Breeders?

[coco-bean]

Just curious as to who all on PT is a breeder? i know just from i believe yesterday that Borzoimom is but i was curious who else is?

[luvofallhorses]

not me, I am all for adopting and helping homeless animals. I would never breed in my life, there's too many homeless animals out there that need homes already. :(
anyways.. I believe LuvGold00 is a breeder.

[binka_nugget]

Wolfsoul's Visa had her first litter recently. Luvgold00 breeds goldens.. but I haven't seen her around lately. I plan on breeding Keeva in a few years after she gets her CH and some working titles.

[applesmom]

I was an occasional (a litter every 2 to 4 years) breeder of German Shorthaired Pointers from the early 70's until the mid to late "80's when I became painstakingly aware of the pet overpopulation problem.

After having my eyes opened to the tragedy of homeless dogs of all types and sizes, I could not justify a single reason for us to produce even one more puppy while dogs were dying in shelters all across the country.

Our pups were always spoken for before the breeding even took place and went to hunting or competition homes where they were also beloved pets. We only bred a litter when we planned to keep at least one puppy for ourselves. Not a good enough excuse to add to the tragedy with many other excellent breeders of GSP's out there..

[NicoleLJ]

I will hopefully be breeding my first litter of White Shepherds this Spring. But I agree with others that breeding should not be taken lightly with had bad the pet over population is. I did fostering and rescue for 12 or so years before I decided to breed and I still rescue. All my pets, except for Sheena are all rescues, even the ferrets. I wish that all people wishing to breed would be required to work in a rescue for at least 5 years so they could see the population problem. Might change many minds and if not it might help them to at least do it right. And even once a breeder I personally think all breeders should still be required to rescue in some way. I have a dream that I hope to fullfill in a couple of years of starting the first White Shepherd rescue in all of Canada. These of course are just my personal opinions.
Nicole

[lute]

I am not a breeder. I hope to someday show and breed Great Danes. This dream won't become a reality for many years, but someday. While I'm waiting for my dream to come true I'm doing rescue work. Even when I do start breeding I'll still be involved in rescue. I'll always have a foster! Never add to the problem unless you are going to do your part in helping it!

I was going to breed Gracie this year when/if she passed all her genetic tests, had gotten atleast a few pts toward her CH, and find the right stud. Because Gracie is 1 1/2in over the breed standard she is unshowable I had her spayed. I don't think unshowable dogs should be bred.

[Ceph]

I am not right now, but I am planning on breeding White Shepherds/Berger Blanc Suisse. I have a puppy coming home with me in June...I plan on learning with him or her and showing (and making sure he or she is genetically sound before I do anything past that)....It's something of a dream to have a small kennel for that breed, and to bring the lines that are all over the world together to breed a superior dog....or at least make the breed better. ;) Thats the whole point I think.

[lute]

make the breed better. ;) Thats the whole point I think.

AMEN! I wish you could convince all the pet breeders, BYB and puppymillers that!

[wolfsoul]

Visa had her first litter last year -- she will have her next and last litter in fall 2009 or spring 2010. I keep changing my mind about which male I want to breed to -- but I know the lines I am breeding to -- they are working lines made up mostly of malinois. Will bring very good nerves, sociability, confidence, and all-around good temperaments -- will also stabilize Visa's drive. Should be a very nice outcross before I cross back into my own lines. For Visa's daughter (I am keeping from the breeding) I want to see what frozen semen I can find that goes back into Visa's pedigree before some certain dogs. There are a couple of dogs in her pedigree that I do not like and so I would like to take the linebreeding further back and accentuate those particular lines. Visa is a dying line and I want to keep it alive, with occasional outcrosses for temperament, health, and type.

Breeding definatly takes dedication. I knew it was hard, going into it, but I didn't know it was an everyday job. I stay up late, researching dogs, lines, pedigrees...I never knew how important a pedigree was before. I can't just look at the dog's health clearances -- I must look at the health clearances of the dog's parents, littermates, offspring, etc. I email breeders on an almost daily basis, trying to gather as much information about certain dogs as I can. I am proud to know Visa's pedigree very well and am still very open to learning anything new. I know some people here have showed interest in a Visa pup in the future; Feel free to ask me about the strengths and weaknesses in her pedigree, as I am very open and honest about any issues. Or if you decide to go with another breeder, still feel free to do the same -- I will not be at all upset to know you are looking elsewhere.

I also agree -- rescuing and fostering is very important. I almost always have litters of kittens for adoption, and I keep momma cats while they are waiting for their spays and transports. I don't often foster dogs, as I don't have the space, but I am moving soon to a bigger house so hopefully that can change. I try to educate people as much as possible about pet shops, puppy mills, backyard breeders, etc. It feels like a wasted effort most times, but hopefully it does make a difference.

