Help stop Internet Porn - Please!

[Dixieland Dancer]

My son was looking for something recently on the internet and did a basic search and was flooded with hits of pornography. His search was as basic as toys. I'm sure you can imagine the trash that hit the screen. I was appauled! I immediately got a filter that keeps that trash out of our home (hopefully) but I am told the libraries and some school computers do not have these filters. I believe the solution is to come up with laws that protect these innocent children from being bombarded with this kind of mind altering perversions.

If you agree, I would like to ask that you sign the attached petition. The bills in question have already passed the house but there is a threat it will be defeated in the senate. Thanks for your support! :D

Here is the link. (http://www.grassfire.net/16/petition.asp?PID=2116821&P=1)

I agree to this !!! All that unasked porno on the internet is a real pest !!!!

[Ann]

The land of the free huh?

If people wants to look at porn and want to have porn sites, then let them! I don't think it's right to force them to give up their domains and move to .adult or .sex or whatever. Now, I personally despise all sorts of porn and I despise the sex-centered society we live in, but we can't go around and tell what other people can do and not do! That simply isn't right.

BTW, do a search on altavista.com for "sexual education" and you will get up banners ON altavista with sexual content. That's sad and shouldn't be like that, that one I couldn't agree with more. The same goes for spam, but I hate ALL spam and not just the "buy viagra" shit.

And as for filtering programs, nothing suck worse. I have thankfully never been on a computer with a filter like that but I have heard stories about how people with those filters installed cannot go to a page that contains a cuss word or such things.

This reminds me of the V-chip or whatever it was called that was released in the USA. I heard a good saying about that which also goes for this; "the v-chip, the modern replacement for good parenting". If you don't want your kids going to porn sites, then get involved in what they do, care and spend more time with them and so on.

So sorry, but I won't be signing that petition. I'm sure I somehow will offend people with my post, but this is how I feel about things like that.

[jackiesdaisy1935]

Dixie, I agree with you wholeheartedly and have signed the petition. It seems every time you search for something, a porn site comes up. I was looking for something to do with the 'Whitehouse' meaning in Washington, D.C. and I got caught in a ton of porn sites. I hate it, you can't get out of them.
Jackie

[Former User]

I didn't sign it. Why? Well, because it won't help a bit. Sex and porn will never ever dissapear from this world, there's too much money involved in it and too much people involved in it. It's a pity, but can't be helped. This petition nor US Congress can't do a thing about Internet porn, for as long as there's people looking at it, we will have it. :( Wheter we like it or not.

[gini]

I have a friend who is an administrator at a very large law firm.

Years ago, when the firm installed computers and could network it was also easy to trace what sites were being viewed.

And what sites did these lawyers view - research? yeah, right!

Not just a few, but most of them went right to the porn sites.

[Dixieland Dancer]

Originally posted by Ann
The land of the free huh?

If people wants to look at porn and want to have porn sites, then let them! I don't think it's right to force them to give up their domains and move to .adult or .sex or whatever. Now, I personally despise all sorts of porn and I despise the sex-centered society we live in, but we can't go around and tell what other people can do and not do! That simply isn't right.

BTW, do a search on altavista.com for "sexual education" and you will get up banners ON altavista with sexual content. That's sad and shouldn't be like that, that one I couldn't agree with more. The same goes for spam, but I hate ALL spam and not just the "buy viagra" shit.

And as for filtering programs, nothing suck worse. I have thankfully never been on a computer with a filter like that but I have heard stories about how people with those filters installed cannot go to a page that contains a cuss word or such things.

This reminds me of the V-chip or whatever it was called that was released in the USA. I heard a good saying about that which also goes for this; "the v-chip, the modern replacement for good parenting". If you don't want your kids going to porn sites, then get involved in what they do, care and spend more time with them and so on.

So sorry, but I won't be signing that petition. I'm sure I somehow will offend people with my post, but this is how I feel about things like that.

Freedom is not free!! It was bought with a huge price!!! I for one am very thankful for the price that was paid and to all the families that have "sacrificed" to provide that freedom. The belief that the land of the free means everyone has the right to do whatever they want at the expense of others is not what America's freedom was originally all about and how it has gotten so misinterpreted is beyond me. We cannot afford to give the porn industry a free pass to assult our children.

