screening," TSA spokeswoman Kristin Lee said in a statement.

source (http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/post/2010/11/no-enhanced-pat-downs-for-kids-tsa-says/131686/1)

sparks19

11-17-2010, 11:15 PM

Oh nooooo now all the terrorists are going to know and stuff bombs in childrens diapers and now the whole world is at risk fro
These pint sized bomb machines

Seriously though I can't believe there is even debate about whether or not toddlers and young children should be subjected to a stranger touching them in all the areas they shouldn't be touching EVER.

moosmom

11-18-2010, 06:22 AM

I read the link Grace posted. I guess until anyone is put into that situation, our views will differ.

Puckstop31

11-18-2010, 07:49 AM

I agree. The Bush administration proved that for 8 long years.

LOL

ROFL

I agree. The PATRIOT Act is a disgrace. But....Well..... Uhhhhh.... Who is President NOW? You know, when all this TSA stuff is starting to happen? Or do you have an excuse? The President always has someone or something to blame, why not you too eh?

I don't think this new method is the ONLY way to insure airline safety.
Send the TSA back to the drawing board to come up with something else.

We agree.... Sorta.

When you face a threat that is willing to DIE to accomplish their goal, nothing you do will 'ensure' our safety. This utter nonsense that is going on now... BIG win for the bad guys.

Do we REALLY think ANY of this stuff keeps flyers safer? Or... How far are we willing to go?

"Those willing to give up Liberty for safety shall have nor deserve, either."
Benjamin Franklin

lizbud

11-18-2010, 09:55 AM

My neighbor lady had the best comment when we were talking about
this subject yesterday. She said "Maybe we should all show up at the airport
naked. Maybe that would make everybody happy" I had that mental image in
my head for hours.:D:D

momoffuzzyfaces

11-18-2010, 12:10 PM

Let's see: touch my junk or maybe be blown to a million pieces? Sounds like a no brainer to me. :love:

I don't give you the right to enjoy touching my junk however. hehehehehe

momoffuzzyfaces

11-18-2010, 12:14 PM

"Those willing to give up Liberty for safety shall have nor deserve, either."
Benjamin Franklin

Easy for you to say Ben. Wonder if you would say the same thing now? (besides you did not have kids, did you? Sorry, I don't remember) :love:

sparks19

11-18-2010, 12:47 PM

Let's see: touch my junk or maybe be blown to a million pieces? Sounds like a no brainer to me. :love:

I don't give you the right to enjoy touching my junk however. hehehehehe

It's more like "Touch my Junk and be just as likely to be blown to pieces when the terrorists figure out the way around this system which is pretty simple" They aren't keeping this new security under wraps. Everyone knows how they work and it's going to be pretty easy for the determined ones to find a way around it.

Like I said before... when they start sticking the bombs where the sun don't shine or swallowing one will we all be happy to submit to mandatory cavity searches?

momoffuzzyfaces

11-18-2010, 01:05 PM

It's more like "Touch my Junk and be just as likely to be blown to pieces when the terrorists figure out the way around this system which is pretty simple" They aren't keeping this new security under wraps. Everyone knows how they work and it's going to be pretty easy for the determined ones to find a way around it.

Like I said before... when they start sticking the bombs where the sun don't shine or swallowing one will we all be happy to submit to mandatory cavity searches?

Guess it will depend on how much we want to arrive alive. :love:

RICHARD

11-18-2010, 01:06 PM

Let's see: touch my junk or maybe be blown to a million pieces? Sounds like a no brainer to me. :love:

I don't give you the right to enjoy touching my junk however. hehehehehe

It only hurts for a little while?

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ye multitudes!

Rise up and raise a fist towards the evil powers that use us at their leisure!!!

http://news.travel.aol.com/2010/11/18/passenger-arrested-for-punching-tsa-agent/?icid=maing%7Cmain5%7C1%7Clink5%7C26568

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Meanwhile?

