I Can Dream can't I ???

[lizbud]

A copy of a article (Chicago Trib.) I read this morning. Seems pretty hopeless to dream this would happen now though.:(


The speech John McCain must give


If Republican presidential candidate John McCain wants to salvage his tattered reputation for decency and perhaps even his sagging campaign, here's the speech he ought to deliver this weekend:

My friends, I want to tell you a few things about my opponent, Barack Obama, that I want all of you to know and remember.

Senator Obama is a patriotic American, as American as you or I. He loves this country and he wants, as badly as I do, to keep our citizens safe and to help them lead prosperous, healthy lives. He wants to improve education, clean up the environment and increase our nation's stature around the world, just as I do.

We happen to have very different ideas about how to meet these goals.

But Barack Obama is not a terrorist, as some of my supporters have shouted during campaign rallies. He is not a terrorist sympathizer or a secret ally of America's enemies, as certain guest and hosts on cable TV talk programs have said recently. He is not a criminal. He is not a baby killer. He is not a pervert.

Those who have been saying otherwise in the heat of this campaign are deeply wrong. Those who have been invoking Sen. Obama's middle name in an effort to suggest that he is somehow foreign or has hidden foreign ties are disgraces.

Their words -- their signs and their chants -- have created a poisonous, even dangerous atmosphere not only in these mobs, but in this country. I hear people are expressing fear that we may elect as president an enemy of the United States and of our form of government.

That's false. And that kind of talk not only risks dividing us deeply as a people, but it can also lead to violence.

I reject it. I reject the support of people who, in my name, level such attacks on a good American and true patriot such as Barack Obama.

When I say that he is a "risky" candidate for president, I don't mean that he is an enemy of the United States. When I ask my followers, "Who is Barack Obama?" I don't mean to offer a wink to the vile smears about him in a viral e-mail of that name, but to suggest that voters have not examined his record closely enough.

Barack Obama is not an extremist, my friends. He is a liberal United States senator with whom I have many honest disagreements.

In the closing weeks of this hard fought race, I want my campaign staff and my supporters to highlight those disagreements and use those contrasts to persuade voters that I have a far better plan to lead this nation during the difficult months and years ahead than the gentleman from Illinois.

I want my campaign and my supporters to highlight the differences in our records, our experience, our agendas, and our judgment. I want them to be tough in making the argument that I am the stronger, steadier and more seasoned candidate for President of the United States.

I believe they can and will make that argument and that Gov. Palin and I will win on Nov. 4. And when we do (or on the off chance we don't), I don't want the country to be any more fractured, angry and scared than it already is.

No matter what the outcome, I want all of us to be able to come together on the morning of Nov. 5 --not as Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives, but as Americans united in optimism determination and pride.

A good and fundamentally decent man will be our president elect. He will need the hopes and prayers of a nation to lift him. As one we must say "God bless him. And God bless the United States of America."

[Lady's Human]

And Senator McCain has to be the one to kiss and play nice why?

Both sides are slinging mud, they're equally guilty.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Now LH....could you show me where Obama or his running mate has suggested that McCain is not a "true patriot"? A pal of terrorist? "That one"? A subversive?

Please?

[Lady's Human]

In specifically those words, not, but McCain's record has been distorted, Keating five allegations dredged back up, his military record has been attacked (Not directly by the campaign, but by people damned close to it), his marriage(s) and personal life have gone over with a fine toothed comb.

Neither campaign is clean, Sara.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Okay...without looking it up...what is McCain's middle name?

I betcha know Obama's dontcha?

And to the point of the article Liz posted...when has McCain's "patriotism" been questioned?

[Lady's Human]

I knew Sen. Obama's middle name shortly after he was sworn in as a Senator and Sen. Kennedy absolutely BUTCHERED his name.:D

Had nothing to do with the campaign.

And I'd say the constant harping on McCain's physical and mental health are a bit more scathing for the candidates than questions about patriotism.

[lizbud]

And Senator McCain has to be the one to kiss and play nice why?

