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blue
10-07-2008, 10:28 PM
An update. Source. (http://obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/28-phil-j-berg-files-amended-complaint-in-berg-v-obama)


Phil J. Berg filed an amended complaint today in Berg v. Obama. The amended complaint adds the Pennsylvania Department of State, the Secretary of the Commonwealth Pedro A. Cortes (in his official capacity), the U. S. Sentate Committee on Rules and Administration, and Senator Diane Feinstein (in her official capacity as chairman) for their failure to exercise due diligence with respect to Barack Obama's contitutional qualifications to be elected and serve as President of The United States, and for his inclusion on the ballot in Pennsylvania as a candidate for President of the United States.

The amended complaint also bolsters the standing argument and adds additional relevent facts.

Essentially, the argument is this:
Senator Obama could put this whole issue to rest by providing an official "vault copy" birth certificate.
Senator Obama has chosen not to do so.
The defendants (other than Obama) have a responsibility to protect the integrity of the electoral system by properly vetting the qualifications of candidates, which they have failed to perform.
Mr. Berg, other Americans, and our system of government are damaged by this failure.
Senator Obama, who has collected $425,000,000 in campaign contributions, has perpetrated a fraud.

Following are some of the factual statements made in the amended complaint (The complete complaint is attached below):
36. Obama is a representative of the Democratic People. However, Obama must meet the Qualifications specified for the United States Office of the President, which he must be a “natural born” citizen. Additionally, Obama must be at least a “naturalized” citizen to hold his Office of U.S. Senator for Illinois. Unfortunately, Obama is not a “natural born” citizen, nor is he a “naturalized” citizen. Just to name one of the problems, Obama lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother married an Indonesian citizen, Lolo Soetoro who legally “acknowledged” Obama as his son in Indonesia and/or “adopted” Obama, which caused Obama to become a “natural” Indonesian citizen. Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro relocated herself and Obama to Indonesia wherein Obama’s mother naturalized in Indonesia. This is proven by Obama’s school record with the student’s name as “Barry Soetoro”, Father’s name: Lolo Soetoro, M.A., and Citizenship: Indonesia.
37. There appears to be no question that Defendant Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a U.S. citizen. It is also undisputed, however, that his father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a citizen of Kenya. Obama’s parents, according to divorce records, were married on or about February 2, 1961.
38. Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961 and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born. Obama’s grandmother on his father’s side, his half-brother and half-sister all claim Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya. Reports reflect that Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy (which, apparently, was a normal restriction, to avoid births during a flight). By these reports, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew home and registered Obama’s birth. There are records of a “registry of birth” for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii.
39. Upon investigation into the alleged birth of Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii, Obama’s birth is reported as occurring at two (2) separate hospitals, Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital. The Rainbow Edition News Letter, November 2004 Edition, published by the Education Laboratory School did a several page article of an interview with Obama and his half-sister, Maya. The Rainbow Edition News Letter reports Obama was born August 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii. More interesting in February 2008, Obama’s half-sister, Maya, was again interviewed in the Star Bulletin, and this time, Maya states Obama was born August 4, 1961 in Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children.
40. Plaintiff is informed, believes and thereon alleges a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya, and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen.
41. Even if Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii, he lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother re-married and moved to Indonesia with her Indonesian husband. In or about 1965, when Obama was approximately four (4) years old, his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia, whom she had met at the Hawaii University, and moved to Indonesia with Obama. Obama lost his U.S. citizenship, when his mother married Lolo Soetoro, and took up citizenship of and residency in Indonesia. Loss of citizenship, in these circumstances, under U.S. law (as in effect in 1965) required that foreign citizenship be achieved through “application.” Such type of naturalization occurred, for example, when a person acquired a foreign nationality by marriage to a national of that country. Nationality Act of 1940, Section 317(b). A minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship status of their custodial parent. A further issue is presented that Obama’s Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, either signed an acknowledgement acknowledging Obama as his son or Lolo Soetoro adopted Obama, giving Obama natural Indonesia citizenship which explains the name Barry Soetoro and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.