In the cargo of escargot
the temperature is rising.......

http://news.travel.aol.com/2010/11/18/suspect-bomb-found-on-air-berlin-flight/?icid=maing%7Cmain5%7C1%7Clink6%7C26568

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Geo. Washington never had a horse explode under him?

Karen

11-18-2010, 01:08 PM

Easy for you to say Ben. Wonder if you would say the same thing now? (besides you did not have kids, did you? Sorry, I don't remember) :love:

He had one illegitimate son, William, (mother unknown) who eventually become the last "Loyalist governor of New Jersey. He had two children with his common-law wife, one daughter, Francis, who died of smallpox at the age of four, and another, Sarah, who was usually called Sally. She not only lived to adulthood, she married, had seven children of her own, and took care of her father when he was elderly.

sparks19

11-18-2010, 01:15 PM

You are NEVER guaranteed to arrive alive anywhere you go. YOu can get the colonoscopy and the plane could still go down. A terrorist could be very skilled in hand to hand combat and take out the pilot. can't screen for that.

The plane could malfunction and go down.

You could drive your car and get in an accident.

The train could go off the tracks.... etc etc etc

you are NEVER guaranteed another day. Why give up your freedoms and your constitutional rights for that slim chance that something bad could happen especially considering this new system is quite easy to find a way to get around it.

We are so crippled by our fear that we are willing to give up anything for the illusion of safety

but rest assured you are NEVER going to be guaranteed that you will arrive alive.

if I'm afraid to fly... I simply won't fly (nice that I have the option not to fly). I won't make everyone else give up their rights for MY fear.

Marigold2

11-18-2010, 01:36 PM

Sparks do you fly? Many people have to do so daily. And as I said before, if we could ask the 9.11 souls if they would mind these searches now I doubt any would.
There is a difference between being safe and being paranoid.
I would rather be stipped searched then blown up in a plane, you maybe not. Maybe the idea of being naked or searched is scarier for you.
But it is not about me or you, it's about ALL the innocent souls on the plane.

sparks19

11-18-2010, 01:41 PM

I choose not to fly. I am AFRAID of flying so I don't do it (not afraid because of terrorists... just a fear of flying). I didn't used to be afraid of flying. Just developed randomly.

I am aware that many people don't get the choice to not fly so they don't get the choice to NOT be fondled and groped.

THIS is not keeping you safer. This isn't some top secret hush hush project. It's a scanner that sees your skin. Then it's a pat down. That's quite easy to get around.

This is only giving the illusion of safety.

You're right... it's not about you or me. it's about all the innocent people who are being violated and touched inappropriately under the guise of safety even though it's really NOT safer. It's not going to STOP the terrorists from trying to blow up planes.

man all they gotta do is place a bomb in the cargo or get a job with the TSA (easy enough to do.. even people with criminal backgrounds can work for the TSA) and voila.

I mean if I can come up with ways around it then surely the determined terrorists have many ways around it.

This is just a pacifier to shut people up and soothe them until they realize that it was just a pacifier and not a solution for their problem.

There were terrorist attacks and planes blown up LONG before 9/11 and since 9/11 how many planes have gone down to terrorist attacks? What is justifying this NEW extreme measure?

Marigold2

11-18-2010, 01:55 PM

sparks19

11-18-2010, 02:00 PM

Well this is a start. It is not perfect, but a start. They do what they can to insure peoples safety but then all the protesters come out of the woodwork and complain about governement interference and people's rights and so on and so forth.
My daughters boyfriend is a TSA. He and his co-workers try their best to keep people safe, after all they fly, their loved ones fly as well.
People are all up in arms about their rights and don't touch me here don't touch me there. Get over it. Shout up. Do what you are told. Move forward. There are 200 people behind you who have a life to lead and problems to overcome and they don't need your whinning. Lets all just do our best and get safely where we are going.
If you do have to fly someday these things might save your life.

What wasn't working about what they were doing before this?

Again how many planes went down to terrorist attack after 9/11? Any?

People SHOULD be all up in arms about their rights. If you would like to be treated like cattle and herded through and poked and proded that's your business but don't expect people to just bend over and take it because you are SCARED of somethign that hasn't happened successfully since 9/11.

