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Moesha
03-28-2009, 07:09 PM
Anyone participating? Turning lights off for an hour starting at 8:30pm for one hour?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/03/28/earth.hour/index.html

Catty1
03-28-2009, 07:10 PM
I did last year and am again. Reading by candlelight...:)

Emeraldgreen
03-28-2009, 09:01 PM
Hi Moe!! :)
We are turning out all the lights at 8:30. It would be neat to see a satellite image of earth when certain areas of the planet turned out their lights. I wonder if it was noticable from space.

blue
03-28-2009, 09:07 PM
I power down daily......

















When I sleep.

Moesha
03-28-2009, 09:43 PM
I am spending the weekend at my sister's apartment. We spent earth hour with her reading Dave Barry's book about the worst songs to me by candle light. I fell asleep with 2 minutes left to earth hour. LOL I'm awake again though.

blue
03-28-2009, 09:53 PM
Earth hour, more of the great global warming swindle?


U.N.'s Participation in Earth Hour Is Full of Hot Air, Critics Say

Friday , March 27, 2009
By Joshua Rhett Miller



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In what it's calling a "vote for the future of planet Earth," the World Wildlife Fund wants every light in the world to go dark for one hour on Saturday as a symbolic gesture to call for action on climate change.

It's called Earth Hour — and among the places where the lights will go out are the Eiffel Tower, the Bird's Nest Stadium in Beijing, the Pyramids of Giza and Niagara Falls.

And, for the first time in the event's three-year existence, the New York headquarters of the United Nations will also go dark, a move officials say will save $102, a figure that fluctuated wildly from its whopping initial estimate of $81,000 when requested from U.N. officials. After the story appeared on FOXNews.com, a spokeswoman called back to say their estimate was incorrect and the savings was $24,000, but then called back a third time to say it was really $102.

Earth Hour — 8:30 to 9:30 p.m in every time zone on the planet — promises to be “the largest demonstration of public concern about climate change ever attempted," U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said earlier this month.

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But critics say the U.N.'s participation in the event is a "self-serving," thinly guised "gimmick" to sway public opinion ahead of the U.N.-led conference in Copenhagen in December at which world leaders will seek to approve a new global warming treaty.

"It's like a lot of what the U.N. does — it's a gimmick, it's empty, it's shallow and it's not going to lead to anything," said Thomas Kilgannon, president of Freedom Alliance, a Virginia-based nonprofit organization founded by Oliver North.

"The bigger problem is that they're doing this leading up to the conference in December. They're trying to consolidate their authority to push their agenda."

WWF organizers say nearly 2,900 cities worldwide will participate in Earth Hour, with at least 250 American cities among them, including Chicago, Dallas, Miami and San Francisco. Plenty of celebrities have signed on to the cause, including musicians Alanis Morissette, Melissa Etheridge and Wynonna Judd, as well as actors Edward Norton, Cate Blanchett, Kevin Bacon and Kyra Sedgwick.

And, of course, the United Nations.

"It's an attention-grabbing gesture that they expect to pay off for them big time," Claudia Rosett, a journalist-in-residence at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, told FOXNews.com. "For the U.N., climate change is the biggest cash cow of all time. They expect it to pay off for them big-time at the enormous and unaffordable expense of this and future generations."

Critics like Rosett say the U.N.'s role in Earth Hour is merely the public face of its much larger push to reorder the world's economy with new taxes, tariffs and subsidies for greenhouse gas abatement.

Click here for the details on the U.N.'s new plan to combat climate change.

"It's an immensely destructive gesture," Rosett said. "The U.N. has been busy manipulating and politicizing the science on this for years.... The whole climate obsession has the potential to make Oil for Food look like a drop in the ocean."

Based on average energy consumption levels from 2006-08, U.N. spokeswoman Vannina Maestracci said the world body's New York headquarters will save $102 while observing Earth Hour. Maestracci initially estimated the savings would be $81,000 before revising it to $24,300. She ultimately estimated the savings would be just $102 for the darkened hour.

Though she stressed that the U.N. is just one of many institutions across the world observing the event, she acknowledged it's a "strong symbol" in the climate change debate.

"It sends a strong message that we need a new agreement on climate change," Maestracci told FOXNews.com. "It's symbolic. It's part of an effort to mobilize support."