[mike001]

I will hopefully be breeding my first litter of White Shepherds this Spring. But I agree with others that breeding should not be taken lightly with had bad the pet over population is. I did fostering and rescue for 12 or so years before I decided to breed and I still rescue. All my pets, except for Sheena are all rescues, even the ferrets. I wish that all people wishing to breed would be required to work in a rescue for at least 5 years so they could see the population problem. Might change many minds and if not it might help them to at least do it right. And even once a breeder I personally think all breeders should still be required to rescue in some way. I have a dream that I hope to fullfill in a couple of years of starting the first White Shepherd rescue in all of Canada. These of course are just my personal opinions.
Nicole



Congratulations on your future breeding. I hope sheena doesn't have another false pregnancy. Do you plan on having Panda Shepherds again this time?
As for the first White Shepherd Rescue in Canada, the First White Shepherd Rescue Dog has already been founded by Mark Echterling. The organization started in the late 2001 in CedarLakes and is now nationwide including Canada. Unfortunately, Mark lost his life to lung cancer after a year and a half battle and passed away in Sept 2004.

http://www.echodogs.org
I just thought I would give you the site you can google since you always ask for proof.

[NicoleLJ]

Congratulations on your future breeding. I hope sheena doesn't have another false pregnancy. Do you plan on having Panda Shepherds again this time?
As for the first White Shepherd Rescue in Canada, the First White Shepherd Rescue Dog has already been founded by Mark Echterling. The organization started in the late 2001 in CedarLakes and is now nationwide including Canada. Unfortunately, Mark lost his life to lung cancer after a year and a half battle and passed away in Sept 2004.

http://www.echodogs.org
I just thought I would give you the site you can google since you always ask for proof.

Mike you and your crap and lies are just too funny. Yes Sheena had a false pregnancy in the fall. And no we have never and do not plan to ever breed Panda Shepherds. We always plan to breed whites and nothing else so trying to start that rumor and lie will not work.

And as for a White Shepehrd rescue in Canada there is none. Not one souly for Canada. Echo rescue is for teh States and sometimes helps Canadian White Shepherds. I LIVE in Canada so I plan to start the very first White Shepherd rescue in Canada for Canada.

Mike everyone has seen you for what you are. All they have to do is take a look at the Who Licenses Dog Trainers Thread:
http://www.petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=122951&page=9&pp=15

to see your many lies. You couldn't even keep your facts straight in that thread alone. Posting that you didn't know the pups you were getting because you were unsure about which litter and then a few posts later saying you got older dogs. You posted so many lies since you have been here and been caught doing so that I really wonder why you are still here and still trying your best to post lies about me. Your life must really be dull.
Nicole

[DrKym]

After breeding for many years. I like applesmom could not bring myself to add to the problem. So I do rescue and foster.

The dedication Jordan talks about is the tip of the iceberg, there are also untold hours of worry, late night vet visits, clients that move and need to take the dog back, and being financially able to do it.

Breeders that make a living off breeding, are not a real species. Good breeders will tell you it is the most expensive and rewarding hobby in the world, but it is not a money maker!


Just my 2 cents

[borzoimom]

Congratulations on your future breeding. I hope sheena doesn't have another false pregnancy. Do you plan on having Panda Shepherds again this time?
As for the first White Shepherd Rescue in Canada, the First White Shepherd Rescue Dog has already been founded by Mark Echterling. The organization started in the late 2001 in CedarLakes and is now nationwide including Canada. Unfortunately, Mark lost his life to lung cancer after a year and a half battle and passed away in Sept 2004.

http://www.echodogs.org
I just thought I would give you the site you can google since you always ask for proof.
Mike- patience or not- you have no proof Nicole would have panda shepherds. Your activity to her threads is getting HIGHLY suspecious. Please do not pm me anymore.

[DrKym]

Congratulations on your future breeding. I hope sheena doesn't have another false pregnancy. Do you plan on having Panda Shepherds again this time?
As for the first White Shepherd Rescue in Canada, the First White Shepherd Rescue Dog has already been founded by Mark Echterling. The organization started in the late 2001 in CedarLakes and is now nationwide including Canada. Unfortunately, Mark lost his life to lung cancer after a year and a half battle and passed away in Sept 2004.

http://www.echodogs.org
I just thought I would give you the site you can google since you always ask for proof.


Echo dogs was founded in Indiana, which I am certain you know is still a state not a Canadian province.