We got lazy before 9/11. that's why they were successful. Since then they have not been successful. there was no reason to push for this. NO reason to violate people.

This is a start... but not a start towards our safety. This doesn't make us safer. Just now our assaults will happen on our own turf by our own citizens. hooray.

We are all going to die someday.

Grace

11-18-2010, 02:09 PM

RICHARD

11-18-2010, 03:34 PM

Are you for real? These comments sound like the 1930s in the middle of Europe - that small man who was determined to take over the world.

Do what you are told . . . . Move forward

Disgusting.

I wasn't around in the '30s so......

I don't think we are looking at it from the standpoint of watching some guy with a Little Tramp moustache trying to take over the world with a perfect race.

It's more that we stop and scream about rights that we think we have.

ERrin Chase is a blowhard, stupid trouble maker that should be ashamed of
herself.

What a POS to equate a pat down in a airline terminal as a sexual assault.

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I have known 5 women who told me they were assaulted/molested/raped.

I have MORE empathy for them than a moron jumping up and down and screaming about a "sexual assault".

Why not jut keep it at the "Phyiscal Assault" level and stop the histrionics?

"I will not be the silent victim of a sexual assault".

It's probably her own dirty mind that creeped up her 'junk'.

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Avoiding flying is a normal response.

Avoiding flying because people are blow planes up is a normal response.

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Someone on the tube mentioned the amount of radiation you get from a porn scanner.

They said it was the same as getting blasted with radiation you pick up from flying @ X zillion feet-in-the-air.

So will this turn into a Cigarette/Smoking style lawsuit against the airlines?

If your job is flying back and forth on the planet and get cancer from your head being THAT much closer to the sun?

TFB.

I just saw that a family in Florida was awarded 80 million dollars because the patriarch of the family smoked himself to death.

He could not read, but the family was smart enough to get a lawyer and sue.

Go Figure.

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How many people fly everyday and we have two loose 'wing' nuts that complain about getting touched?

Touch my junk, it my wallet I am worried about.

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Hey I remember people flying to Havana-at the end of a pistol.

Again,

We put armed air marshalls on planes - randomly of course and stopped that nonsense,

RICHARD

11-18-2010, 04:09 PM

OMG!

LOL, we are worried about getting touched and our right to fly?

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/18/5488750-tweet-costs-chinese-woman-a-year-in-prison?gt1=43001

Catty1

11-18-2010, 05:56 PM

Canadians ain't much happier about this, it seems...

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101118/airport-security-patdowns-101118/20101118/?hub=CalgaryHome

Reader comments follow the article.

Grace

11-18-2010, 06:51 PM

We have a friend, a nice old lady of 81 years. She flew to Norway last month with her daughter. Coming home, in Amsterdam, she had to go through the new scanner and, in addition, was molested (her word) by a stranger. She said it was very uncomfortable, and she probably won't fly any longer.

This is a woman who normally flew several times a year.

Karen

11-18-2010, 08:14 PM

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Someone on the tube mentioned the amount of radiation you get from a porn scanner.

They said it was the same as getting blasted with radiation you pick up from flying @ X zillion feet-in-the-air.

That's not the real science. The back-scatter radiation used in the full-body scanners is a very different kind of radiation that the normal stuff pilots are exposed to. Scientists - not talking heads, but scientists - are concerned that, because it does not penetrate very deep, but is concentrated near the surface, and because of the type of waves it uses, it could be harmful to those at risk for skin cancer, and even corneal cancer. Now, seeing as Paul has already had skin cancers removed several times, and not the "normal kind," and because I am one of those people who is practically a poster child for "skin cancer danger" - you go down the list, and I can check "yes" to 1. Fair skin 2. Blue or grey eyes 3. Blonde as a child 4. Sunburn easily 5. Freckled skin 6. Had sunburns before the age of 18 ... I forget, maybe there are things that I don't match on the list, but I fit all of those ... I do NOT want to ever go through one of those scanners until more science is done.