Both sides are slinging mud, they're equally guilty.



" BUT MOM, HE STARTED IT !!!! " Maybe that's what's wrong with the world, too much contrariness in it. "HE HIT ME FIRST",etc,etc,etc.:rolleyes:

[Edwina's Secretary]

McCain's mental health???? I have heard nothing about that! Dish, dish!

I did hear his physical health alluded to by those lovely Wasilla Main Street denizen!

And how many US voters heard Obama's middle name from Ted Kennedy. Now you are just being silly!

[Lady's Human]

Actually, being that the sound bite was a national joke for a couple weeks, probably many.

McCain has been called unstable by several on the other side of the aisle, if you haven't seen those stories you must have one hell of a set of blinders on.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Seriously I haven't. I have heard him referred to as hot headed and quick tempered. But I do not consider that a "mental health" issue. You know I would not miss something as juicy as that!

You're just being silly about the Ted Kennedy thing...I hope. A few years passed between Obama's swearing in as a Senator and the campaign. I don't think Joe Sixpack watches all that much of Teddy. "National joke" seems a bit of hyperbole.

(Joe Sixpack....that is such an insulting nickname but whatever...)

So let me ask the question again...when has Obama or his running mate said anything about McCain's mental or physical health, patriotism, terrorist status or palling around with terrorist?

You would think that McCain would remember when his campaign was derailed by the dirty tricks of Bush and Rove in South Carolina. When they started rumors that he fathered a black child (his adopted daughter from India) and that his wife is a drug addict. But then again, perhaps he DID remember. And what is McCain's middle name?

[Grace]

And Senator McCain has to be the one to kiss and play nice why?

Both sides are slinging mud, they're equally guilty.

While both sides are slinging the mud, the ratio is not even. According to CNN, 97% of the McCain ads are negative; 30% of the Obama ads are negative.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Nothing quite like facts to put a fine point on an argument!

Thanks Grace!

Let's see...who will say CNN is a tool of the leftie media?

[sparks19]

politicians are mean http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/fit.gif

[Lady's Human]

While both sides are slinging the mud, the ratio is not even. According to CNN, 97% of the McCain ads are negative; 30% of the Obama ads are negative.

ANd CNN is an arbiter of equality how?

They have how many former high level dems working for them as "analysts"?

What % of ads are negative vs. positive is hardly an objective statistic. Speaking of which, there are lies, there are damned lies, and there are statistics.

[Grace]

Nothing quite like facts to put a fine point on an argument!

Thanks Grace!

Let's see...who will say CNN is a tool of the leftie media?


BINGO!! And the winner is . . . . . LH!!

First he said this -Both sides are slinging mud, they're equally guilty.

Now it is this - What % of ads are negative vs. positive is hardly an objective statistic.

Last I looked 50 - 50 was fairly equal. 97 - 30, not so much.

[Edwina's Secretary]

It is an age old tradition...if you don't like the facts...disparage the fact giver! :D:D:D (aka...shot the messenger!)

and of course there is the question...
What % of ads are negative vs. positive is hardly an objective statistic. Why not????? And if not THAT...then what?

[blue]

It is an age old tradition...if you don't like the facts...disparage the fact giver! :D:D:D (aka...shot the messenger!)

http://creoleindc.typepad.com/rantings_of_a_creole_prin/images/2007/09/08/syringe_2.jpg

I think you meant shoot.

http://caputoimages.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/shoot-first.jpg

[Lady's Human]

Very simply, whether the message is percieved as positive or negative largely depends on the audience.

Three parts to a message.....and the transmitter and the reciever are almost more important than the message itself when it comes to whether the message is recieved in a positive or negative manner.

[Grace]

I think you meant shoot.



I gently suggest you check some of your own spelling before criticizing others.

[blue]

I gently suggest you check some of your own spelling before criticizing others.

At least I tried to bring some funny with my critisism, instead of just talking down to others. Im sure you made fun of dyslexics in college, if not in high school as well.