So they are NOT the first Canadian White shepherd rescue......................

Here we go again! :rolleyes:

[NicoleLJ]

Mike- patience or not- you have no proof Nicole would have panda shepherds. Your activity to her threads is getting HIGHLY suspecious. Please do not pm me anymore.

Thank you Borzoimom. There is no way I could have Pandas. As anyone with any knowledge of GSD genetics would know. Since I am only breeding Sheena to another White Shepherd(a very stunning male with great credentials) all they will have is White Shepherds. They can not produce any other color. If I was to breed Sheena to a Black GSD or a Black and tan GSD, that have no white in their lines, the only colors they would produce is colored GSDs. Not Panda's. If I bred Sheena to a Black GSD or a Black and tan GSD that had a white GSD in their lines then the result would be 50% colored puppies and the other 50% of the puppies would be white. Agian NO PANDA's. If anyone was to look at the pedigree of the first Panda Shepherd there is in fact NO White GSDs in the pedigree at all. All were colored GSD's. So the only way right now to produce Panda's is to in fact breed to a Panda Shepherd. And even then there is no garentee that any of the pups would be born with the Panda coloration. They could all just be carriers instead.

For people that have no clue about colored genetics about GSDs(as I didn't before I planned to get into breeding) there has been the misguided notion that breeding whites to colored shepherds was the cause for the Panda mutation. This rumour is of course false and can be proved easily by anyone checking out the pedigrees of the first Panda Shepherds. Whites have been a part fo the GSD since the very beginning and are not the cause of the Panda mutation and can not cause it by breeding a white to a colored. Genetics do not work that way. If people want links ot the Panda Shepherd info and pedigrees I would be very happy to supply them.
Nicole

[NicoleLJ]

Echo dogs was founded in Indiana, which I am certain you know is still a state not a Canadian province.

So they are NOT the first Canadian White shepherd rescue......................

Here we go again! :rolleyes:

LOL my point exactly. I said the first Canadian White Shepherd Rescue in both my posts. I have no idea how or why she would think that would include an American rescue.
Nicole

[borzoimom]

Yes Nicole- and I have had enough. I know what you went though with her breeding- and it was NOT A DOG that could produce a panda.

[NicoleLJ]

Yes Nicole- and I have had enough. I know what you went though with her breeding- and it was NOT A DOG that could produce a panda.

Exactly. We attempted to breed her to this stunning male:

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/NicoleLJ_2003/tmpphpfU9W1l.jpg

His name is HoofPrint Wyndryder of Furrari

Here are some pics of their 3 days together.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/NicoleLJ_2003/tmpphpJwMhz4.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/NicoleLJ_2003/tmpphpwBqaJs.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/NicoleLJ_2003/tmpphpUcwyTe.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/NicoleLJ_2003/tmpphpUbmZJP.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/NicoleLJ_2003/tmpphpZzbCdt.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/NicoleLJ_2003/tmpphpXBGMIW.jpg

Here is his page that I made if you would like to learn more about him:

http://giftofgracekennels.com/id51.html

Unfortunately this I am still learning and we sent Sheena too early. So she was not ready. Ryder and Sheena loved each other but since hubby could only afford to take 3 days off they could not attempt for a longer time. So Sheena ended up having a false pregnancy. But as you can see Ryder is indeed a White. And breeding white to white ONLY produces white. We will be trying later this spring with the same stud. Breeding is defiantely a learning experience.
Nicole

[borzoimom]

After breeding for many years. I like applesmom could not bring myself to add to the problem. So I do rescue and foster.

The dedication Jordan talks about is the tip of the iceberg, there are also untold hours of worry, late night vet visits, clients that move and need to take the dog back, and being financially able to do it.

Breeders that make a living off breeding, are not a real species. Good breeders will tell you it is the most expensive and rewarding hobby in the world, but it is not a money maker!


Just my 2 cents
Shoot- I loose serious amount of money.. lol.. If you add showing your dogs expenses, medical care, good food for the female and the pups, and shots, dewclaws, stud fee etc etc etc- I do not even want to know.. ;) Not to mention my months at the whelping box and working with the pups..

[DrKym]

Beautiful dogs!