I am not suggesting that pornography will be banned from users who want to look at it. I am merely interested in getting it to stop being so easy to unwittingly "fall" onto their sites to those who do NOT want to see it! Where are "our" freedoms and who is protecting them?

I am a very active parent with my son. I am glad that I have the kind of relationship with him that he can tell me about getting porn sites while looking for "toys" for a friends birthday present online! I am also not naive enough to believe that I can spend 24 hours a day with him and shelter him from all the sex, violence and general decay of moral values in the world today. I can only give him a strong foundation at home and hope it is enough to help him filter out the crap he is being bombarded with.

Why is is so hard for someone to switch their domain to .adult or .sex to preserve the innocense of our children. Why do they need to see someone mastrubating or performing oral sex or any other kind of sexual act on the internet? Perhaps the recent surge in kidnappings of so many children for the pleasure of child sex would not be as rampant as it is if we took a stronger stand on protecting the ones who can't protect themselves yet. The sad part is that then they are usually murdered so the perpetrator can attempt to remain anonimous without someone to tell what happened! Who tried to protect these childrens rights? I can with a clear conscience say that at least I tried even if it didn't succeed. A drop in a still lake still causes a ripple effect to some degree!!

I will take a filtering device on my PC anyday in order to try and protect my 12 year old son from being victimized by unwanted assults of pornography. That is one way I can show him I am involved in his life and that I am trying to protect him. I will "sacrifice" in order to keep him "free" from that trash! Actually it is no sacrifice for me since I don't want to have that trash unwantingly passed onto me either!!!! My home PC is in a very central room in our house so that I can see what and where he is going. When he does something innocent like looking for "toys" (something I would probably do a search on too if I was looking for general childrens toys) and is bombarded with porn, who is protecting his freedom? Who is making it safe for him to use his PC without being forced into looking at adult content.

I am sorry you feel that you can not sign the petition. Personally I don't expect everyone here too. Only those who agree with the message the petition stands for and that is simply don't make it so easy for porn to be distributed everywhere. It is no different than going to a grocery store and buying food and then one day going into the grocery store and having someone performing sex in front of your eyes when all you wanted was a dozen eggs!!!

My wish is that I didn't have to defend this post. My request wa for those "who agree" to sign the petition. I realized that not everyone would agree. There was no need to make flaming remarks about America and her being the land of the free. This freedom we possess gives us the right to sign or not to sign. There was no need to question the amount of time that parents spend with their children. Basically, there was no need to remark at all. I thought that was apparent from my original post. I would not of posted at all if I realized I was going to get flaming replies. :(

I will not reply to this post again. Please just ignore it if you don't want to sign the petition!!!

[lovemymaltese]

I heard that. It is the most disgusting thing ever. I am so sick of the emails with terrible phrases as the subject title, pop-up ads with dirty pictures, I am ready for it to stop too.

[Sudilar]

I signed the petition!!

[Ann]

In response to Dixieland Dancer:

Let me start off my reply with a quote from one of your presidents; "Those who would give up their essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.". This was said by Benjamin Franklin.

Then let me ask you, how did I FLAME you?! A flame is saying things like "go to hell you stupid moron yadda yadda" or whatever, what I said was just voicing my opinion and HARDLY a flame. Furthermore you are acting like I called you a bad parent; when in reality all I did was say a "witty" quote said about the V-chip which REMINDED me of this whole discussion.

And how can you act like this has to do with YOUR freedom? This is my biggest problem with discussion like this, it's "freedom" as long as it's something YOU like!! Just because you hate porn doesn't mean those people don't deserve THEIR freedom to have sites like that on the net. And sorry to say this, but for you to say that it's not as big deal for the porn owners to give up their domain names just shows that you really know a little about this. Domains are extremely hard to come by these days cause everything's already been registered and a domain name is a trademark, people know it by that name. To force people to give up their property and get some new extension is silly and would not even do any good at all!

I'm not even going to get involved in your whole comment about how you are "thankful for all the soldiers who sacrificed their lives to keep the USA free" because that is one of the things that piss me off more than anything. War is NOT fought to keep a country free; it's fought so a select few people can gain more POWER and MONEY. I suppose you're one of those people who think Hiroshima and Nagasaki is all great and dandy right?

Oh well... I hate getting involved in things like this, it's so pointless. All I did was state my OPINION and you had to act like I was flaming you just ONLY because I did not agree with YOUR view.