sparks19

11-18-2010, 08:24 PM

That's not the real science. The back-scatter radiation used in the full-body scanners is a very different kind of radiation that the normal stuff pilots are exposed to. Scientists - not talking heads, but scientists - are concerned that, because it does not penetrate very deep, but is concentrated near the surface, and because of the type of waves it uses, it could be harmful to those at risk for skin cancer, and even corneal cancer. Now, seeing as Paul has already had skin cancers removed several times, and not the "normal kind," and because I am one of those people who is practically a poster child for "skin cancer danger" - you go down the list, and I can check "yes" to 1. Fair skin 2. Blue or grey eyes 3. Blonde as a child 4. Sunburn easily 5. Freckled skin 6. Had sunburns before the age of 18 ... I forget, maybe there are things that I don't match on the list, but I fit all of those ... I do NOT want to ever go through one of those scanners until more science is done.

I also fit into all of those catergories. I've had more than one sunburn as a child one that resulted in me being extremely ill and covered in blisters for a week.

Grace

11-18-2010, 09:51 PM

Some kid sneaking his friends into the Drive in and being put off by them checking is not the same as a suicide bomber. We are checking them NOW and that hasn't stopped them from trying to get around it. what makes anyone think that THIS is the thing that will fix it? this certainly isn't a fool proof method.

and it's not really that difficult to get a job with the TSA... perhaps our bomber friends will just get a job at the airport then they can be the one assaulting people without having to deal with security... because they ARE security.

When they start sticking bombs where the sun don't shine will you submit to a cavity search everytime you fly to feel safer?

There are ways around this process (not even including the fact that they don't do this to everyone jsut select people so joe bomber could still just as easily sneak by and BOOM) and the terrorists are determined. definitely not comparable to kids sneaking into the movie theater

Seems this has already been done - at least once.

On August 27, 2009 Abdullah Asieri, one of Saudi Arabia's most wanted men, detonated a pound of explosives apparently hidden in his rectum in an effort to assassinate Prince Mohammed Bin Nayef, head of Saudi
Arabia's counter terrorism operations. Although the attempt was unsuccessful it revealed a gaping hole in current security efforts aimed at thwarting terrorist attacks. Abdullah Asieri passed through security checks at two airports and the palace security of Prince Mohammed Bin Nayef. He then spent 30 hours in the close company of Saudi secret service agents without raising suspicion. (CBSnews.com)

The assassination attempt did not succeed but security experts have suggested the amount of explosives detonated by Abdullah Asieri would have been enough to bring down an airliner in flight.

According to Chris Yates, an aviation security consultant, the only way the explosives could have been detected is if Abdullah Asieri had been stripped naked and subject to a cavity search.

source (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6020848/al_qaeda_bombers_have_a_new_trick_up.html)

Grace

11-19-2010, 10:37 AM

I LOVE this -

The ultimate idiocy is the full-body screening of the pilot. The pilot doesn't need a bomb or box cutter to bring down a plane. All he has to do is drive it into the water, like the EgyptAir pilot who crashed his plane off Nantucket while intoning "I rely on God," killing all on board.

But we must not bring that up. We pretend that we go through this nonsense as a small price paid to ensure the safety of air travel. Rubbish. This has nothing to do with safety - 95 percent of these inspections, searches, shoe removals and pat-downs are ridiculously unnecessary. The only reason we continue to do this is that people are too cowed to even question the absurd taboo against profiling - when the profile of the airline attacker is narrow, concrete, uniquely definable and universally known. So instead of seeking out terrorists, we seek out tubes of gel in stroller pouches.

source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/18/AR2010111804494.html?referrer=emailarticlepg)

Medusa

11-19-2010, 12:25 PM

I LOVE this -

source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/18/AR2010111804494.html?referrer=emailarticlepg)

So do I.

I'll be flying on Sunday so it'll be interesting to see what happens.

RICHARD

11-19-2010, 12:32 PM

The 'radiation" quote went something like this...

A pornscan is equal of two minutes of exposure to the rads you would get at altitude.