42. Obama admits in his book, “Dreams from my father” Obama’s memoir (autobiography), that after his mother and Lolo Soetoro were married, Lolo Soetoro left Hawaii rather suddenly and Obama and his mother spent months in preparation for their move to Indonesia. Obama admits when he arrived in Indonesia he had already been enrolled in an Indonesia school and his relatives were waiting to meet him and his mother. Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian State citizen, could not have enrolled Obama in school unless Lolo Soetoro signed an acknowledgement acknowledging Obama as his son, which had to be filed with the Government. Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Obama, as an Indonesian State citizen. Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 Law No. 12 of 2006 dated 1 Aug. 2006 concerning Citizenship of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 9 of 1992 dated 31 Mar. 1992 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie) states in pertinent part, State citizens of Indonesia include: (viii) children who are born outside of legal marriage from foreign State citizen mother who are acknowledged by father who is Indonesian State citizen as his children and that acknowledgment is made prior to children reaching 18 years of age or prior to marriage; Republic of Indonesia Constitution 1945, As amended by the First Amendment of 1999, the Second Amendment of 2000, the Third Amendment of 2001 and the Fourth Amendment of 2002, Chapter X, Citizens and Residents, Article 26 states, “(1) Citizens shall consist of indigenous Indonesian peoples and persons of foreign origin who have been legalized [sic] as citizens in accordance with law. (2) Residents shall consist of Indonesian citizens and foreign nationals living in Indonesia.”
43. Furthermore, under the Indonesian adoption law, once adopted by an Indonesian citizen, the adoption severs the child’s relationship to the birth parents, and the adopted child is given the same status as a natural child, Indonesian Constitution, Article 2. Thus, where Obama was actually born and what his mother’s citizenship status at the time of this birth is irrelevant.
44. The laws in Indonesia at the time of Obama’s arrival did not allow dual citizenship. If an Indonesian citizen married a foreigner, as in this case, Obama’s mother was required to renounce her U.S. citizenship and was sponsored by her Indonesian spouse. During this time, Indonesia was a Police State. The public schools did not allow foreign students, only citizens were allowed to attend as Indonesia was under strict rule and decreed a number of restrictions; therefore, in order for Obama to have attended school in Jakarta, which he did, he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, as the citizenship status of enrolled students was verified with Government records.
45. Obama was enrolled by his parents in a public school, Fransiskus Assisi School, a public school, in Jakarta, Indonesia. Plaintiff has received copies of the school registration in which it clearly states Obama’s name as “Barry Soetoro,” and lists his citizenship as Indonesian. Obama’s father is listed as Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s date of birth and place of birth are listed as August 4, 1961 in Hawaii, and Obama’s Religion is listed as Islam. This document was verified by Inside Edition, whose reporter, Matt Meagher, took the actual footage of the school record. At the time Obama was registered the public schools obtained and verified the citizenship status and name of the student through the Indonesian Government. All Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards, or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, as well as family card identification called a Kartu Keluarga. The Kartu Keluarga is a family card which bears the legal names and citizenship status of all family members.
46. Since Obama’s birth was legally acknowledged by Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen, and/or Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, which the evidence supports, Obama became an Indonesian citizen and bears the status as an Indonesia natural child (natural-born). For this reason, Obama would have been required to file applications with the U. S. State Department and follow the legal procedures to become a naturalized citizen in the United States, when he returned from Indonesia. If Obama and/or his family failed to follow these procedures, then Obama is an illegal alien.
47. Regardless of whether Obama was officially adopted, (which required a Court process), by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, or his birth was acknowledged (which only required the signing of a governmental birth acknowledgement form), by Lolo Soetoro, one of which had to occur in order for Obama to have the name Barry Soetoro and his citizenship status listed as “Indonesian”, in either and/or both cases Obama’s name was required to be changed to the Indonesian father’s name, and Obama became a natural citizen of Indonesia. This is proven by the school records in Jakarta, Indonesia showing Obama’s name as Barry Soetoro and his citizenship as Indonesian. Again, the registration of a child in the public schools in Jakarta, Indonesia was verified with the Government Records on file with the Governmental Agencies.
48. The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual citizenship). Indonesian regulations recognize neither apatride nor bipatride citizenship.
49. In addition, since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship neither did the United States, Hague Convention of 1930.
50. In or about 1971, Obama’s mother sent Obama back to Hawaii. Obama was ten (10) years of age upon his return to Hawaii.
51. As a result of Obama’s Indonesia “natural” citizenship status, there is absolutely no way Obama could have ever regained U.S. “natural born” status, if he in fact ever held such. Obama could have only become naturalized if the proper paperwork was filed with the U.S. State Department, in which case, Obama would have received a Certification of Citizenship.