ETA: I do understand making fun of dyslexics has become a national pasttime in the last 8 yerars that Shrub has been in office.

[jennielynn1970]

I don't think people would purposely make fun of someone with a learning disability, or a handicap. Well, adults, I should say. Kids can be mean, and are known to be bullies and antagonize those weaker than they are. Well, some adults do as well, but they just need their butts kicked.

I can make fun of my own problems, lol, and be self-deprecating, but that's not like making fun of someone else.

[Grace]

At least I tried to bring some funny with my critisism, instead of just talking down to others. Im sure you made fun of dyslexics in college, if not in high school as well.

ETA: I do understand making fun of dyslexics has become a national pasttime in the last 8 yerars that Shrub has been in office.

Once again, you are totally off base.

[Puckstop31]

I won't argue that McCain's ads are very "negative". But WHY do they need to go 'negative'?

Could it be that the 'regular' media won't talk about Obama's negative aspects? Could it be that the media does Obama's dirty work for him?

I wonder what the result would be if we did a comparison of negative media stories about Obama as opposed to McCain.

Or to put it another way most of you here want to argue style over substance.


Do the right thing.... Don't vote for either one of these guys. Send a REAL message to DC.

[Grace]

I won't argue that McCain's ads are very "negative". But WHY do they need to go 'negative'?

Could it be that the 'regular' media won't talk about Obama's negative aspects? Could it be that the media does Obama's dirty work for him?



Why do they need to go negative - I've been asking myself the same question. Are they afraid to stick to the issues, the economic mess? Whatever the reason, they are turning off many voters - and making themselves look foolish in the bargain.

[Puckstop31]

Why do they need to go negative - I've been asking myself the same question. Are they afraid to stick to the issues, the economic mess? Whatever the reason, they are turning off many voters - and making themselves look foolish in the bargain.


Would it matter to you? If McCain went positive and only talked about the issues, could it change your mind?

But don't worry Grace. :) Unless BO makes a massive, earth shattering blunder, he is going to win. I just pray that my fear of just how massive Big Brother gets under him is wrong.

[JenBKR]

\ But don't worry Grace. :) Unless BO makes a massive, earth shattering blunder, he is going to win. I just pray that my fear of just how massive Big Brother gets under him is wrong.

I think you are right, I think he is going to win. I might get flamed for this, which is why I haven't mentioned it before but I am scared of him winning. I don't want to be socialized. I admit that I think something needs done with the health care system, but I also like actually being able to get in to see a doctor. Also, DH and I work for small companies, and if I am not mistaken Obama will be putting large taxes on small companies. We're headed to a recession no matter who get in. It's a scary time, indeed.....

[Grace]

Would it matter to you? If McCain went positive and only talked about the issues, could it change your mind?


Would it change my mind about voting for him - no. Then again, I wasn't going to vote for him before he went negative. But it would change my mind about the man, John McCain. I once thought of him in a very positive way; now he makes me cringe.

What about you? Or do you enjoy all the negativity?

[Puckstop31]

Would it change my mind about voting for him - no. Then again, I wasn't going to vote for him before he went negative. But it would change my mind about the man, John McCain. I once thought of him in a very positive way; now he makes me cringe.

What about you? Or do you enjoy all the negativity?

No, it would not change my vote. Negative, Positive, whatever... I cannot pull the lever for either one of them.

But my opinion/point about McCain going negative because he has too, to get the truth about Obama out, stands. If you do not think the media has a bias for anything left, you are just not paying attention.

For instance...

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081011/D93O5M100.html

Something negative happens for the dems. The writer of this article goes out of their way to say, repeatedly, that Obama had nothing to do with this.

BULLCRAP



BO is connected to Tony Rezko. Rezko is a slumlord and a substantial contributor to BO's campaign. Rezko also just happens to be in jail for extortion. And now singing because he wants out of jail....