Whatever the savings, Rosett accused U.N. officials of distorting facts to make its participation in the event appear more impactful.

"That's a marvelous figure," Rosett said of the initial estimate. "If turning off the lights of the United Nations will save $81,000 an hour, it would be a great idea to keep them off every day of the year."

WWF spokeswoman Leslie Aun said Earth Hour will serve as a dramatic "visual message that the people of the world" are concerned about climate change.

"This is a reminder to our leaders around the world that people care about this issue," she said. "People told us last year they loved feeling connected to something big."

Asked to estimate how much energy could be saved worldwide during the 60 minutes of darkness, Aun replied, "We don't even calculate the emissions that we save in that hour. That's not the point."

But Bjorn Lomborg, author of "The Skeptical Environmentalist" and director of the Denmark-based think tank Copenhagen Consensus Centre, said the event could actually increase emissions.

"When asked to extinguish electricity, people turn to candlelight," Lomborg wrote in an op-ed in The Australian. "Candles seem natural, but are almost 100 times less efficient than incandescent light globes, and more than 300 times less efficient than fluorescent lights. If you use one candle for each extinguished globe, you're essentially not cutting CO2 at all, and with two candles you'll emit more CO2. Moreover, candles produce indoor air pollution 10 to 100 times the level of pollution caused by all cars, industry and electricity production."

Dr. Kenneth Green, a resident scholar on environmental science at the American Enterprise Institute, said Earth Hour shouldn't even be considered an environmental activity, since there will be no tangible benefits.

"If the U.N. is trying to show it's really committed to the Earth," he said, "they should scrap the giant fleet of black limousines they drive around in and buy hybrid cars in the United States to help the economy of the country they're in.

"That's the real tragedy in what this symbolizes. They’ve taken the one thing that symbolizes man's advancement over animals — that is, man's ability to create light — and they've turned it into a bad thing.

"It's the reversal of the Enlightenment. This is 'the Disenlightenment.'"

Catty1
03-28-2009, 10:58 PM
Look, I am the first to admit that Mother Nature has her own way of doing things, climate and all.

I think the rise of technology since the early 1800's has to have had SOME effect...how can it not affect the climate, even if it is not completely responsible?

Earth Hour is also about finding out what we can live without for an hour. Learning to limit the impact of human activity on the planet can only do the planet good.

Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. It's not a black and white situation, IMO. There are over 6 and half billion [EDITED] of us on this planet...how can the cumulative actions/inaction of that huge lot of humanity NOT have had SOME impact?

Let's each do what we can, and let Mother Nature handle the rest. She is more than capable.

aTailOf2Kitties
03-28-2009, 11:09 PM
I had all the lights off but the TV. I try to start turning the lights off around that time anyway, otherwise the cats go all "nocturnal hunter" and start spazzing around the house after we go to bed.

blue
03-28-2009, 11:25 PM
There are over 40 billion of us on this planet.

????

Catty1
03-28-2009, 11:54 PM
People. Over 6 1/2 Billion [EDITED] people. Even if only 4 billion [EDITED] live in countries that have factories and cars and other technological wonders - it's easy to believe that these 'wonders' would have some effect on the climate of the planet. These human effects can be mitigated - to attribute it all to 'natural causes' is far fetched.

I know one symbolic hour will not make a tangible difference - in Ontario, use was down 6% from the norm - but it is symbolic. One gal I know couldn't even see turning off her TV for one hour - one stinkin' hour.

The hour is more about what it tells us about our mindset and attitudes, and those are what need a second look.

JMO

blue
03-29-2009, 12:26 AM
People. 40 Billion people. Even if only 30 billion live in countries that have factories and cars and other technological wonders - it's easy to believe that these 'wonders' would have some effect on the climate of the planet. These human effects can be mitigated - to attribute it all to 'natural causes' is far fetched.

I know one symbolic hour will not make a tangible difference - in Ontario, use was down 6% from the norm - but it is symbolic. One gal I know couldn't even see turning off her TV for one hour - one stinkin' hour.

The hour is more about what it tells us about our mindset and attitudes, and those are what need a second look.

JMO

The world population hasnt reached 7 billion yet.