52. Plaintiff is informed, believes and thereon alleges Obama was never naturalized in the United States after his return. Obama was ten (10) years old when he returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. Obama’s mother did not return with him, and therefore, unable to apply for citizenship of Obama in the United States. If citizenship of Obama had ever been applied for, Obama would have a Certification of Citizenship.
53. Furthermore, Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan and Southern India in 1981. The relations between Pakistan and India were extremely tense and Pakistan was in turmoil and under martial law. The country was filled with Afghan refugees; and Pakistan's Islamist-leaning Interservices Intelligence Agency (ISI) had begun to provide arms to the Afghan mujahideen and to assist the process of recruiting radicalized Muslim men--jihadists--from around the world to fight against the Soviet Union. Pakistan was so dangerous that it was on the State Department's travel ban list for US Citizens. Non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business. A Muslim citizen of Indonesia traveling on an Indonesian passport would have success entering Indonesia, Pakistan and India. Therefore, it is believed Obama traveled on his Indonesian passport entering the Countries. Indonesian passports require renewal every five (5) years. At the time of Obama’s travels to Indonesia, Pakistan and India, Obama was twenty (20) years old. If Obama would have been a U.S. citizen, which he was not, 8 USC §1481(a)(2) provides loss of nationality by native born citizens upon "taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state...after having attained the age of eighteen years”, in violation of 8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(1). Since Lolo Soetoro legally acknowledged Obama as his son and/or adopted Obama, Obama was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, as proven by Obama’s school record.
54. Plaintiff is informed, believes and thereon alleges Obama stated his citizenship as a “Kenya Citizen” when he applied for and was accepted at Columbia University. Obama has refused to release any records from Occidental College, Columbia University, Harvard Law School and any of his medical records.
55. Plaintiffs as well as many other democratic American citizens have requested proof of Obama’s citizenship status, however to no avail. Obama has promised to be an open and honest candidate, however, refuses to remove any doubts from Plaintiff’s and all the other democratic minds and prove his eligibility to serve as President of the United States.
56. Plaintiff’s civil rights under the due process rights and equal protection of the laws secured by the U.S. Constitution, Fourteenth (14 ) Amendment th have been violated by Obama’s illegal campaign and will continue to be violated if Obama is allowed to continue his campaign and if elected, assume the position of President of the United States. The DNC and FEC have allowed Obama to continue his campaigning, knowing these issues have arisen and have failed to take and/or instigate the proper investigation into said matters to protect Plaintiff and other registered voters. Therefore, the only option Plaintiff had to secure and protect his civil rights was to bring action before this Honorable Court. Moreover, our laws which protect Plaintiff, a legal registered voter, and other registered voters from fraudulent campaign schemes have been violated by the Defendants, 2 U.S.C. §437c, 2 U.S.C §437(g). Plaintiff has standing to bring suit pursuant to 5 U.S. C §702, as well as 8 U.S. C §1481(b).
57. Plaintiff’s rights guaranteed under the Liberty clause of the Fourteenth (14th) Amendment of the United States Constitution have already been violated. It has been announced in the main stream media that Obama’s “briefing” has already begun into our National Secrets, our Nations Top Secrets, which Obama is not privy too and in violation of our National Security, as Obama is not a legal citizen of the United States. This has placed Plaintiff and other citizens of the United States in grave danger. Plaintiff’s Liberty as guaranteed will further be violated if Obama is allowed to be voted into and assume the position of President of the United States; Plaintiff will be further damaged and is in serious jeopardy.
58. Plaintiff filed the within action on or about August 21, 2008 against Defendants seeking Declaratory and Injunctive Relief, declaring Obama an illegal alien and/or only a “naturalized” citizen ineligible to serve as President of the United States and enjoining the PA Department of State, Bureau of Commissions, Elections and Legislation, the DNC and FEC from placing Obama’s name on the ballot and prohibiting Obama from further campaigning to be elected as President of the United States, a position he is ineligible to hold.
59. Plaintiff faxed a copy of the original complaint to Obama, the DNC and FEC on August 22, 2008 prior to the hearing on the TRO before this Honorable Court. Defendants were further served by personal service on September 4, 2008. Neither the DNC nor Obama have supplied any type of proof of Obama’s citizenship status and/or eligibility to serve as President of the United States.
60. Plaintiff has asked for a simple resolution. Plaintiff has asked that Obama supply a genuine certified copy of his original long version “vault” Birth Certificate, A Certification of Citizenship and a certified copy of his Oath of Allegiance. If in fact Obama can prove his “natural born” citizenship status, which he cannot, then he has not been prejudiced in anyway, but instead Plaintiff has been protected and his civil rights secured. However, if Obama is unable to supply said documentation, then he needs to withdraw his candidacy, again which will eliminate Plaintiff’s deprivations and instill Plaintiff’s constitutionally protected safeguards and rights.