I like to swim so I get credits banked into my account.

lizbud

11-19-2010, 01:02 PM

I LOVE this -

source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/18/AR2010111804494.html?referrer=emailarticlepg)

Awww, truth and common sense. So scarce nowadays. :)

RICHARD

11-19-2010, 01:31 PM

Vitreolic, patriotic stand, fight, bright, light
Feeling pretty psyched
-

No fear cavalier, renegade, steer clear
A tournament, a tournament, a tournament of lies
Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives
And I decline

It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it (It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it
And I feel fine

I feel fine

Symbiotic patriotic slam book neck
Right? Right!

sparks19

11-19-2010, 03:01 PM

REally? This is just hunky dory because it might "protect" us? I can't imagine how humiliating that must have been for that poor woman.

http://consumerist.com/2010/11/cancer-survivor-flight-attendant-forced-to-show-prosthetic-breast-during-tsa-pat-down.html

Yes I suppose she should just shut up and bare her prosthetic breast and basically have her mastectomy rubbed in her face and do as she's told

Grace

11-19-2010, 03:05 PM

That is just sick.

pomtzu

11-19-2010, 04:17 PM

All this crap is just one more good reason that I'm glad that I don't fly! :mad:

RICHARD

11-19-2010, 05:34 PM

http://news.travel.aol.com/2010/11/19/qantas-a380-flight-almost-blew-up/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP8HkfNlOu8

See,

No one ever gets hurt.

Grace

11-19-2010, 05:39 PM

What is that all about? Neither of those had anything to do with bombs, explosives, and the like.

In the first instance, perhaps a mechanic should have "patted down" that engine before take off.

RICHARD

11-19-2010, 05:45 PM

lev·i·ty [ lévvətee ]

noun

Definition:

flippancy: remarks or behavior intended to be amusing, especially when they are out of keeping with a serious occasion

[Mid-16th century. < Latin levitas< levis "light (in weight)"]

Use it in a sentence?

The plane that hit the car lost it's levity, eh?

Cataholic

11-19-2010, 05:58 PM

I hope the tremendous backlash against this latest safety feature will result in a change. I am odd...I really don't mind government intrusion, I kind of feel, "well, nothing I am doing is worth their attention" and move on. I would probably let a police officer into my home to search, without a warrent, no less, as I have nothing to hide. If they told me they had a reason, and I bought it, I would let them in.

But, this? For some reason, I just can't see it. It is clear it isn't a deterrant, but something done to promote peace and tranquility in the airline industry. Don't people think any more?

lizbud

11-19-2010, 06:12 PM

What is that all about? Neither of those had anything to do with bombs, explosives, and the like.

In the first instance, perhaps a mechanic should have "patted down" that engine before take off.

The argument for these invasive procedures has been lost long ago,
judging by the responses in this thread. Maybe Richard can recite the
alphabet next, but it doesn't change people's minds.:D

Grace

11-19-2010, 10:43 PM

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/_archive/Cartoons/ss-101117-travel/ss-101117-travel-01.grid-8x2.jpg

RICHARD

11-19-2010, 11:53 PM

. Maybe Richard can recite the
alphabet next, but it doesn't change people's minds.:D

I can sing them too?:confused:

Why would I want to change anyone's minds?;)

Here's the deal. NO ONE REALLY CARED OR SAID DIDDLY about the searches beforehand. Some little twerp had to record his 'tough guy' rant and go the media, then Ms. America was sexually assaulted so now we have to change everything? I guess I can along with that. WTF do I know?:confused:

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Check these photos out.

http://gizmodo.com/5690820/body-scanner-pic-gallery

Did the TSA keep the good pics for themselves?

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SALTY LANGUAGE WARNING!!

I screamed with this video.:D

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=WXDLQPfqc04

popcornbird

11-20-2010, 12:25 AM

Unfortunately, opting out of flying doesn't work for anyone traveling to any place overseas. We don't really want to go back to ship travel now do we?