Sorry... This is just so silly of us.

[wolflady]

Dixie, I signed the petition. I agree with you whole heartedly. Porn (sleaze) is probably the one thing I hate most in this world aside from cruelty and mean people and no morals. I think it's rediculous that I have to see this f***ing garbage when I don't want to. What about my freedom FROM sleaze?? It really gets me that people can ban WORDS from the Pledge of Allegiance, but we can't ban Sleaze??!!!! :mad: I have no respect for people interested in that garbage and even less respect for the people that act in/ pose for the sole purpose of being sleazy. I have the highest respect for men who do not like that crap (which is few and far between). As for child porn, that is just sick. What kind of sickos would do that to a child and post it on the internet for other sickos to look at??!!! :mad: Frankly, they should all be arrested.
What about our freedom to protect our children from sleaze and from being corrupted. Why is it that there are children 12 years old having children. It seems this world is going to hell in a handbasket because kids are so desensitized to sleaze and violence at such a young age these days. Too bad the media doesn't try and promote morals in society. To be honest, that is one of the reasons I'm unsure I want to have children, because what will they be exposed to??

I agree that all the disgusting piggish sleaze balls that WANT to look at porn can do so in the privacy of their own home...and pay fees to view it. So, I'm not saying to ban it altogether, because I know that would never happen. But, if there were fees charged for that garbage, then obviously the people that WANT to look at that crap...can. They can pay for it. As long as it's not forced on me, that's fine. But I think it's absolutely REDICULOUS that no matter what you may be searching for on the internet....free easily accessible porn links are available and sometimes even forced upon you (pop up windows). That is just unfair to the people that have morals and DO NOT support that crap. Heck, I was doing some research on Bluebirds for my mom and I got hits of porn. Bluebirds!! :confused:
I'm sorry, but this is just a sore subject with me (and I don't mean to offend anyone. We all have our opinions...and my opinion is I hate that crap and I don't think it's fair that it's forced upon so many people so easily)...and if they can ban WORDS from certain things, certainly porn is more destructive to people than a word is.....:rolleyes:

[moosmom]

Boy is this a hot and heavy subject (no pun intended:eek: ). I think we all have good points here.

I was once searching for "pet shelters" or something like that for a story I was writing and what popped up on my screen was a woman with big boobs and a bunch of other nasty crap!! :eek: I was mortified and looked around to make sure no one from work was looking over my shoulder.

Personally, I am also sick of it. If I wanted to see porn, I would've gone onto a porn site. I hate having that crap shoved in my face. And I'm tired of the spam mail I get (38-50 a day) telling me in the re: line "you've gotta see this!!" I make it a point of not opening ANY e-mail from anyone I don't recognize. That's why I urge people who want to e-mail me to put their name in the re: line so I know who it is.

The major point I want to make here is that it is the parent's responsibility to monitor their children's internet activity. That's what "parental blocks" are for. The internet should not be used as a babysitter. In this day and age, and I am not accusing anyone, just making a point, it is so easy to tell your kid to find something to do. Computers and the internet are a wonderful learning and research tool. But it is also a black hole for some pretty scary stuff. The internet should be used wisely.

If you want to see porno, fine, it's your choice. Porno should be a choice not something that is forced upon you. Did I sign the petition? No, for the same reason Casper & Kitty did. I don't think it's going to make a difference. If I did, I certainly would have signed it.

[ChrisH]

I signed the petiton.
I really don`t want to get into a debate here, I would just like to echo Dixieland Dancers request for "those who agree to sign the petition". Forgive me if I`m wrong but it does seem that some have not looked at what the petition actually asks and have just dismissed it out of hand. As for not making any difference maybe, maybe not, but there is a quotation I heard somewhere which says something like: "All that is needed for evil to flourish is for good men to stand by and do nothing"

[mugsy]

I'm with you Ann, we have a thing here in the US called freedom of speech and expression. While I personally despise porn, I won't interfere with other people's right to view it. I find it degrading to women, but, I guess, they made the choice to participate, so, they must not mind and as long as they leave me alone, then all the better. As for pop-ups, just delete them....it's just one button. That is one of the reasons I wouldn't use AOL on a bet because they allow the popups and ads etc. We don't get them at all with comcast because they don't let it in. Now, they do have the right to send it as a means of advertising, so if your ISP allows it...just delete it.