Puckstop31
10-07-2008, 10:49 PM
Pffffttt...

Dan, that dang "Constitution" has been a mere technicality for some time now. You think a politician or the media will let that silly, old and outdated document get in the way of "progress"?

;)

blue
10-07-2008, 11:02 PM
Pffffttt...

Dan, that dang "Constitution" has been a mere technicality for some time now. You think a politician or the media will let that silly, old and outdated document get in the way of "progress"?

;)

I agree Puck, but what gets me is why is this an issue for some?

I would think proof of citizenship should have been nailed down and undeniably proven before even being eligable as a canidate for the party for POTUS.

If the case proves true, Barry isnt eligible for holding his senate seat.

Karen
10-08-2008, 12:46 AM
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizen.htm

Yet again, the whole thing is proven False. Urbanlegends on about.com is a great resource.

Barack Obama was born on US soil. The nationality of his parents at the time of his birth does not matter.

Puckstop31
10-08-2008, 09:25 AM
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizen.htm

Yet again, the whole thing is proven False. Urbanlegends on about.com is a great resource.

Barack Obama was born on US soil. The nationality of his parents at the time of his birth does not matter.

Agree... So where is the Birth Certificate? Has it been produced? I ask, because I do not know.

Ginger's Mom
10-08-2008, 09:41 AM
Produced for whom? There are photos of the birth certificate being examined, there is an authentification attached, and it says it has been accepted by the State Department. I am not sure who else you want to have handle the certificate.

Puckstop31
10-08-2008, 09:52 AM
It was a question, because I did not know anything about it.

Thanks for the answer.

Besides, there are SO many other things wrong about BO... This is a rather trivial way to go about it. LOL

Ginger's Mom
10-08-2008, 09:58 AM
I didn't know the answer either until I clicked on the link attached to your post. That is where I got my information.

Puckstop31
10-08-2008, 10:08 AM
I didn't know the answer either until I clicked on the link attached to your post. That is where I got my information.

I didn't post it, Blue did.

But that would not be the first time he and I were mixed up. LOL

caseysmom
10-08-2008, 10:47 AM
The rightie's are getting desperate!

lvpets2002
10-08-2008, 11:37 AM
The rightie's are getting desperate!

Thank You.. That would be my conclusion..

caseysmom
10-08-2008, 11:47 AM
It's no surprise that the righties keeps making these ridiculous assertions. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and the McCain-Palin ticket is sinking faster than the stock market.

lvpets2002
10-08-2008, 11:56 AM
It's no surprise that the righties keeps making these ridiculous assertions. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and the McCain-Palin ticket is sinking faster than the stock market.

:) Yup & thats pretty DogOn Fast.. I hate to think how much of my 401K I am loosing in the stocks..:rolleyes:

lizbud
10-08-2008, 12:05 PM
Whoo, the Cult of the COLB.:rolleyes: Berg is is the same nutjob that
believes GWB personally caused 9/11 to happen.:rolleyes:

Too stupid for words.

Puckstop31
10-08-2008, 12:11 PM
LOL, you people never cease to amaze me.

All the other things we could talk about and THIS is what you all respond to. The EASY one.

McCain is sinking fast? Err, the last poll I saw had him down 3. But that is not the point.

Obama SHOULD be ahead by double digits, yet he is not. I wonder why?

caseysmom
10-08-2008, 12:30 PM
LOL, you people never cease to amaze me.

All the other things we could talk about and THIS is what you all respond to. The EASY one.

McCain is sinking fast? Err, the last poll I saw had him down 3. But that is not the point.

Obama SHOULD be ahead by double digits, yet he is not. I wonder why?

Irritating that you can't control us isn't it?

Puckstop31
10-08-2008, 01:30 PM
Irritating that you can't control us isn't it?