[borzoimom]

Exactly. We attempted to breed her to this stunning male:

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/NicoleLJ_2003/tmpphpfU9W1l.jpg

His name is HoofPrint Wyndryder of Furrari

Here are some pics of their 3 days together.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/NicoleLJ_2003/tmpphpJwMhz4.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/NicoleLJ_2003/tmpphpwBqaJs.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/NicoleLJ_2003/tmpphpUcwyTe.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/NicoleLJ_2003/tmpphpUbmZJP.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/NicoleLJ_2003/tmpphpZzbCdt.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/NicoleLJ_2003/tmpphpXBGMIW.jpg

Here is his page that I made if you would like to learn more about him:

http://giftofgracekennels.com/id51.html

Unfortunately this I am still learning and we sent Sheena too early. So she was not ready. Ryder and Sheena loved each other but since hubby could only afford to take 3 days off they could not attempt for a longer time. So Sheena ended up having a false pregnancy. But as you can see Ryder is indeed a White. And breeding white to white ONLY produces white. We will be trying later this spring with the same stud. Breeding is defiantely a learning experience.
Nicole
Yes NIcole- I know. That is why I posted what I did..

[NicoleLJ]

Shoot- I loose serious amount of money.. lol.. If you add showing your dogs expenses, medical care, good food for the female and the pups, and shots, dewclaws, stud fee etc etc etc- I do not even want to know.. ;) Not to mention my months at the whelping box and working with the pups..

LOL that is not all. Don't forget stud fees, STD tests for dam and sire, flight costs, and if you are not as blessed as we were then hotels and boarding and so forth. The costs are amazingly high to breed right. If good breeders sat down and seriously did the math I doubt very much any of them would say they are in it for the money. lol
Nicole

[NicoleLJ]

Beautiful dogs!

Thank you. I think they compliment each other very well and I can't wait to see the result in the puppies.
Nicole

[NicoleLJ]

Yes NIcole- I know. That is why I posted what I did..

I know. lol But I could not help taking the opportunity to show this gorgeous stud off. lol
Nicole

[borzoimom]

I know. lol But I could not help taking the opportunity to show this gorgeous stud off. lol
Nicole
Are you going back to him? If you do having a flight- have her stay there 5 days after the breeding. The reason is stress will make the bitch absorb the litter... I always kept my bitch at the stud breed 5 days. Try that.

[NicoleLJ]

If we take that route then we will defiantely be keeping her there for a while. But we are really thinking of Doing AI and progestrone testing. That way we are sure to do it on the right day and no traveling for her which would mean less stress. But yes we are using the same stud.
Nicole

[borzoimom]

If we take that route then we will defiantely be keeping her there for a while. But we are really thinking of Doing AI and progestrone testing. That way we are sure to do it on the right day and no traveling for her which would mean less stress. But yes we are using the same stud.
Nicole
Day 8 and 11 are the "gold days".. Keep that in mind..

[NicoleLJ]

Day 8 and 11 are the "gold days".. Keep that in mind..

Actually not for Sheena it wasn't and that is why it didn't take. She was there on day 10 -day 13 and she never was receptive. She would flirt, play even stand for him, but as soon as he would get on she would dodge away and do a play bow. She was not receptive to a male till day 18-day 23. So with her it is later. And that is why even though they did AI there it did not take. She was not yet in standing heat. That is why this time we will be doing progesterone testing. That way no mistakes.
Nicole

[mike001]

Mike- patience or not- you have no proof Nicole would have panda shepherds. Your activity to her threads is getting HIGHLY suspecious. Please do not pm me anymore.

I can marry a coloured person and it doesn't guarantee that I will have a coloured child, come now. My neighbor is married to a loured person, they have two white children and one coloured. That's genetics.

As for the White Shepherd rescue you forgot to notice that I said it was founded in Cedar lakes which everyone knows is in the US. But we have two affiliate clubs here who are continuing mark's work because it meant so much to him. So yes, we do have two White Shepherd rescue clubs, unless his brother in law is lying to the press.

[borzoimom]

Actually not for Sheena it wasn't and that is why it didn't take. She was there on day 10 -day 13 and she never was receptive. She would flirt, play even stand for him, but as soon as he would get on she would dodge away and do a play bow. She was not receptive to a male till day 18-day 23. So with her it is later. And that is why even though they did AI there it did not take. She was not yet in standing heat. That is why this time we will be doing progesterone testing. That way no mistakes.
Nicole
Maybe she was past peak. Try day 3 and 8.

[NicoleLJ]

I can marry a coloured person and it doesn't guarantee that I will have a coloured child, come now. My neighbor is married to a loured person, they have two white children and one coloured. That's genetics.

As for the White Shepherd rescue you forgot to notice that I said it was founded in Cedar lakes which everyone knows is in the US. But we have two affiliate clubs here who are continuing mark's work because it meant so much to him. So yes, we do have two White Shepherd rescue clubs, unless his brother in law is lying to the press.