I don't know all of what's going on with this thread since a few of the people responding are on my ignore list, but, our Constitution, for better or worse, allows us to express ourselves freely. By censoring, all you are doing are furthering the "Big Brother" syndrome.

By the way, some of us were black balled on this particular forum for not dealing with pet related stuff, so why is this ok?

I respect everyone's opinion on here and everywhere else since this is what makes us "us" and any different is being intolerant, but I won't be signing the petition either.

[Former User]

Originally posted by ChrisH
Forgive me if I`m wrong but it does seem that some have not looked at what the petition actually asks and have just dismissed it out of hand.

I can only speak for myself, but I looked it thru, didn't just come here to express my opinion without reading the subject first!

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by Ann
The land of the free huh?

If people wants to look at porn and want to have porn sites, then let them! I don't think it's right to force them to give up their domains and move to .adult or .sex or whatever. Now, I personally despise all sorts of porn and I despise the sex-centered society we live in, but we can't go around and tell what other people can do and not do! That simply isn't right.

BTW, do a search on altavista.com for "sexual education" and you will get up banners ON altavista with sexual content. That's sad and shouldn't be like that, that one I couldn't agree with more. The same goes for spam, but I hate ALL spam and not just the "buy viagra" shit.

And as for filtering programs, nothing suck worse. I have thankfully never been on a computer with a filter like that but I have heard stories about how people with those filters installed cannot go to a page that contains a cuss word or such things.

This reminds me of the V-chip or whatever it was called that was released in the USA. I heard a good saying about that which also goes for this; "the v-chip, the modern replacement for good parenting". If you don't want your kids going to porn sites, then get involved in what they do, care and spend more time with them and so on.

So sorry, but I won't be signing that petition. I'm sure I somehow will offend people with my post, but this is how I feel about things like that.

I agree with you. Sheesh! They need to ban this crap! There are many countries that have banned such sites nationwide, so no one can access them. Some examples are China, Saudia Arabia, and many more. I think all countries should ban these trashy websites. Internet Explorer has a good block, tha blocks bad sites. I have it on my computer and it works great! It doesn't allow you to access bad sites. I think you can set it by clicking on tools and then on Internet Options.

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by Ann
In response to Dixieland Dancer:

Let me start off my reply with a quote from one of your presidents; "Those who would give up their essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.". This was said by Benjamin Franklin.

Then let me ask you, how did I FLAME you?! A flame is saying things like "go to hell you stupid moron yadda yadda" or whatever, what I said was just voicing my opinion and HARDLY a flame. Furthermore you are acting like I called you a bad parent; when in reality all I did was say a "witty" quote said about the V-chip which REMINDED me of this whole discussion.

And how can you act like this has to do with YOUR freedom? This is my biggest problem with discussion like this, it's "freedom" as long as it's something YOU like!! Just because you hate porn doesn't mean those people don't deserve THEIR freedom to have sites like that on the net. And sorry to say this, but for you to say that it's not as big deal for the porn owners to give up their domain names just shows that you really know a little about this. Domains are extremely hard to come by these days cause everything's already been registered and a domain name is a trademark, people know it by that name. To force people to give up their property and get some new extension is silly and would not even do any good at all!

I'm not even going to get involved in your whole comment about how you are "thankful for all the soldiers who sacrificed their lives to keep the USA free" because that is one of the things that piss me off more than anything. War is NOT fought to keep a country free; it's fought so a select few people can gain more POWER and MONEY. I suppose you're one of those people who think Hiroshima and Nagasaki is all great and dandy right?

Oh well... I hate getting involved in things like this, it's so pointless. All I did was state my OPINION and you had to act like I was flaming you just ONLY because I did not agree with YOUR view.

Sorry... This is just so silly of us.

Hey Ann, I agree with everything you said. So true. Yeah there is freedom for whites and all, but ask people of other races. Its unfair to make your country "free" while ruining the freedom of others in their own countries. I don't want to make this a big argument, so let's please stop here. :D

[anna_66]

We also have Internet Explorer (with the filtering set at 0), and we also have a cable ISP, does this make a difference in the sexual sites that are popped up on your computer? I personally have had none of this happen to me (I am a novice computer operator of 9 mos). Is it common to have this stuff "pop-up" on your screen while doing a search? I "can" access porn if I "wanted" to, which I don't but it doesn't just pop up.
And as for email, I have a filter on that (I might get a nasty message every once in a blue moon), but no pictures or anything.
Anyone care to answer my questions, please?