Tony's wife, Rita Rezko. Rita is connected to BO's home in Chi-town. Not long after BO won his Senate seat, he bought a nice house in Kenwood, which is a upscale Chi-town neighborhood. BO paid les than asking price, but only after Rita bought an adjacent property, from the SAME SELLER. This is the "bone headed" deal BO talks about. RIGHTTTTTT. Bone headed because you got caught.

I wonder why you never hear about stuff like this?

Barack Obama is NO different that any other scumbag politician we are ever offered.

In the end, we will get the government we deserve... Because we ALL have become lazy and lost our way.

[Puckstop31]

if I am not mistaken Obama will be putting large taxes on small companies.

Not directly... He will heavily tax your suppliers.

He is your friend, until you make $250,000. Then you are the devil incarnate. He clearly does not like the American Dream.

[JenBKR]

Not directly... He will heavily tax your suppliers.


Which will in turn drive up costs for the businesses, making it much more expensive to operate, causing layoffs at both of our companies. Oh, goody...

[Puckstop31]

Which will in turn drive up costs for the businesses, making it much more expensive to operate, causing layoffs at both of our companies. Oh, goody...

My company, (IT company, 7 employees, c. $2,000,000 in yearly revenue), is making plans for our product costs to go up. We are also making plans as to how to survive if we lose our line of credit with the bank.

Frankly, we can eat a little margin on product... As long as it does not get absurd. But if our bank closes our line of credit, for any reason... We would be in a pickle.

Our main supplier is Dell. I see two things happening in the near future for them. A.) Our prices won't change too much. We will still be able to obtain product at decent costs. BUT... B.) It will take longer to get the product because Dell will have to cut jobs to make it work for them. Also, suport will lag. We choose Dell for several reasons, but first is they have AWESOME Business to Business support. I get an english speaking person who does NOT just read me a flowchart, every time.

[Grace]

Getting back to the original premise of this topic. Here is an OPINION (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.mccain10oct10,0,7557571.story) piece from the Baltimore Sun.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I think you are right, I think he is going to win. I might get flamed for this, which is why I haven't mentioned it before but I am scared of him winning. I don't want to be socialized. I admit that I think something needs done with the health care system, but I also like actually being able to get in to see a doctor. Also, DH and I work for small companies, and if I am not mistaken Obama will be putting large taxes on small companies. We're headed to a recession no matter who get in. It's a scary time, indeed.....


Well...it may be too late. The current administration is buying up companies and banks...isn't that "socialism?" ANYONE who gets elected must raise taxes. There is no other way out of the current mess. McCain wants to "buy up the toxic loans." More socialism. And he will do that without raising taxes?

Silly man.

I read recently US medical care is 37th in the world but first in....cost. Some of the key measurements for quality of care are infant mortalityand maternal health. So we get lower quality care and pay more for it.

"Socialized" is one of those demon words that are used to frighten the population.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

[Edwina's Secretary]

Getting back to the original premise of this topic. Here is an OPINION (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.mccain10oct10,0,7557571.story) piece from the Baltimore Sun.

To give McCain his due...I read this morning he has made some effort to dial down the violent reaction of some of the more rabid supporters by saying that Obama is a decent man with whom he has political differences. His running mate has not. And unfortunately, once the genie is out of the bottle it is hard to get it back in.

Sad, very sad.

[JenBKR]

Well...it may be too late. The current administration is buying up companies and banks...isn't that "socialism?" ANYONE who gets elected must raise taxes. There is no other way out of the current mess. McCain wants to "buy up the toxic loans." More socialism. And he will do that without raising taxes?

Silly man.

I read recently US medical care is 37th in the world but first in....cost. Some of the key measurements for quality of care are infant mortalityand maternal health. So we get lower quality care and pay more for it.


Oh I do know that taxes are going up no matter what. I know that they have to. I believe that about our health care system, I think it's out of control. Though I have no idea how it can be fixed...


"Socialized" is one of those demon words that are used to frighten the population.

It's working...it does scare me! Then again, I probably don't know much about it.

The mess that we are all in now has been a LONG time coming...and it will probably take a long time to get out of it. It's just scary to see where we are headed...