pitc9
03-12-2008, 08:47 AM
This IS long... but it's a VERY serious situation that's happening right now and I need PT feedback please!!!
My brother in law and his wife have his & her dogs. Murphy a 10 year old Springer came with her and Sage is my brother in laws 4 year old GSD. Murphy was purchased from a breeder by my SIL for no other reason other than he was a medium sized dog.
Murphy was never crate trained, is food, toy and garbage/ anything and everything in or near his mouth aggressive. He has bitten my SIL on the lip when she took a sock away from him, resulting in 14 stitches. (She was lying on the bed with him and she was trying to make a game of it to try to get the sock away from him) He has bitten me (didn’t break skin) when I was at the house and grabbed him collar to keep him from escaping the yard. He has bitten and snapped at (no broken skin) my brother in law quite a few times for various reasons. He has had a full panel done at the vet twice and nothing was found. They had a trained/behaviorist out and have tried to keep up with the advise that she gave them, but I think it was too much like work for both of them so they stopped working with him. The only thing they followed through with was my sil taking him to work with her every day, that was until she had a baby last August. Anything that they did to help him change his bad behaviors went down the drain. They were back to square one with him AND had a baby. Since going back to work after the baby, he’s gone back to work with her. He doesn’t mind it, loves the extra attention that the workers give him most importantly, he gets the one on one time he used to have with her when she first got him. But then, last week his latest victim was my sil’s boss’s 10 year old son.
Murphy had stolen a tissue out of the garbage, the boy knew all about Murphy’s problems so instead of reaching for it, he told Murphy to drop it. Murphy did, then when the boy reached down to pick it up Murphy bit his knee, leaving bruising and swelling. My sil and Murphy went back to the vet and her vet told her to put him down. He’s too unpredictable; he’d rather deal with a dog that is like that all the time rather than a dog like Murphy. So she contacted me and I told her I’m not going to give up without trying everything, I gave her a list of rescues to contact and she did. All e-mailed or called her back and told her they would not take him and they all told her it would be best to have him put to sleep.
She spoke with an English Springer Rescue America, Inc. (ESRA). “She told me that there is nothing I can do but to humanely euthanize Murphy. I got Murphy from a breeder in Salem, Ohio, Debbie Beard. Judy said that Murphy is genetically aggressive and he can't be corrected. Judy had nothing nice to say about Debbie and said that Debbie should be shot for all of the hurt she has caused families and dogs. She has list dating back to 1992 about dogs who were put down from this breeder. I didn't know this at the time, but Murphy did come from a puppy mill. He was born on a farm and lived in a chicken coop with several puppies and grown dogs. Debbie gave him a bath before we left and I thought she was doing this because it was muddy and rainy outside. I know believe that this woman is nothing but a low life and doesn't care about the dogs she breeds or who she sells them to.”
Yet another HUGE blow against Murph….
Then she e-mailed me yesterday:
“I wanted to let you know that I might have some good news about Murphy. Yesterday my boss came to me and said that he couldn't let me put Murphy down and wanted me to hear him out with an idea he has. He suggested putting Murphy in a pen out in our shop at night and on the weekends. He is even going to make him a pen for outside in the summer. We have a "cage area" where we keep our tool box, cleaning supplies, mops, etc...Our shop is heated and fairly clean. I am going to make him a little home in there, bring in a radio and some toys for him. Even though someone is here on Saturdays, Joe and I will come on the weekend to let him out and feed him. Of course I will work with him so he is acclimated to his new surroundings. I am hoping that this will work. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't try all possibilities. My mom said that she would even take him some weekends to her house. Keep your fingers crossed.”
Someone her mom knows has a farm and they said he could come live there where he would live on a outside 24/7, I’ve since talked her out of that.
I need opinions please.
Do you think Murphy would be better off being PTS or living at her place of work?
My brother in law and his wife have his & her dogs. Murphy a 10 year old Springer came with her and Sage is my brother in laws 4 year old GSD. Murphy was purchased from a breeder by my SIL for no other reason other than he was a medium sized dog.
Murphy was never crate trained, is food, toy and garbage/ anything and everything in or near his mouth aggressive. He has bitten my SIL on the lip when she took a sock away from him, resulting in 14 stitches. (She was lying on the bed with him and she was trying to make a game of it to try to get the sock away from him) He has bitten me (didn’t break skin) when I was at the house and grabbed him collar to keep him from escaping the yard. He has bitten and snapped at (no broken skin) my brother in law quite a few times for various reasons. He has had a full panel done at the vet twice and nothing was found. They had a trained/behaviorist out and have tried to keep up with the advise that she gave them, but I think it was too much like work for both of them so they stopped working with him. The only thing they followed through with was my sil taking him to work with her every day, that was until she had a baby last August. Anything that they did to help him change his bad behaviors went down the drain. They were back to square one with him AND had a baby. Since going back to work after the baby, he’s gone back to work with her. He doesn’t mind it, loves the extra attention that the workers give him most importantly, he gets the one on one time he used to have with her when she first got him. But then, last week his latest victim was my sil’s boss’s 10 year old son.
Murphy had stolen a tissue out of the garbage, the boy knew all about Murphy’s problems so instead of reaching for it, he told Murphy to drop it. Murphy did, then when the boy reached down to pick it up Murphy bit his knee, leaving bruising and swelling. My sil and Murphy went back to the vet and her vet told her to put him down. He’s too unpredictable; he’d rather deal with a dog that is like that all the time rather than a dog like Murphy. So she contacted me and I told her I’m not going to give up without trying everything, I gave her a list of rescues to contact and she did. All e-mailed or called her back and told her they would not take him and they all told her it would be best to have him put to sleep.
She spoke with an English Springer Rescue America, Inc. (ESRA). “She told me that there is nothing I can do but to humanely euthanize Murphy. I got Murphy from a breeder in Salem, Ohio, Debbie Beard. Judy said that Murphy is genetically aggressive and he can't be corrected. Judy had nothing nice to say about Debbie and said that Debbie should be shot for all of the hurt she has caused families and dogs. She has list dating back to 1992 about dogs who were put down from this breeder. I didn't know this at the time, but Murphy did come from a puppy mill. He was born on a farm and lived in a chicken coop with several puppies and grown dogs. Debbie gave him a bath before we left and I thought she was doing this because it was muddy and rainy outside. I know believe that this woman is nothing but a low life and doesn't care about the dogs she breeds or who she sells them to.”
Yet another HUGE blow against Murph….
Then she e-mailed me yesterday:
“I wanted to let you know that I might have some good news about Murphy. Yesterday my boss came to me and said that he couldn't let me put Murphy down and wanted me to hear him out with an idea he has. He suggested putting Murphy in a pen out in our shop at night and on the weekends. He is even going to make him a pen for outside in the summer. We have a "cage area" where we keep our tool box, cleaning supplies, mops, etc...Our shop is heated and fairly clean. I am going to make him a little home in there, bring in a radio and some toys for him. Even though someone is here on Saturdays, Joe and I will come on the weekend to let him out and feed him. Of course I will work with him so he is acclimated to his new surroundings. I am hoping that this will work. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't try all possibilities. My mom said that she would even take him some weekends to her house. Keep your fingers crossed.”
Someone her mom knows has a farm and they said he could come live there where he would live on a outside 24/7, I’ve since talked her out of that.
I need opinions please.
Do you think Murphy would be better off being PTS or living at her place of work?