[wolf_Q]

I personally am sick of porn. I get crap in my email all the time, and it's hard to do a search on anything without running into it. I'm not going to get into the debate, but I do think there should be SOMETHING done to not make it so easily accesible to anyone! Let's not get into a fight here, but everyone is allowed to state their opinions.


I don't know all of what's going on with this thread since a few of the people responding are on my ignore list

I've never had to ignore anyone here, it seems to be moderated very well! :)

[Dixieland Dancer]

I realize I said I would not respond to this thread again but I feel the need to very strongly!

Originally posted by Ann

Let me start off my reply with a quote from one of your presidents; "Those who would give up their essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.". This was said by Benjamin Franklin.

Response: The key to this phrase is ESSENTIAL liberty. If you can tell me how internet porn is an ESSENTIAL liberty then I will tell you I am being foolish! ESSENTIAL to me means necessary... something vital to humanity's well being such as where you work, where you worship, who you associate with or marry. ESSENTIAL means to me that it has to be something indespensible for the betterment of all mankind. I do not see internet porn as being something that is for the betterment of our society. Purchasing temporary safety in Ben Franklin's quote did not refer to internet porn in any way. He was talking about those who would not fight for democracy but cowarded for the safety of Englands rule when we were a fighting to become a nation independant of Englands rule. He was actually addressing those who surcombed to the King of Englands wishes during the American revolutionary war but wanted to still receive the benefits of living in the new American democracy.


Originally posted by Ann

Then let me ask you, how did I FLAME you?! A flame is saying things like "go to hell you stupid moron yadda yadda" or whatever, what I said was just voicing my opinion and HARDLY a flame. Furthermore you are acting like I called you a bad parent; when in reality all I did was say a "witty" quote said about the V-chip which REMINDED me of this whole discussion.


Response:
I took this to indicate that because my son hit a porn site I was not watching him closely enough on the computer. If this was not your intention, then I apologize.


Originally posted by Ann

And how can you act like this has to do with YOUR freedom? This is my biggest problem with discussion like this, it's "freedom" as long as it's something YOU like!! Just because you hate porn doesn't mean those people don't deserve THEIR freedom to have sites like that on the net.

Response:
So is it freedom because someone decides they think it's right even if they hurt other people in the long run? Where do you draw the line? If it is freedom just because someone thinks they have the right to do it then why is murder not a freedom. Why is drinking and driving not a freedom? Why is child molestation not a freedom? It is not freedom just because it is something I like. It is freedom because it is for the well being of all mankind who live under democratic rule. That is why we have the checks and balance system in the USA. To make sure that someone doesn't misconstrue what is a freedom and what is not.


Originally posted by Ann

And sorry to say this, but for you to say that it's not as big deal for the porn owners to give up their domain names just shows that you really know a little about this. Domains are extremely hard to come by these days cause everything's already been registered and a domain name is a trademark, people know it by that name. To force people to give up their property and get some new extension is silly and would not even do any good at all!

Response:
I do know very well what is involved. I have been a systems engineer for major corporations for the past 18 years. My primary responsibility at my current job is connectivity of subsidiaries all over the world via the internet in numerous corporate sites. I was on the ground floor in TCP/IP when corporations were evolving their internet connections. I have been sent to numerous professional schools to learn all about the world of domain hosting and connectivity. While it may be a temporary inconvience to the porn industry to convert, I place the welfare of innocent children who do not need to have that filth thrown at them from every direction, at a higher value!

Originally posted by Ann

I'm not even going to get involved in your whole comment about how you are "thankful for all the soldiers who sacrificed their lives to keep the USA free" because that is one of the things that piss me off more than anything. War is NOT fought to keep a country free; it's fought so a select few people can gain more POWER and MONEY. I suppose you're one of those people who think Hiroshima and Nagasaki is all great and dandy right?

Response:
No I do not think Hiroshima and Nagasaki were all great. Neither do I think the sneak attach on Pearl Harbor was ok by the Imperial Japanese army. What was done at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was an act of war, and act I might add was started by Japan. America was not in the war when they attacked us on our own soil.