LOLOLOL this really shows you knowledge of genetics. Oh my I can't stop laughing. Human genetics and GSD color denetics are two TOTALLY different things. LOL this is too much. lol

As for the resuce supposedly being in Canada give me a link. The link you give is only to one in the States. I want proof. Since you have been proven to be such a HUGE liar already I have to have proof to what you say to believe it when all the clubs I am with say otherwise. Because the White Shepherd club of Canada, which I am a part of, would love to have that info. Since having a White Shepherd rescue in Canada is so important.
Nicole

[borzoimom]

I use to use a product called " Bitch pills" and start a month before due. http://www.thomasveterinarydrug.com/product_info.php/products_id/189 . Praise the Lord- never lost a puppy and had good size litters.

[NicoleLJ]

Maybe she was past peak. Try day 3 and 8.

Nope she was not in standing heat then either. The vet confirmed that when we visited before sending her. She is one of the type that has her standing heats later in her heat cycle. This can be common in some dogs.
Nicole

[NicoleLJ]

I use to use a product called " Bitch pills" and start a month before due. http://www.thomasveterinarydrug.com/product_info.php/products_id/189 . Praise the Lord- never lost a puppy and had good size litters.

I don't know if I can get those in Canada. Either way Sheena came form a large litter. Her litter size was 10 and that was her dams first litter. And Ryder has been known to produce large litters as well. Either way I am hoping for at least 5. If we have more then that that is great. But I am hoping for at least that.
Nicole

[DrKym]

I can marry a coloured person and it doesn't guarantee that I will have a coloured child, come now. My neighbor is married to a loured person, they have two white children and one coloured. That's genetics.

As for the White Shepherd rescue you forgot to notice that I said it was founded in Cedar lakes which everyone knows is in the US. But we have two affiliate clubs here who are continuing mark's work because it meant so much to him. So yes, we do have two White Shepherd rescue clubs, unless his brother in law is lying to the press.

Besides being apalled at your choice of genetics example, as I truly thought you couldn't be more ignorant or rude, You have again proved me wrong on that point!!!



Affiliation with a club is not the same as being Founded. It is an affiliation from a USA based org.

Please restrain yourself from more falsities and uncalled for attacks upon your limited intelligence.

[borzoimom]

I don't know if I can get those in Canada. Either way Sheena came form a large litter. Her litter size was 10 and that was her dams first litter. And Ryder has been known to produce large litters as well. Either way I am hoping for at least 5. If we have more then that that is great. But I am hoping for at least that.
Nicole
If you can not get it in canada- ship it to me, I will pm the address, we will re wrap it in a plain box, and ship it to you.

[NicoleLJ]

Besides being apalled at your choice of genetics example, as I truly thought you couldn't be more ignorant or rude, You have again proved me wrong on that point!!!



Affiliation with a club is not the same as being Founded. It is an affiliation from a USA based org.

Please restrain yourself from more falsities and uncalled for attacks upon your limited intelligence.


You got a good laugh at her genetics example too. lol At least we can say Mike is entertaining with her made up stories. You never know what she will come up with next. And half the time I don't think she does either. lol

As for teh supposed Echo rescues in Canada. I am still waiting on proof on that. Until she provides proof I will beleive my clubs.
Nicole

[NicoleLJ]

If you can not get it in canada- ship it to me, I will pm the address, we will re wrap it in a plain box, and ship it to you.

I am sorry, and thanks for the offer, but if it is not allowed in Canada then I will not bring it in illegally. I just don't work that way. Thanks for the offer though.
Nicole

[DrKym]

ONT: Marion Lopizzo - Echo Dogs White Shepherd Rescue - [email protected]


Canadian woman who is a affiliated with Echo dog, she does live in ontario and fosters USA dogs. :rolleyes:

[NicoleLJ]

ONT: Marion Lopizzo - Echo Dogs White Shepherd Rescue - [email protected]


Canadian woman who is a affiliated with Echo dog, she does live in ontario and fosters USA dogs. :rolleyes:

Yes I know Marion. She is Ryders Owner. lol But she does not have a Full rescue operation there. Like you said she helps with Echo. There is not a rescue here in Canada that will take care of Canadian Dogs. She will help with what she can but does not have a full rescue operation set up.

Marion is an awsome lady and we are great friends. She is one of my mentors and I am VERY lucky to know her.
Nicole

[Danegirl2208]

Originally Posted by mike001
I can marry a coloured person and it doesn't guarantee that I will have a coloured child, come now. My neighbor is married to a loured person, they have two white children and one coloured. That's genetics.

As for the White Shepherd rescue you forgot to notice that I said it was founded in Cedar lakes which everyone knows is in the US. But we have two affiliate clubs here who are continuing mark's work because it meant so much to him. So yes, we do have two White Shepherd rescue clubs, unless his brother in law is lying to the press.