This is terrible. The American public should take a stand against this. Maybe if we all boycott travel, the airline industry would lose business, and the government would come back to their senses and get rid of these terrible machines and molesting pat downs.

The chances of dying in a plane crash are much higher than dying because of some idiot with evil intentions. Flying is always a risk. Get real. The security system after 911 was doing a great job. What was the point of adding this nonsense?

caseysmom

11-20-2010, 12:57 AM

Well other countries have been doing this for years, I had this done in the middle east 10 years ago. I think the United States got too lax and now they are going too far the other way.

I think there must be some threats we aren't hearing about, I think they don't want to get everyone up in arms. I personally would just opt for the scanner.

sparks19

11-20-2010, 09:51 AM

LOTS of people were complaining about this before that guy said "don't touch my junk"

This has been a topic of conversation since everyone found out that this would be the new policy.

RICHARD

11-20-2010, 01:07 PM

9/11.

Grace

11-20-2010, 02:36 PM

9/11.

box cutters

lizbud

11-20-2010, 04:41 PM

box cutters

9/11
box cutters
12/13

(am I playing this right?):D

Grace

11-20-2010, 06:36 PM

9/11
box cutters
12/13

(am I playing this right?):D

I wasn't aware this was a game - except maybe to the nuts with the box cutters.

Richard put down 9/11 - I'm not sure why. I said box cutters because that was the weapon of choice on that date. They should/would have been seen by a metal detector.

I should have stayed out of it. I think he's just trying to make a point about body scans and pat downs.

Perhaps if the United States had kept their noses out of every other country's business over the years, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Just a thought.

lizbud

11-20-2010, 07:02 PM

I wasn't aware this was a game - except maybe to the nuts with the box cutters.

Richard put down 9/11 - I'm not sure why. I said box cutters because that was the weapon of choice on that date. They should/would have been seen by a metal detector.

I should have stayed out of it. I think he's just trying to make a point about body scans and pat downs.

Perhaps if the United States had kept their noses out of every other country's business over the years, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Just a thought.

It isn't you that's playing games here. Sorry if I left that impression Grace.
That was not my intention. My apologies.

sparks19

11-20-2010, 07:09 PM

and the reason they got on the plane with the box cutters was not because of a defect or inefficiency with the TSA screening equipment... it was because box cutters were allowed. I guess they figured nothing bad could happen from box cutters

The thing that gets me (I'd laugh if it weren't such a scary thought) is we are willing to implement these intrusive measures that are basically stripping us (no pun intended) of our rights to look for something the hijackers on 9/11 NEVER EVEN USED when that event is supposedly what we are being saved from

They didn't use BOMBS. There has not been a successful airplane BOMBING since the 80s. if we are SO afraid of bomings then why didn't they start doing this in the 80's when there were ACTUAL BOMBINGS?

it's unreal how AFRAID people are of something that hasn't even happened in over 20 years (in the US) that they are willing to give up their bodies for the illusion of safety.

So WHAT exactly justifies this unbelievable infringement of peoples rights and privacy?

RICHARD

11-20-2010, 10:48 PM

The reason I said, "9/11"?

That was the answer to the woman in the cartoon.

She asked why she had to go thru a security screening and the TSA worker's answer was 9/11.

Plus my president spoke from Portugal and he said the patdowns were OK.

Since he is in charge, I believe him.:)

Grace

11-20-2010, 10:53 PM

Plus my president spoke from Portugal and he said the patdowns were OK.

Since he is in charge, I believe him.:)

Guess there's a first time for everything. Someone take note, on November 20, 2010, Richard believes in the current President http://bestsmileys.com/writer/2.gif

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What woman, in what cartoon?

RICHARD

11-21-2010, 01:06 PM

Guess there's a first time for everything. Someone take note, on November 20, 2010, Richard believes in the current President http://bestsmileys.com/writer/2.gif

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What woman, in what cartoon?

I always believe in the current president. It's when they try to act 'political' that they scare me.

This woman in this video/cartoon.

Again, Salty language warning.....