LOL... Noooooooooo.... That last thing I want to do is CONTROL you. Remember, I am a Libertarian. I want you to stop trying to elect people who WILL control us. We need people who will stop feeding FEDZILLA. People who actually respect the people, rather than play us against each other. I mean, look at us here. Look at how we are so partisan, when we SHOULD be pissed at ALL of them. We should be marching on DC with torches and pitchforks. But no, we sit here and (myself included) banter on about trivial crap. Posting links to drivel written by people who get PAID to divide us...

Yup... The more I think about it... I am voting for Bob Barr.

blue
10-09-2008, 12:52 AM
Irritating that you can't control us isn't it?

Why is it I can have a real life and sane disscusion with somebody more liberal then you on this issue, but not engage in a disscusion with you online?

Its not irritating its confusing.

caseysmom
10-09-2008, 03:02 PM
Because I am sure you are a nice person but online nuances are lost and humor can be subtle and sometimes you come off differently that you really are, thats just a guess.

blue
10-09-2008, 10:21 PM
FWIW the lawsuit was filed 8/22/2008, hardly a last desperate move. The DNC tried to have the suit dismissed, they failed and Obama was given 72 hours to produce 3 documents. Photos of a BC do not a BC make.

blue
10-11-2008, 07:02 PM
OK this was news to me. Source (http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-philip-j-berg-esq-files-federal-lawsuit-requesting-obama-be-removed-as-a-candidate-as-he-does-not-meet-the-qualifications-for-president).


Berg is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate in Democratic Primaries; former Chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery County; former member of Democratic State Committee

The lawsuit wasnt filed by someone connected with the Republican Party, but with the Democratic Party. Its not an effort to get McCain elected its seems its an effort to get Hitlery on the Democratic ticket.

Grace
10-11-2008, 07:20 PM
OK this was news to me. Source (http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-philip-j-berg-esq-files-federal-lawsuit-requesting-obama-be-removed-as-a-candidate-as-he-does-not-meet-the-qualifications-for-president).

The lawsuit wasnt filed by someone connected with the Republican Party, but with the Democratic Party. Its not an effort to get McCain elected its seems its an effort to get Hitlery on the Democratic ticket.

Hasn't this old horse been ridden once too often? Democrat - Republican - makes no difference. Just different flavors of kool-aid.

blue
10-11-2008, 09:27 PM
I dont know how to get a video into this thread so here is a link where Philip J Berg explains the lawsuit. Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs).

Grace
10-11-2008, 09:51 PM
That video is pure rubbish.

You remind me of some posters on another board. All they can come up with are outrageous, unsubstantiated babble.

blue
10-11-2008, 10:28 PM
That video is pure rubbish.

You remind me of some posters on another board. All they can come up with are outrageous, unsubstantiated babble.

Why is it "pure rubbish"? Please explain this time.

If it is unsubstantiated, why hasent the suit been dismissed? I dont think you wached the video, Mr Berg did a good job stating his case. Besides, if it was rubbish it would be pretty easy for Barry to dismiss all doubts of his location of birth, wouldnt it?

Besides, one would think that before you can be a canidate for POTUS your records would show you were born here.

While we are at it McCain released his college records, where are Barry's?

Grace
10-11-2008, 10:38 PM
Answer me one - why are you so caught up in all this drivel?

I did start to watch the video - then I got to laughing so hard I had to stop.

While we're at it, would you care to tell me how you would solve the current financial crisis? I have no clue. It will have more of an impact on my life than the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii.

blue
10-11-2008, 10:52 PM
Answer me one - why are you so caught up in all this drivel?

Sharing info and having a conversation is now "being caught up in all this drivel"? Why is it drivel in your opinion?

If Barry was born in HI this conversasion wouldnt be happening. Its a constitutional issue that the Barry campaign could easily clear up, for some reason they are fighting it.


I did start to watch the video - then I got to laughing so hard I had to stop.

So you are well informed on this then, gotcha. Thanks.


While we're at it, would you care to tell me how you would solve the current financial crisis? I have no clue. It will have more of an impact on my life than the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii.

What does the economy have to do with this thread? Like you I am not an economist. If it where up to me to find a solution for the current economic decline Ild hire Walter E Williams to start to find a way forward. Niether NObama or McCain are economists either, why would you think they know the answer without consulting experts?