Oh my.... :rolleyes: *keeping mouth shut*

[borzoimom]

I am sorry, and thanks for the offer, but if it is not allowed in Canada then I will not bring it in illegally. I just don't work that way. Thanks for the offer though.
Nicole
Oh no not that- I mean if the company doesnt ship to canada. There are other products like Solid Gold concept bitch and I know they will ship to canada.

[NicoleLJ]

Oh no not that- I mean if the company doesnt ship to canada. There are other products like Solid Gold concept bitch and I know they will ship to canada.

Actually no Concept a Bitch is no longer allowed in Canada. I found that out when I tried to get it last year for Sheena.
Nicole

[borzoimom]

Actually no Concept a Bitch is no longer allowed in Canada. I found that out when I tried to get it last year for Sheena.
Nicole
Well see if that link I posted sends to canada. They say they do but 4 days longer for shipping.

[mike001]

Besides being apalled at your choice of genetics example, as I truly thought you couldn't be more ignorant or rude, You have again proved me wrong on that point!!!



Affiliation with a club is not the same as being Founded. It is an affiliation from a USA based org.

Please restrain yourself from more falsities and uncalled for attacks upon your limited intelligence.


There was nothing rude or ignorant about my post. I was showining facts. Ryder is from a breeding that produces pandas and now tri colours, so making a comment about pandas was not ignorant either. Although no one seems to know if furrarri and hoofprint are one and the same. Just like getting an arabian from hoofprint, you are guaranteed one thing and find out you have something quite different in the breeding. No, not me personally, but my good friend from Belleville.

As for saying that Mark founded the first White Sheperd resue in Canada, no I didn't say that...I said we now have two White Shepherd Rescues in Canada. Yes they are affiliates of Mark's first rescue in the US. But they are in Canada nonetheless. They are buildings, with staff, and attached kennels
and a lot of volounteer homes, lots of donations, etc.

Didn't notice when you were appointed the post sheriff. Please try to stop misreading my posts and misquoting me like you did by saying I had stated I was diabled.

The only thing I said was that had I been that woman and been asked for ID I would have pulled mine out , does that mean I am disabled??? It simply meant I would not have made a fussHAD it been me.
I also said OUR service dogs wear red and black tags, which they do, does that mean I AM disabled? NO, it means OUR service dogs, MEANING the ones in our town wear red and black tags.
You are sounding more and more like Nicole, I have to wonder if you are her twin or just looking for trouble like she does on 50 other forums.

My friend was kind enough to send me links of all her posts from other places which I must say the rude vulgar venom coming from her was not surprising now that I'm getting to know her.

To spare the other posters from another tirade like they had to go through the other day, I will refrain from posting anymore on the subject .

[NicoleLJ]

Well see if that link I posted sends to canada. They say they do but 4 days longer for shipping.

I know so I contacted the dealers of Solid Gold here in Canada and all of them said the same thing. That Canada will not allow Concept a Bitch anymore. So they can not sell it.
Nicole

[NicoleLJ]

There was nothing rude or ignorant about my post. I was showining facts. Ryder is from a breeding that produces pandas and now tri colours, so making a comment about pandas was not ignorant either. Although no one seems to know if furrarri and hoofprint are one and the same. Just like getting an arabian from hoofprint, you are guaranteed one thing and find out you have something quite different in the breeding. No, not me personally, but my good friend from Belleville.

As for saying that Mark founded the first White Sheperd resue in Canada, no I didn't say that...I said we now have two White Shepherd Rescues in Canada. Yes they are affiliates of Mark's first rescue in the US. But they are in Canada nonetheless. They are buildings, with staff, and attached kennels
and a lot of volounteer homes, lots of donations, etc.

Didn't notice when you were appointed the post sheriff. Please try to stop misreading my posts and misquoting me like you did by saying I had stated I was diabled.

The only thing I said was that had I been that woman and been asked for ID I would have pulled mine out , does that mean I am disabled??? It simply meant I would not have made a fussHAD it been me.
I also said OUR service dogs wear red and black tags, which they do, does that mean I AM disabled? NO, it means OUR service dogs, MEANING the ones in our town wear red and black tags.
You are sounding more and more like Nicole, I have to wonder if you are her twin or just looking for trouble like she does on 50 other forums.

My friend was kind enough to send me links of all her posts from other places which I must say the rude vulgar venom coming from her was not surprising now that I'm getting to know her.

To spare the other posters from another tirade like they had to go through the other day, I will refrain from posting anymore on the subject .