My 26 year old son is currently a US Marine. He does not train to go to battle so a few elite people can become more powerful and have more money. He trains so that people who hate America and feel they can come and tear her down like they did on September 11th, 2001 can be stopped. He trains so that we can live and worship without being beaten and killed because of what we believe in. I do appreaciate the sacrifice the soldiers of WWII gave and the soldier of all the other wars. If my son was to die in fighting for his country and did not believe it was to defend our unelienable rights as human beings, then his death is for nothing. That is sadder than any other thing I can think of. :(

Ann, I do not know anything about you and choose not to get in a word battle with you. I have studied the Revolutionary War and the history behind the Declaration of Independance. I know the history of our Civil War and also know probably more than any of these the history of WWII. I know who I will vote for and why. I do not take my patriotism lightly. I still salute our flag when our National Anthem is sung and stand at attention when it passes by in a parade. I am an American and will also stand to defend my country not for money or power but because I believe in what she stands for! America did not come into existance so the pedifiles could get an easier shot at our children through internet pornography.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

Originally posted by Ann

Sorry... This is just so silly of us.

Response:

Finally a statement we can agree on!! ;)

[mugsy]

Anna, I think the cable ISPs are better about that stuff and most others. I know the "free" ISPs have pop-ups all the time. AOL is notorious for it too. I have a yahoo email and there's porn everywhere on that...I just hit delete and move on. That's really about all I ever get on that. Now my comcast email, I get nothing because they don't put anything through that is not solicited. Pop-ups are at the descretion of the ISP as far as I understand. I will check with Mike and see and let you know.

[moosmom]

BY THE WAY, SOME OF US WERE BLACKBALLED ON THIS PARTICULAR FORUM FOR NOT DEALING WITH PET RELATED STUFF, SO WHY IS THIS OKAY??

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the "General" forum for discussions about anything other than pet related issues? No disrespect intended, just curious.

[Soledad]

Well put Mugsy and Anne!

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by anna_66
We also have Internet Explorer (with the filtering set at 0), and we also have a cable ISP, does this make a difference in the sexual sites that are popped up on your computer? I personally have had none of this happen to me (I am a novice computer operator of 9 mos). Is it common to have this stuff "pop-up" on your screen while doing a search? I "can" access porn if I "wanted" to, which I don't but it doesn't just pop up.
And as for email, I have a filter on that (I might get a nasty message every once in a blue moon), but no pictures or anything.
Anyone care to answer my questions, please?

I have DSL and have never really had a bad site pop up window. I do get pop up advertisments sometimes, but nothing bad........just phone rates advertisments, etc. The Internet Explorer filter thing blocks the right sites, and not the wrong ones. I mean, like it doesn't block stuff its not supposed to block like other dumb filters I've experienced. If anyone tries to access bad sites on my computer (no one in the house ever would) they can't. I have my bulk mail filter set of hotmail, and it keeps most of the junk out, but not all. :( I wish it would filter all the trashy emails! I have a policy though, of not opening any email that I don't know where its coming from. All my junk mail goes straight to the trash. :D

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by mugsy
I'm with you Ann, we have a thing here in the US called freedom of speech and expression. While I personally despise porn, I won't interfere with other people's right to view it. I find it degrading to women, but, I guess, they made the choice to participate, so, they must not mind and as long as they leave me alone, then all the better. As for pop-ups, just delete them....it's just one button. That is one of the reasons I wouldn't use AOL on a bet because they allow the popups and ads etc. We don't get them at all with comcast because they don't let it in. Now, they do have the right to send it as a means of advertising, so if your ISP allows it...just delete it.

I don't know all of what's going on with this thread since a few of the people responding are on my ignore list, but, our Constitution, for better or worse, allows us to express ourselves freely. By censoring, all you are doing are furthering the "Big Brother" syndrome.

By the way, some of us were black balled on this particular forum for not dealing with pet related stuff, so why is this ok?

I respect everyone's opinion on here and everywhere else since this is what makes us "us" and any different is being intolerant, but I won't be signing the petition either.

I totally agree with you, but some women like to be degraded nowadays. :rolleyes: Some idiots. I consider these women, abused women snatched from their rights, and they don't know it. :mad:

[Cincy'sMom]

I don't want to get in the middle of this becuase I think both "sides" make excellent points. I will say I did sign the petition, not becuase I think all porn should be off the internet...if you want to look at it that is your right. I find it disgusting. I signed the petition because I am tired of my hotmail inbox being filled with porn related links and the like. I think it is way too easy to access esp. for kids and that needs to be better controled. Does that take away some freedom? Maybe. But does it protect kids? Yes. Which aspect is more important? That is a question that can only be answered by each individual person...and it won't be the same for everyone.