If NObama wasnt born in HI this becomes a constitutional matter. Believe it or not the Constitution of the USA, as it was written, still has meaning to alot of citizens.

Edit: Nice job on ducking the questions yet again.

Grace
10-11-2008, 11:05 PM
The economy is much more important than this particular subject. I simply do not, cannot, understand why intelligent people get sucked into debating the birthplace of one candidate; the votes by either candidate on war funding because they did, or did not, have time tables written in; Obama's middle name.

As for the Constitution, that is one thing we do agree on - too bad Bush has tried to destroy it over the past 8 years.

I should have stayed out of this interaction with you - I do not believe any of the junk being thrown around about Obama. And I know that neither of us will change the mind of the other - so I'm out of here.

Bye-Bye.



Bye-bye . . . .

blue
10-11-2008, 11:08 PM
The economy is much more important than this particular subject. I simply do not, cannot, understand why intelligent people get sucked into debating the birthplace of one candidate; the votes by either candidate on war funding because they did, or did not, have time tables written in; Obama's middle name.

As for the Constitution, that is one thing we do agree on - too bad Bush has tried to destroy it over the past 8 years.

I should have stayed out of this interaction with you - I do not believe any of the junk being thrown around about Obama. And I know that neither of us will change the mind of the other - so I'm out of here.

Bye-Bye.



Bye-bye . . . .

The Constitution is of little importance to you, thank you.

blue
10-11-2008, 11:21 PM
Your source for this remark?

Your own posts are enough, go back and review them for yourself.

If these types of allegations where about McCain and the McCain campaign was ducking and doging like NObama is doing, Ild be voting a protest vote for Bob Barr like Puck.

If I where decided on a canidate and nothing would sway my vote, these allegations against him as well as ties to a domestic admitted terrorist, I too would minimalise, ignore and try to discredit those making the allegations. In other words, Ild be doing the same as you. Saying the claims are BS, or rubbish without backing up those claims.

Others may agree with you but you havent posted anything credible to back up your opinions.

caseysmom
10-11-2008, 11:43 PM
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html

The righties are really nervous and they should be.

By the way McCain was born in the Panama Canal...is that more American than Hawaii? Your desperation is showing.

blue
10-11-2008, 11:56 PM
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html

Factcheck is not a Judge, when a judge makes a ruling I will believe it one way or the other. This suit has gone on too long without a ruling for me to believe something, one way or the other, posted on the interweb. I want an actual judgement.


The righties are really nervous and they should be.

By the way McCain was born in the Panama Canal...is that more American than Hawaii? Your desperation is showing.

The Panama Canal Zone was considerred US soil at the time, HI was not.

Keep in mind the lawsuit was filed by a long time Democrat, not by nervous righties.

caseysmom
10-12-2008, 12:01 AM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Think you need a history lesson, Hawaii was in fact a State.

caseysmom
10-12-2008, 12:02 AM
I am not wasting any more of my precious time on your ridiculous allegations...acts of desperation.....

blue
10-12-2008, 12:07 AM
I am not wasting any more of my precious time on your ridiculous allegations...acts of desperation.....

Im not the one with the lawsuit. Im not the one making allegations.

You are ignoring the fact that it is a democrat making the allegation and pursuing the lawsuit.

Snopes is good but no better then factcheck.

blue
10-12-2008, 12:17 AM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Think you need a history lesson, Hawaii was in fact a State.

Thank you for the correction. That fact dosent make NObama eligible for POTUS.

caseysmom
10-13-2008, 10:11 AM
Thank you for the correction. That fact dosent make NObama eligible for POTUS.

You lost my respect on that one I am out of this. Lies don't win arguments.

blue
10-13-2008, 08:12 PM
You lost my respect on that one I am out of this. Lies don't win arguments.

Excuse me, but you havent shown much respect in this. Second, what lies?

blue
10-15-2008, 12:49 AM
Since the rule of Law dosent care, yall dont care, and I no longer care, its all now a moot point isnt it?

Im selling all my firearms before Barry takes office.

king2005
10-15-2008, 01:05 AM
This is why I stay out of political & religious threads.. people get too pissy & uptight :P

Mind you this is crazy mild, but it has gotten far worse in the past... Just wait for the seal hunt threads :rolleyes:

blue
10-15-2008, 01:09 AM
This is why I stay out of political & religious threads.. people get too pissy & uptight :P

Mind you this is crazy mild, but it has gotten far worse in the past... Just wait for the seal hunt threads :rolleyes:

Yeah lets let the seals eat all the fish and then starve and we have no fish to eat. More liberal logic.

king2005
10-15-2008, 01:21 AM
Yeah lets let the seals eat all the fish and then starve and we have no fish to eat. More liberal logic.