OH MY GOD. Ryder has NO PANDA and NO tricoloreds in his pedigree and to say such is an out and out lie. You are such a LIar as you have proven over and over and over agian. And to say what you did about HOOFPRINT, which by the way ios respect over the entire world for producing the most working shepherds in the most avenues is just vulgar. And no furrari and Hoofprint are not and never were one in the same. They are both VERY respected breeders. You posts attacking peopel, organizations and breeders you do not know is astonding. But really goes to show th etype of person you are.

Your lies are there for all to see Mike. All people have to do is read the thread I gave the link to on the very first page and no none of it was take out of contaxt.

As for me. You as your friends like to do is follow me around and harass me. You and your frineds are nothing but stalkers and I can prove it. You on the other hand can prove NOThing about your lies about me.
Nicole

[borzoimom]

I know so I contacted the dealers of Solid Gold here in Canada and all of them said the same thing. That Canada will not allow Concept a Bitch anymore. So they can not sell it.
Nicole
NO www.thomasvetdrug.com says they do . I have the catalog. I put galina on it 3 days ago. she is uh strutting her stuff.. ROFL..

[DrKym]

To spare the other posters from another tirade like they had to go through the other day, I will refrain from posting anymore on the subject .


Probably a very good idea on your part.
Now can you spare us thread hijacking from you? :rolleyes:

[NicoleLJ]

http://www.awsaclub.com/gallery/hoofprintwyndryeroffurrari.htm

Here is Ryders pedigree. Since you are choosing to lie about him then prove to me he has a panda or a tri in the lines.
Nicole

[borzoimom]

Probably a very good idea on your part.
Now can you spare us thread hijacking from you? :rolleyes:
AND STAY away from Nicole. ..

[Danegirl2208]

Probably a very good idea on your part.
Now can you spare us thread hijacking from you? :rolleyes:

AND STAY away from Nicole. ..

i completely agree...your constant bashing is not welcome here

[NicoleLJ]

AND STAY away from Nicole. ..

If I was only so lucky. Her stalking of me for teh past year has gotten to be tiring and boring. I wish she would get her own life and stop trying to harrass me. I have more important things to do that deal with liars like her.
Nicole

[NicoleLJ]

i completely agree...your constant bashing is not welcome here

Thanks you. I am so glad I have this place. I am defiantely making a lot of friends here and learning a lot too.
Nicole

[borzoimom]

If I was only so lucky. Her stalking of me for teh past year has gotten to be tiring and boring. I wish she would get her own life and stop trying to harrass me. I have more important things to do that deal with liars like her.
Nicole
Karen- take a look please..

[mike001]

Refrain from judging lest you judge the wrong person.

I could very easily defend my stand here by showing proof from other posts that were mailed to me in the last 2 days, but it wouldn't be allowed. One thing it did do is open my eyes to the truth about certain people and who bashes who.....it was an eye opener for sure.

Like trying to destroy worthy people's reputation's.
Lying and falsifying about important people.
Vulgar, foulmouthed language and lies the which I have never encountered on the internet.
The list goes on and on and I finally know what it's all about.
Call it..."too close for comfort"

[DrKym]

Refrain from judging lest you judge the wrong person.

I could very easily defend my stand here by showing proof from other posts that were mailed to me in the last 2 days, but it wouldn't be allowed. One thing it did do is open my eyes to the truth about certain people and who bashes who.....it was an eye opener for sure.

Like trying to destroy worthy people's reputation's.
Lying and falsifying about important people.
Vulgar, foulmouthed language and lies the which I have never encountered on the internet.
The list goes on and on and I finally know what it's all about.
Call it..."too close for comfort"


Well then now that you are willing to admit it , then why dont you STOP IT?

Oh that would be too easy.

Again, Michelle, it is all up to proof, in this as in all the others, you have none, against an overwhelming amount of inflammatory and foolish statements on your part.

So much for your not replying with more foolishness. :rolleyes:

[borzoimom]

Well then now that you are willing to admit it , then why dont you STOP IT?

Oh that would be too easy.

Again, Michelle, it is all up to proof, in this as in all the others, you have none, against an overwhelming amount of inflammatory and foolish statements on your part.

So much for your not replying with more foolishness. :rolleyes:
me michelle??? pout pout.. :(

[DrKym]

me michelle??? pout pout.. :(


I was Referring to mike001 who is also a Michelle

[borzoimom]

I was Referring to mike001 who is also a Michelle
Opps- I forget how many michelles we have. I know you KNOW my record Kym.. sorry- watching the dog show and I got lost.. Sorry kym..