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by Cincy'sMom
I don't want to get in the middle of this becuase I think both "sides" make excellent points. I will say I did sign the petition, not becuase I think all porn should be off the internet...if you want to look at it that is your right. I find it disgusting. I signed the petition because I am tired of my hotmail inbox being filled with porn related links and the like. I think it is way too easy to access esp. for kids and that needs to be better controled. Does that take away some freedom? Maybe. But does it protect kids? Yes. Which aspect is more important? That is a question that can only be answered by each individual person...and it won't be the same for everyone.

Freedom is a very important aspect in life, and all people should have the right to live a free life. There are some aspects of freedom, however, that if provided openly, bring harm to the society. The more people allowed to visit such websites, the greater the risk of having an immoral, disgusting society. I think freedom should be there, but not in this aspect. It is better to have a clean society, than to provide freedom in every single thing including absolutely unacceptable activities, that bring harm to the society.

[wolflady]

Originally posted by popcornbird


Freedom is a very important aspect in life, and all people should have the right to live a free life. There are some aspects of freedom, however, that if provided openly, bring harm to the society. The more people allowed to visit such websites, the greater the risk of having an immoral, disgusting society. I think freedom should be there, but not in this aspect. It is better to have a clean society, than to provide freedom in every single thing including absolutely unacceptable activities, that bring harm to the society.

Well said:)

[jackiesdaisy1935]

I'm not even going to get involved in your whole comment about how you are "thankful for all the soldiers who sacrificed their lives to keep the USA free" because that is one of the things that piss me off more than anything. War is NOT fought to keep a country free; it's fought so a select few people can gain more POWER and MONEY. I suppose you're one of those people who think Hiroshima and Nagasaki is all great and dandy right? Ann

THAT'S IT FOR ME, my husband spent 25 years in the Navy in Navy Helicopters, he was in Korea and Viet Nam, working around the clock, day in and day out, why do you think he did that? For the fun of it? For the great pay? He spent 8 months at a time away from home so that the people in this country could be free.
How do you know why war is fought, you have lived in a neutral country safe and sound for many, many years. Never took a stand as far as I know.
Don't you dare tell us you are pissed off about hearing all about the soldiers who gave their lives for freedom and the soldiers, sailors and marines who are over there now trying to protect us from the terrorism that is worldwide. You could be the next target, and would be glad to see those U.S. Marines, Navymen and Soldiers.
As far as Porn, it was a lot better when it was in the closet, at least the kids weren't subjected to it on the computer, magazines, movies etc. etc. Does everyone think this country is better off now that there is hardly any censoring at all? Geee fifty years ago I don't remember this much child pornography, this much child abduction, this much rape and this much murdering of our little children. I don't believe our forefathers realized freedom of speech, etc. etc. would ever go this far.
It hurts to know how some people feel on this board, I just put a post on my site to thank the men in uniform for their unselfish devotion to God and Country.
Jackie

[Soledad]

who sets the standards for what's acceptable and what isn't? And at what point does it stop? I'm not really interested in living in a world where other people decide what I see and what I don't see. What are we going to do next, Popcornbird, burn books?

[wolf_Q]

Where is Karen? :confused:

This may be the "general" section of Pet Talk but it's still "Pet" Talk...nice, friendly, caring Pet Talk....

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by Soledad
who sets the standards for what's acceptable and what isn't? And at what point does it stop? I'm not really interested in living in a world where other people decide what I see and what I don't see. What are we going to do next, Popcornbird, burn books?

I have no idea what you are talking about, and what post you are replying to. I have no idea where on earth you got this " What are we going to do next, Popcornbird, burn books?" crap from, and what you mean by it. I was talking about the disgusting sites the whole time, and that they should not be allowed ***my opinion.*** Its better to have a clean society than to provide freedom in every aspect, such as the porn thing. Everyone should be provided with freedom, but not freedom that will because a cause of corruption (I hope you understand what I mean by this). For me, God sets the standards of what is acceptable and what isn't, and in God's eyes, these nasty sites are totally inacceptable. Almost all major world religions forbid such things. I do NOT want to get into an argument or anything, and I don't know what you are talking about. Shall we end it here? :rolleyes:

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by wolf_Q
Where is Karen? :confused:

This may be the "general" section of Pet Talk but it's still "Pet" Talk...nice, friendly, caring Pet Talk....

