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DJFyrewolf36
01-14-2010, 03:56 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/nyregion/14watchlist.html?no_interstitial



Meet Mikey, 8: U.S. Has Him on Watch List
By LIZETTE ALVAREZ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/a/lizette_alvarez/index.html?inline=nyt-per)

Published: January 13, 2010
The Transportation Security Administration (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/t/transportation_security_administration/index.html?inline=nyt-org), under scrutiny after last month’s bombing attempt, has on its Web site a “mythbuster (http://www.tsa.gov/approach/mythbusters/index.shtm)” that tries to reassure the public.

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Myth: The No-Fly list includes an 8-year-old boy.
Buster: No 8-year-old is on a T.S.A. watch list.
“Meet Mikey Hicks,” said Najlah Feanny Hicks, introducing her 8-year-old son, a New Jersey Cub Scout and frequent traveler who has seldom boarded a plane without a hassle because he shares the name of a suspicious person. “It’s not a myth.”
Michael Winston Hicks’s mother initially sensed trouble when he was a baby and she could not get a seat for him on their flight to Florida at an airport kiosk; airline officials explained that his name “was on the list,” she recalled.
The first time he was patted down, at Newark Liberty International Airport (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/n/newark_liberty_international_airport_nj/index.html?inline=nyt-org), Mikey was 2. He cried.
After years of long delays and waits for supervisors at every airport ticket counter, this year’s vacation to the Bahamas badly shook up the family. Mikey was frisked on the way there, then more aggressively on the way home.
“Up your arms, down your arms, up your crotch — someone is patting your 8-year-old down like he’s a criminal,” Mrs. Hicks recounted. “A terrorist can blow his underwear up and they don’t catch him. But my 8-year-old can’t walk through security without being frisked.”
It is true that Mikey is not on the federal government’s “no-fly” list, which includes about 2,500 people, less than 10 percent of them from the United States. But his name appears to be among some 13,500 on the larger “selectee” list, which sets off a high level of security screening.
At some point, someone named Michael Hicks made the Department of Homeland Security (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/h/homeland_security_department/index.html?inline=nyt-org) suspicious, and little Mikey is still paying the price. (His father, also named Michael Hicks, was stopped for the first time on the Bahamas trip.)
Both lists are maintained by the Terrorist Screening Center, which includes the Federal Bureau of Investigation (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal_bureau_of_investigation/index.html?inline=nyt-org). They are given to the Transportation Security Administration, which in turn sends them to the airlines.
A spokesman for the T.S.A., James Fotenos, said that as a rule, “there are no children on the no-fly or selectee lists,” but would not comment on Mikey’s situation specifically.
For every person on the lists, hundreds of others may get caught up simply because they share the same name; a quick scan through a national phone directory unearthed 1,600 Michael Hickses. Over the past three years, 81,793 frustrated travelers have formally asked that they be struck from the watch list through the Department of Homeland Security; more than 25,000 of their cases are still pending. Others have taken more drastic measures.
Mario Labbé, a frequent-flying Canadian record-company executive, started having problems at airports shortly after Sept. 11, 2001, with lengthy delays at checkpoints and mysterious questions about Japan. By 2005, he stopped flying to the United States from Canada, instead meeting American clients in France. Then a forced rerouting to Miami in 2008 led to six hours of questions.
“What’s the name of your mother? Your father? When were you last in Japan?” Mr. Labbé recalled being asked. “Always the same questions in different order. And sometimes, it’s quite aggressive, not funny at all.”
Fed up, in the summer of 2008, he changed his name to François Mario Labbé. The problem vanished.
Several Web sites, including the T.S.A.’s own blog, are rife with tales of misidentification and strategies for solving them. Some travelers purposely misspell their own names when buying tickets, apparently enough to fool the system. Even the late Senator Edward M. Kennedy (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/k/edward_m_kennedy/index.html?inline=nyt-per) once found himself on a list.
“We can’t just throw a bunch of names on these lists and call it security,” said Representative William J. Pascrell Jr. (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/william_j_jr_pascrell/index.html?inline=nyt-per), a New Jersey Democrat. “If we can’t get an 8-year-old off the list, the whole list becomes suspect.”
Mr. Fotenos, the T.S.A. spokesman, promised improvements in a few months, as the agency’s Secure Flight Program takes full effect. Under the new system, airlines will collect every passenger’s birth date and gender, along with their names. The T.S.A. will cross-check all that with the watch lists. Previously, the airlines cross-checked the lists themselves, using only the names.
Certainly, Mikey’s date of birth, less than a month before 9/11, should prevent him from being mistaken as a terrorist.
A third grader at a parochial school in Clifton, N.J., Mikey recites the drill like the world-weary traveler he is. Leave early for the airport, always with his passport. Try to get a boarding pass at the counter. This will send up a flag. The ticket agent, peering down at tiny bespectacled Mikey, will apologize or roll her eyes, and call for a supervisor. The supervisor, after a phone call — or, more likely, a series of phone calls — will ultimately finagle him onto the plane. But the Hickses are typically the last to select seats and the last to board, which means they sometimes can’t sit together.
Mrs. Hicks, a photojournalist who herself got Secret Service clearance to travel aboard Air Force II with then-Vice President Al Gore (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/g/al_gore/index.html?inline=nyt-per), anticipated additional chaos following the attempted underwear bombing. Before leaving for the Bahamas on Jan. 2, she reached out to Congressman Pascrell’s office, which then enlisted a T.S.A. agent to meet the family at the airport. Even this did not prevent Mikey from an extra pat-down.
On the way home last Friday, Mikey’s boarding pass showed four giant red S’s at the airport in Nassau. “Oh, random screening,” Mrs. Hicks said. Mikey asked his mother not to worry and said he would use his tae kwon do — he has a junior black belt — if needed. Mrs. Hicks said she wanted to take pictures of her son being frisked but was told it was against the rules.
Mikey, who would rather talk about BMX bikes and his athletic trophies than airport security (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/a/airport_security/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier), remains perplexed about the “list” and the hurdles he must clear. “Why do they think a kid is a terrorist?” Mikey asked his mother at one point during the interview.
Mrs. Hicks said the family was amused by the mistake at first. But that amusement quickly turned to annoyance and anger. It should not take seven years to correct the problem, Mrs. Hicks said. She applied for redress in December when she first heard about the Department of Homeland Security’s program.
“I understand the need for security,” she added. “But this is ridiculous. It’s quite clear that he is 8 years old, and while he may have terroristic tendencies at home, he does not have those on a plane.”