[NicoleLJ]

Refrain from judging lest you judge the wrong person.

I could very easily defend my stand here by showing proof from other posts that were mailed to me in the last 2 days, but it wouldn't be allowed. One thing it did do is open my eyes to the truth about certain people and who bashes who.....it was an eye opener for sure.

Like trying to destroy worthy people's reputation's.
Lying and falsifying about important people.
Vulgar, foulmouthed language and lies the which I have never encountered on the internet.
The list goes on and on and I finally know what it's all about.
Call it..."too close for comfort"

Yeah all of which is exactly what you are doing to me and others. You make me sick. I can show proof as to why this is all going on. I can show proof why you came after me in the first place. Adn why you refuse to stop. I can show proof of your lieing and pretending to be government agencies to scare me out of using my service dog. I can show proof of everything.

You all want to know why this is going on? Here is exactly why. In 2005 my husband wanted a black male GSD to take camping and hunting with him. So I checked out breeders. I contacted one that I loved the look of her dogs on. Still do. She informed me that she indeed had a litter of puppies and 2 of the males were black. One long coated(spoken for) and one short(not spoken for). So we converse and talked and she agreed to sell me the pup when it was old enough. I sent in the money and waited. We got all teh supplies. She constantly sent emails and pics and vet reports of our little guy. We signed the contract and had her written garentee that he was ours. We talked to teh amoutn of over a 100 emails. All of which I still have. About a week and a half before the pup was to come here she told me she was not happy with sending the pup to a home that had an intact female. She had know for over a month and when she accepted th emoney that we had an intacted female. We were buying him on a pet contracted. and she had all the money already. And we were not getting him for breeding. He was to be fixed. Just as Luca is now. She said she was going to up the price to her breeding agreement price and tehn she would be fine. So suddnely a pet qualtiy pup was a breeding quality pup? We refused. We were contracted for a pet quality abnd she already have everything and everything was signed. She said fine then. By this time the kids were estatic and he was already named (luca). Everything was bought and ready. So then about 5 days before he was to be shipped she informs me of the deal she has with the stud owner that the stud owner has first pick of the females but if she doesn't like the females she could end up with a male. She tells me this when I get back form my husbands uncles funeral. My husband was already distraught and this made things so much worse. this was first news to us. This is after all is signed and agreed on and paid for. We had no clue until then that this could happen. So for a full week it was yes you will get the pup, no you won't, yes you will. Till the day before he was scheduled to fly. They the stud owner shows up and takes our pup. So breeder has our money and we have nothing.

All through this I was explaining what was going on in the forums I was on. Remeber I rarely leave the house so my main contact and most of my friedns is online. When the pup was take my whole family was soo upset. So of course I am upset. She has devestated my family. This person has gorgeous dogs(at least to my eyes) but my problem was not with that. it was with her business dealings with me which is what I always posted about with the proof of emails. She did offer us a female black and tan but that was not what we had contracted for and not what my hubby had wanted. So of course we declined. She did send us our money back in the end. But that was not the point. I later found out that we could have sued her for brech of contract if we had not taken our money back. But since we did that ruined that.

She later found out that I posted the events to my friends. And yes I did. I wanted to know if it was normal practice for a breeder to do this to someone. And being Christmas time made it so much more worse since the pup was also to be a present. I have all of the emails form her proving this. Her friedns found out and went on a stalking and lieing campaing agianst me. All because of this one event. And this person, Mike is the last one. She has yet to stop the harassment. The others have. But she refuses to. So now you all know. And I can back it all up. And you all know now why this is going on.
Nicole

[DrKym]

As I said, proof is what matters when accusations fly.

You Nicole have provided proof each and every time.

Too bad others couldn't :rolleyes:

Hugs to you Nicole,

[borzoimom]

big Hugs!!!!

[NicoleLJ]

As I said, proof is what matters when accusations fly.

You Nicole have provided proof each and every time.

Too bad others couldn't :rolleyes:

Hugs to you Nicole,

Thanks. With all the lies she has spread about me around the internet, and her friends I have been very smart about keeping all the proof. All the emails form teh breeder, all the harassment emails and pms on every forums form them, all the emails pretending to be a government agency that does not exhist, my friends, and and trainer have forwarded me all emails or pms they get form these people also. Plus I now have a post card also from Mike that arrived yesterday where she is agian trying to scare me out of using my service dog. Never works though. I keep all proof. My mother was a paralegal and did not raise a stupid daughter.
Nicole

[NicoleLJ]

big Hugs!!!!

Thank you. Don't squeeze too hard or I might get sick. lol very sensitive stomach right now. lol
Nicole