I agree with you wolf_Q. Let's put an end to this. :D

[ChrisH]

Sorry I posted this before I read the "end it" stuff.

This thread struck a nerve with me because of what made the news today in my small corner of the world. Here is the link Online Paedophile suspects arrested (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2220998.stm)
This problem is worldwide, just the same as the internet is worldwide, that is why I signed the petition. Not to curtail anyones freedom, God forbid.
I love America, as many of my country men and women do, what it stands for, most everything about your country, nearly as much as I love my own. I was able to be born here 56 years ago and am also able to live in freedom, because of the combined stand and sacrifice of the people of your land, my land, and other brave peoples too, to keep that freedom and keep darkness at bay. I am not trying to glorify war or even advocate it. But sometimes, as then, when being attacked, when your way of life, indeed the life of your family, friends and neighbors is in mortal danger, it cannot be avoided.
I know this issue today is not exactly the same thing but to me, by anyones standards this child porn stuff is surely totally unaccepable. Full stop. I am certain there is no-one here who will disagree with me on that. To me, if a "war" against that, if stopping it somehow, means curtailing some freedom, well, so be it.

[Soledad]

Sorry if I offended you. Didn't mean for that. You seem really interested in the debate and I was confused by many of your statements, such as "freedom for whites" and saying that we should be like Saudi Arabia and ban porn (??!!). Seeing as Saudi Arabia is one of the most oppressive states, these statements are somewhat disturbing to me. But, like I said, didn't mean to offend you.

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by Soledad
Sorry if I offended you. Didn't mean for that. You seem really interested in the debate and I was confused by many of your statements, such as "freedom for whites" and saying that we should be like Saudi Arabia and ban porn (??!!). Seeing as Saudi Arabia is one of the most oppressive states, these statements are somewhat disturbing to me. But, like I said, didn't mean to offend you.

Saudi Arabia has many stupid laws but it also has good ones "like banning bad sites." I mentioned China as well. I was mentioning it because its one of the states that has bad sites banned, and I like that law, although I do NOT like many of their rules, even though they also have good ones. I have been there many times and it is not what many Americans think it to be. From the "freedom for whites" thing, I know that the Constitution provides freedom to everyone, but it is not ALWAYS implied. I know what the blacks went through, although they achieved their freedom through lots of struggle, and I know what the Japanese in the States went through during the Haroshima/Nagasaki war, even though you had the same rights in the Constitution at that time (correct me if I'm wrong). I think you mis-understood my statements. I did NOT mean to offend anyone and I was surprised by your reply, but I guess you didn't mean to offend me either. Sorry if I said anything that offended you or anyone else. And let's get this over with! :D

[Soledad]

I'm still confused and don't understand where you're going with this. Oh well, not important anyway. I'll end this by saying that I'm not for censorship or having politicians dictate to me what I can and cannot see, and what is considered "decent". I don't want to live in a country like Saudi Arabia or China.

[Dixieland Dancer]

Originally posted by Soledad
who sets the standards for what's acceptable and what isn't? And at what point does it stop? I'm not really interested in living in a world where other people decide what I see and what I don't see.

Who - GOD!

[Soledad]

Hitler also believed in censoring what people saw if he considered it 'indecent'. He then went on to burn books, destroy art, and basically wipe out a large part of our world history.

[Soledad]

We live in a secular society. I don't believe in your God and don't want to be told to live by rules that someone else's religion created.

[Karen]

Okay, folks, as to "Where is Karen?" I was having an extremely hectic day at my other job, and was not able to be on Pet Talk for much of the afternoon because the Inetrnet Service Provider we use here and at the office I work at wasn't connecting to most of the Internet at all.

I am sorry.

This is a controversial subject that people feel strongly about. Anyone who wants to debate this can go to any city street corner and find willing debaters, I am sure.

I am closing this thread before more people read a few posts, then post without reading the whole thread, and perpetuate the argument.

Everyone go snuggle a pet!

If you're mad at me for closing this thread PM me, okay? You have the freedom to do that!