OMG someone is on my side! Don't forget there are laws that "animal lover groups" hide.. they have no idea the hunters have to check to make sure the seal is dead before they move on to the next, or they are breaking the law.. my only argument is that there needs to be more law enforcement up there, so its done properly... I'm stopping there before I get told to die BEEP BEEP BEEP again *runs back into hiding*

blue
10-15-2008, 01:27 AM
OMG someone is on my side! Don't forget there are laws that "animal lover groups" hide.. they have no idea the hunters have to check to make sure the seal is dead before they move on to the next, or they are breaking the law.. my only argument is that there needs to be more law enforcement up there, so its done properly... I'm stopping there before I get told to die BEEP BEEP BEEP again *runs back into hiding*

THere isnt enough hippy or animal rights groups in the area to make sure the kills are clean ones? Dont get me started on wolf hunting.

Grace
10-25-2008, 05:12 PM
Philip Berg's lawsuit has been thrown out of court.


Oct 25, 3:37 PM (ET)

PHILADELPHIA (AP) - A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit challenging Barack Obama's qualifications to be president.

U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick on Friday night rejected the suit by attorney Philip J. Berg, who alleged that Obama was not a U.S. citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency. Berg claimed that Obama is either a citizen of his father's native Kenya or became a citizen of Indonesia after he moved there as a boy.

Obama was born in Hawaii to an American mother and a Kenyan father. His parents divorced and his mother married an Indonesian man.

Internet-fueled conspiracy theories question whether Obama is a "natural-born citizen" as required by the Constitution for a presidential candidate and whether he lost his citizenship while living abroad.

Surrick ruled that Berg lacked standing to bring the case, saying any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was "too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters."

lizbud
10-25-2008, 06:25 PM
Philip Berg's lawsuit has been thrown out of court.


The next time somebody mentions frivolous lawsuits, I'll cite this one.:)

blue
10-25-2008, 10:26 PM
At least thats over and done with for now.

sparks19
10-25-2008, 10:38 PM
YEAH.. How DARE you focus on Obama's birth certificate....

We should be focusing on much more important things like the cost of Palin's clothes and how she bought them LMAO... err I mean how it reflects on her character that she WEARS expensive clothes :D Because THAT is WAAAAAAY more important than the birth certificate of the man that could be the next POTUS.

And dancing :D

BUT... I apparently don't have a right to an opinion since I wasn't born here lol even if it DOES affect MY daughter growing up in this country. What do I know lol

Edwina's Secretary
10-26-2008, 11:53 AM
Ah yes, but Sparky...have you seen Ms. Palin's birth certificate?

I haven't and therefore I question whether she is a legimate candidate!

And what if it has a crease in it? Does that mean Ms. Palin citizenship is invalid? So very silly.

And one more time...you seem to have some difficulty understanding this...no one complained about Ms. Palin wearing expensive clothes...in fact I said...ermine and diamonds -- don't care.

I care who pays for them. No, I really don't. (It's not my money. I donate my money to causes that I have researched -- to determine how they spend the money.) I just think it makes her a joke and a hypocrite.

lizbud
10-26-2008, 12:41 PM
And one more time...you seem to have some difficulty understanding this...no one complained about Ms. Palin wearing expensive clothes...in fact I said...ermine and diamonds -- don't care.

I care who pays for them. No, I really don't. (It's not my money. I donate my money to causes that I have researched -- to determine how they spend the money.) I just think it makes her a joke and a hypocrite.


I too, have no problem with dressing her up. (the RNC paid for it,not me)
But it does seem hypocritical to hype her as a "Jane 6 pack" & then try to
give her a makeover for TV exposure.:confused: What's up with that?
Do they think she's not ready for"primetime" unless she's wearing designer
clothes?

RICHARD
10-26-2008, 01:02 PM
Joe Six Pack sounds really racist to me.

So what do they call the guys from the hood?