AdoreMyDogs
03-29-2009, 09:28 AM
Well I MOSTLY participated. I turned off all the lights except the porchlight, which I just forgot about. I lit a big candle in every room BUT I did watch TV. Pearl Harbor was on the History channel and I didn't want to stop watching it. I did keep all lights off until Pearl Harbor was over though, which was 10 PM.

pomtzu
03-29-2009, 09:31 AM
The world population hasnt reached 7 billion yet.

Gee - I was wondering when we had that population explosion!!! :D

Medusa
03-29-2009, 09:49 AM
I power down daily......

















When I sleep.

Same here, except not. LOL I love doing things by candle light, especially reading, so this is a daily occurrence for me. I get the reason behind this, though, so count me in on principle.

Catty1
03-29-2009, 10:44 AM
Yes, somewhere in my sleep I realized my booboo. Edits made. :o

Catty1
03-29-2009, 12:33 PM
skippi wrote:tried this last year just for the fun of trying something different . Lights off, no TV, computer, radio and since I was alone at the time no talking...except to myself.

The peace and quiet was palpable. Since I had nothing else to do I thought ...about stuff , the World, people I care about, solutions to problems etc. I meditated for awhile, prayed a bit and simply listened to the silence. But it wasn't completely silent or dark. I could hear the wind in the trees outside, a squirrel chatting at something and the moonlight coming in the window was really pretty.

End result: have not felt so relaxed in a long time. it was noticeable how the longer I remained in the quiet zone the more tension left my body. . And when it was over I felt Energized . It wasn't until I fully stopped the "noise pollution" that I realized how Much noise my personal environment contained and how much that noise was interfering with my personal ability to relax and problem solve and recharge MY energy source. So I do this often now...not for the Earth ...for me..............................I do that alot it helps to take away stress and does leave you relaxed and i do it not for earth day it helps with my health

And this kind of sums it up for me...the idea that this can be done a LOT... ;)

Toronto_Tax_Guy wrote:
Posted 2009/03/29
at 11:56 AM ETrds33b wrote: "I find it hard to believe how negative a lot of people are making this. You'd think they were being forced to do it. I love my electricity as much as anyone, but I found it kind of fun. A break from routine."

Just to let you in on a little secret (and please don't tell anyone else because we don't want this getting out).

You can turn off your lights and anything else you want to at any time of the year without being told to.

Again please don't let everyone know.

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psssst.................i already do that.....................thanks for the sarcasm tho'.

RICHARD
03-29-2009, 01:14 PM
So we do it for one hour outta the year?

Why don't the 'sponsors' try and and get people to do it once a month? a week?

It turned off the lights I burn to read and left the tube on, pulled open the fridge open twice- and then I thought about why people are not more consistent about things like this.

My younger brother came over and I was kicking it on the couch with all the lights out and the tube on.....He walked in and began to ask why I was sitting in the dark.....

Maybe I am not afraid of the dark?;):eek::cool:

RICHARD
03-29-2009, 01:16 PM
Gee - I was wondering when we had that population explosion!!! :D


Gosh you all are so short on memory......the OCTOMOM is still out there, anything can happen!:eek:

carole
03-29-2009, 05:27 PM
NZ was the first in the world to participate because of where we are, i did turn the lights off, but not the TV , i could not miss American Idol, we have the balloons over waikato festival on during that time, and the night glow was on, just down the road from my house at our local university, they even turned things off there, just leaving minimal lights for safety issues, so i guess that was a good example to set.

I looked around, sadly most of my neighbours had all their lights on, shame on you Kiwis.:(

dukedogsmom
03-30-2009, 12:33 AM
I was out enjoying margaritas :D But if I'd been home, I would have done it. I think it's really neat!

AllAmericanPUP
03-30-2009, 09:32 AM
I forgout about this, but we hardly use lights anyways. usually we open up the blinds and use natural light and maybe one lamp in the living room at night and the kitchen light when/if i cook .Other than that the only thing we use is the tv and computers. I'm a stickler about keeping the lights off because i don't want the electric bill to be astronomical.

RICHARD
03-30-2009, 01:52 PM
NZ was the first in the world to participate because of where we are, i did turn the lights off, but not the TV , i could not miss American Idol,

I'd hate to think AI caused the world's oil supply to end!;):D

carole
03-30-2009, 04:31 PM
He He you so funny Richard, honestly if i turned the TV off i could not even tape it, i am hooked line and sinker on that programme, i so want Danny or Adam to win, but hey that is another thread.:)