Somehow this strikes me as completely insane...I understand the need for keeping an eye on "suspicious" persons but if a list like this only goes by name and no other information what good is it?

And I have to point out this list didn't do any good in preventing the underwear bomber from getting on a plane. :rolleyes:

RICHARD
01-14-2010, 05:50 PM
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???????

:D

DJFyrewolf36
01-14-2010, 08:37 PM
Richard LMAO!! :D :D :D

John (hubby) says: OMGROFL! 10 points for getting it right :D

Catherinedana
01-15-2010, 07:14 AM
Again I profess my undying love and adoration of Richard!! Making me LOL at my work computer!!

OK - how ridiculous is this? How many people are named Michael Hicks in the US? Do they not have a description of him like age, height, weight, etc? Is the man a little person so that they would even suspect a child of being a terrorist? I could scream. . .

Laura's Babies
01-15-2010, 08:38 AM
I know a guy that is on the watch list. Once when traveling, the "wand" picked something up in his carry on bag. They emptied his bag and searched it many, many times... He said he thought it was just normal security until men in uniforms with guns showed up and told him "come with us".. They held him for hours, searching and researching his bag and questioning him over and over.

I am sure it didn't help matters any that he is a dark complected full blooded Cajun with a thick Cajun accent and he is a real funny person with a sense of humor..

After hours and hours, they did let him get on a plane but they wouldn't let him take that bag on that plane but sent it on another one. When he landed, there was an armed escort waiting for him to escort him to a place where he had to wait for hours for his bag to arrive.

Needless to say, when it came time for him to return home from that trip, he was scared to death to take that bag and threw it away and bought another one. When he got home, there was a letter telling him he was on the watch list.. They never did figure out what was in or on that bag that set that wand off but whatever it was, that's all it took to get him on the watch list.

smokey the elder
01-15-2010, 08:52 AM
Probably some kind of cross-contamination. The names-only watch list is ridiculous. Look how many different ways a name can be spelled, and how many duplicates there are. They need a few more dimensions in their data base!

RICHARD
01-15-2010, 09:11 AM
iI had to cringe when I heard the mom say that he is 'sometimes a terrorist at home'.

WTF, call him a mass murderer, too.

I laugh at stuff like this, but find it incredible that a parent would say something like that..leave the jokes to the morons like me?

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I can see her walk up to the screeners and loudly say something stupid like, "my son is on your terror list" just to vent and to get her point across.

And to make the whole queue titter with nervous laughter.:rolleyes:

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She wants to know why a guy with exploding underwear gets on a plane and why her spawn gets frisked?

The underwear/attempted bomber was let on the plane OVERSEAS you dope! Not here in the U.S.

If Hamas/Hezbollah have forced teens to wear bombs strapped to their bodies anything is possible.

If I was a kid I probably love the attention being paid to me!

The mom sounds like another FA that, heaven forbid, her kid goes down in an airplane and she'd raise holy heck for losing her son because the gov't. DIDN'T DO THEIR JOB.

Judging by the picture in the paper?

The kid is a miserable waif that is being pushed to play soccer three times a week, is a cub scout (A good thing), gets yelled at for pulling a "b" down in Advanced Planetary Mechanics and has his toilet breaks scheduled for him.

I can see the mother priming the kid for a trip.

"Honey, you are going to get searched again when we get to the airport because your name is the same as a bad, bad terrorist!"

Way to positively enforce the joy of traveling to your kid-make the little effer paranoid, miserable and anti establishment. He may not grow up to be a terrorist, but I would love to see him in high school or college complaining about why he's treated like everyone else in the longest line of the bookstore.:rolleyes:


I understand the idea of being hassled every time you try to do something-I had a temp job where I had to go to buildings with the security guard riding my arse to sign in, where are you going, what are you doing, why are you tall and ugly?- It was a hassle, but I understand the why, and go with the flow.

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LOL, she's trying to get the kid off the list because of the hassle.

If she can get that accomplished, what will keep a terrorist moron from doing the same?


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And if the kid is a terrorist? He can start a fire by rubbing two sticks together.

Another reason to check his pockets.;):p:eek:

RICHARD
01-15-2010, 09:24 AM
Speaking of terrorists?

The news just flashed a CIA computer generated picture Osama bin Laden-it was 'aged' using a computer.

In it, OBL has a shorn/trimmed beard and looks cleaned up.

I started to laugh because it reminded me of one of those makeup shows where they clean you up, trim you up and give you a new wardrobe.

Nothing would improve him in my eyes.

He's still a smelly old terrorist effer living in a cave.:eek:;)

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LOL, get back to work, all of you!

Catherinedana
01-15-2010, 10:16 AM
Maybe they should start taking motor trips instead. . . .

DJFyrewolf36
01-15-2010, 04:38 PM
Maybe they should start taking motor trips instead. . . .

Until they start getting stopped at every gas station and searched...lol :rolleyes: :D

Richard you are too funny!