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=WXDLQPfqc04

Grace

11-21-2010, 01:09 PM

It isn't you that's playing games here. Sorry if I left that impression Grace.
That was not my intention. My apologies.

No need for you to apologize, liz. I shouldn't have snapped back at you as I did.

Your first sentence says it all :)

Grace

11-21-2010, 10:14 PM

How often do the TSA agents change those latex gloves? If they are groping passengers, they should be changed between each victim - think of the exchange of germs and possibly bugs http://bestsmileys.com/sick/9.gif

RICHARD

11-21-2010, 11:26 PM

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/underwear-invention-protects-privacy-at-airport/19727966

Grace

11-22-2010, 11:36 AM

Your TSA agents in action -

Isn't he cute - just the right look for patting down (http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO137343/)

NicoleLJ

11-22-2010, 12:01 PM

The new scanners they are now using have raised questions because of the type of radiation they use, and the possible risk of not only high prevalence of skin cancer, but corneal cancer. There are other, safer technologies.

Run me through the metal detector, I'm okay with that. Do not subject me to extra radiation when you cannot tell me hat it will do to me 5 or ten years from now. Do not put my vision at risk unnecessarily - and it is unnecessary. Do not think you have license to touch me places I could sue anyone else for touching me.

There is no way I could handle the pat down. Being a rape victim I can;t handle strangers touching me. I will go into a huge panic attack. I don't like the idea of the scan either for similar reasons. Knowing a stranger is looking at my naked body agianst my will would also most likely send me into a panic, though probably not as sever as the pat down. So I would most likely choose the scan. Thank goodness I don't fly often.

But for Doug the radiation is the issue. He was born blind in one eye and has limited vision in the other. He can see with a strong contact lense. There is no way he would agree to the scanner and risk his one good eye.

RICHARD

11-22-2010, 12:03 PM

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/transportation-security-administration-chief-john-pistole-says-no-boday-cavity-searches/19728594

Barack could have combined his Health Care plan with airline travel.

A colonoscopy with every airline ticket.

Grace

11-22-2010, 06:49 PM

Those who are exempt -

Who is exempt from airport security?
By Ed O'Keefe

Increased scrutiny of airport security means public officials are being asked if they have or would be willing to endure airport security pat-downs.

"Not if I could avoid it. I mean, who would?" Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton told CBS on Sunday. But Clinton, who travels on government aircraft with a large security detail, is a rare exception.

Here's a review of who can and cannot bypass airport security, according to the Transportation Security Administration and conversations with congressional and Obama administration aides:

Members of Congress: Congressional leaders who are assigned a security detail, including the speaker of the House, the House minority leader and the Senate majority leader, are allowed to pass through airport security checkpoints when flying commercial jets, according to the TSA. All other members of Congress are expected to stand in line and wait.

And lawmakers are no stranger to the potential embarrassments of airport security: Screeners ordered Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.) to pull down his pants at Reagan National Airport in 2002 after a knee brace, surgically implanted pins in his ankles and a steel hip joint set off metal detectors. Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) last year cursed at Salt Lake City airport security screeners and claimed he was unfairly targeted for voting against collective bargaining rights for transportation security officers.

Government officials: President Obama, Vice President Biden and Cabinet secretaries who travel on government aircraft or with security details (Clinton and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates) obviously don't pass through security checkpoints.

Former presidents flying commercial with Secret Service agents, Cabinet secretaries who use commercial aviation and travel with bodyguards and some foreign ambassadors also traveling with guards are exempt from screening, according to the TSA and congressional aides. Cabinet secretaries without protection and other senior government officials flying commercial must be screened.

Members of the military: Members of the military traveling in uniform must pass through security checkpoints but are not required to remove their footwear unless it sets off a metal detector, according to the TSA. The agency also allows airlines to issue special access passes to military family members who are not flying but want to say goodbye or greet a loved one at the gate.

Law enforcement officers: State, local and tribal police officers who must fly with a firearm have to obtain an identifier code from the TSA before flying. The officer must present the code and law enforcement credentials before passing through security.