Juan and Jamiel 40 ouncer?:rolleyes::confused:

Edwina's Secretary
10-26-2008, 01:18 PM
BUT... I apparently don't have a right to an opinion since I wasn't born here lol even if it DOES affect MY daughter growing up in this country. What do I know lol


This you need to take up with LH. He has a real problem with people from other countries trying to influence US politics! There is a thread about it. He says "they" don't know about our internal politics.

Sorry!

Here it is. http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=147395

sparks19
10-26-2008, 03:11 PM
This you need to take up with LH. He has a real problem with people from other countries trying to influence US politics! There is a thread about it. He says "they" don't know about our internal politics.

Sorry!

Here it is. http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=147395

I don't really think that applies to me since I LIVE in the US. it is you who seems to have disdain for the fact that I give an opinion about the politics of the US just because I was not born here... it always seems to be your back up "jab"... however my daughter was and her future is all that matters to me :) not to mention that what happens here also affects the country I WAS born in.

As for the clothes thing... I don't have difficulty understanding... it just really seems to get you riled up over something quite silly. Amusing

Edwina's Secretary
10-26-2008, 03:34 PM
not to mention that what happens here also affects the country I WAS born in.



Yes! amusing is my word for it too! We agree!

Don't you think what happens in the US has a big impact on people in MANY countries? And that is why those folks are interested in the outcome?

Again..my point and glad to see we have common ground.

A. What happens in the US does matter to people from other countries and they are entitled to an opinion! Not a vote...but certainly an opinion.

B. Ms. Palin's RNC-bought wardrobe fuss was amusing.

I knew you would come around! Heckofajob Sparky!:D:D

blue
10-26-2008, 10:50 PM
Keep in mind the lawsuit was thrown out because the judge ruled that Berg lacked standing to bring the case, not that the case had no merit.

DJFyrewolf36
10-27-2008, 06:43 AM
Joe Six Pack sounds really racist to me.

So what do they call the guys from the hood?

Juan and Jamiel 40 ouncer?:rolleyes::confused:

I had to LOL at this :D

lizbud
10-27-2008, 10:30 AM
I had to LOL at this :D


It was a good one wasn't it.:)

blue
10-31-2008, 02:27 AM
Most recent antics by Phil Berg.


U.S. Supreme Court Asked to Delay Presidential Election
Posted by Brian W. Smith
Friday, October 31, 2008 12:33 AM EST


According to a press release from attorney Philip J. Berg, he filed a request with the United States Supreme Court on Thursday afternoon, for an injunction staying the presidential election until the Supreme Court determines whether Barack Hussein Obama is eligible to be President of the United States.

According to Mr Berg, he has filed two documents:
Application for an Immediate Injunction to Stay the Presidential Election of November 4, 2008; and
Petition for Writ of Certiorari.


Berg stated, “I am hopeful that the U.S. Supreme Court will grant the Injunction pending a review of this case to avoid a Constitutional Crisis by insisting that Obama produce certified documentation that he is or is not a “natural born” citizen and if he cannot produce documentation, that Obama be removed from the ballot for President".


Berg’s original lawsuit, Berg vs. Obama, was dismissed by the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania last Friday, for lack of standing. Berg questions the logic of the District Court's decision:

"This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution. If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States - the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world - then who does?"

Mr. Berg has stated that if Barack Hussein Obama will produce a certified "vault" birth certificate, a copy of his Certificate of Citizenship and a copy of his Oath of Allegiance to the United States, that he (Mr. Berg) will dismiss his lawsuit voluntarily. To date, Obama has refused to comply with Mr. Berg's request.

The interesting question to be possibly answered by the U.S. Supreme Court is whether voters, whether Republican, Democratic or Independent, have a right, under the Constitution, to challenge the eligibility of a presidential candidate.

With the presidential election a mere five days away, the Supreme Court will need to act quickly. It is unknown whether Berg asked for an emergency hearing.
Find this article at:
http://tallahassee.injuryboard.com/miscellaneous/us-supreme-court-asked-to-delay-presidential-election.aspx?googleid=250440
(c) 2008 InjuryBoard.com

Like the majority of you I doubt this will lead to anything, much less Mr. Berg's goal of getting Hitlery Clinton on the ballot for Nov 4.

Catty1
10-31-2008, 09:20 PM
Whether right or wrong, I suspect most Americans would lynch Mr Berg for even SUGGESTING that the election be dragged on BEYOND November 4th!

How you guys handle this for 2 years - wow! I'd have pulled out all my hair and been committed by now! :D