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lizbud
07-10-2006, 04:32 PM
This administration scares the crap out of me.What's America going to
become, a Monarchy ?


Another secret US intelligence program?

House Intelligence Committee only briefed after whistleblower alerts chairman.
By Tom Regan | csmonitor.com

The Republican chairman of the House Intelligence Committee said the White House briefed his committee on another "significant" intelligence program only after it was brought to his attention by a government whistleblower.

The New York Times reports that Rep. Peter Hoekstra, (R) of Michigan then pressed President Bush to tell him about the program.

"We can't be briefed on every little thing that they are doing," Mr. Hoekstra said in an interview on "Fox News Sunday." "But in this case, there was at least one major – what I consider significant – activity that we had not been briefed on that we have now been briefed on. And I want to set the standard there, that it is not optional for this president or any president or people in the executive community not to keep the intelligence committees fully informed of what they are doing."

The White House declined to comment on the issue Sunday but said last week that it would continue to work closely with Mr. Hoekstra and the intelligence committees.

The briefing came after Mr. Hoekstra wrote a "strongly worded letter" to President Bush about not being briefed on the program. Hoekstra would not comment on the nature of the program, or whether it involved domestic or international surveillance.


Although he has been a critic of whistleblowers in the past, and has even called for tougher legislation when whistleblowers give classified information to the media, he said "This is actually a case where the whistle-blower process was working appropriately." The Washington Post reports that while Hoekstra appeared to be "mollified" by the briefing he received, he said the government is still falling short of its legal obligations "to brief key congressional members on significant intelligence operations."

Steven Spruiell reports in National Review's MediaBlog that the whistleblower who may have tipped off Hoekstra was Russell Tice, the ex-NSA employee who also says he was a source for The New York Times story earlier this year about domestic eavesdropping by the NSA. Mr. Tice said in May he planned to tell congressional staffers about undisclosed illegal programs being run at the NSA during the time when Gen. Michael Hayden (now the head of the CIA) was in charge.


Congress Daily reported on May 12, according to Mr. Spruiell, that the programs "involved the illegal use of space-based satellites and systems to spy on US citizens." It was a few days later that Hoekstra sent his letter to President Bush.

Conservative blogger Tom Maguire, in his blog JustOneMinute, says there was a fairly significant passage in Hoekstra's letter that largely ignored by the media – that the chairman believes that there is a "a strong and well-positioned group within the Agency intentionally undermined the administration and its policies." Hoekstra's letter indicates that he is concerned about the appointment of Steve Kappes as deputy director of the CIA, as Hoekstra says Mr. Kappes may have been a part of this group. He cites the enthusiastic response of Democrats to Kappes' return as further proof of this suspicion.

In a recent column, however, columnist Paul Krugman of The New York Times wrote that he believes that "the Bush administration and the movement it leads have been engaged in an authoritarian project, an effort to remove all the checks and balances that have heretofore constrained the executive branch." And Mr. Krugman wrote those who disagree with the government's use of secret intelligence programs are often portrayed as "traitors" by supporters of the administration for voicing dissent or exposing possibly illegal programs. But he said it doesn't have to be this way.

For I think that most Americans still believe in the principle that the president isn't a king, that he isn't entitled to operate without checks and balances. And President Bush is especially unworthy of our trust, because on every front – from his refusal to protect chemical plants to his officials' exposure of Valerie Plame, from his toleration of war profiteering to his decision to place the CIA in the hands of an incompetent crony – he has consistently played politics with national security.

Finally, in another issue involving a controversial administration program, Newsweek reports that the White House was strongly advised by State Department laywers in January 2002 that not giving Al Qaeda and Taliban prisoners even the basic protections of the Geneva Conventions was inviting an "enormous backlash" from both foreign allies and US courts.

"Even those terrorists captured in Afghanistan ... are entitled to the fundamental humane treatment standards of ... the Geneva Conventions," William Howard Taft IV, the State Department legal counselor ... wrote in a Jan. 23, 2002, memo obtained by Newsweek. In particular, Taft argued, the United States has always followed one provision of the Geneva Conventions – known as Common Article 3 – which "provides the minimal standards" of treatment that even "terrorists captured in Afghanistan" deserve.

Now that the Supreme Court has in effect backed the position of the State department lawyers in its recent Hamdan vs. Rumsfeld ruling, it could also call into question the legality of other administration programs, including the NSA's domestic surveillance program, the creation of secret prisons in other countries, and perhaps other programs such as the one mentioned above.

Newsweek reports that the administration is split into two camps over how to deal with the setback dealt by the court's decision. One group, headed by National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley and Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice "want to use the decision as the basis for a wide-ranging 'fix' that would accept a role for Congress and the courts on detainee issues." The other group, headed by hardliners such as Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, David Addington, "want to nullify the court ruling by rewriting portions of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and granting the president the powers the court rejected."

Laura's Babies
07-10-2006, 04:53 PM
I saw this on the news this morning.

lizbud
07-10-2006, 05:12 PM
I saw this on the news this morning.


I just saw/read this article today myself. Does this make anyone the
least bit afraid for this country ? This part was especially interesting.


"Congress Daily reported on May 12, according to Mr. Spruiell, that the programs "involved the illegal use of space-based satellites and systems to spy on US citizens." It was a few days later that Hoekstra sent his letter to President Bush.

Edwina's Secretary
07-12-2006, 12:22 PM
Sadly....it would be hard to shock me anymore with new information about the total lack of morals in this administration nor the depths to which they will go and the extent to which they will defy the U.S. Constitution.

And to think a few short years ago so many were up in arms over the sex life of our president.

How benign that seems now.

But I don't think monarchy is the direction they are headed. It is a far worse path.

Lizzie
07-12-2006, 12:42 PM
How ironic to see the U.S. heading in the direction of dictatorship! It will be interesting to read, in years to come, news reports of at least some of what is really going on now behind locked doors.

Edwina's Secretary
07-12-2006, 01:10 PM
At least it won't be a military dictatorship..... as none of these guys ever served in the military! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

RICHARD
07-12-2006, 02:17 PM
what a waste of time...

what is the 'secret program?' I should be scared about spying satellites?


I only read about mollified politicos and those ah's that think writing a Web log
about the gov't. makes their opinion valid.....

Go tell it to MySpace!

MORONS......


Oh, by the way,

the other morons who don't want the Gov't. to listen in on their electric travails sure are interested in having a government based "Terror Alert" system in place to let them know, by email, text message or cell phone if a terror attack happens....

Are people stupid? ;)

Vela
07-12-2006, 02:57 PM
Are people stupid? ;)

Yes! =)

Edwina's Secretary
07-12-2006, 06:33 PM
the other morons who don't want the Gov't. to listen in on their electric travails sure are interested in having a government based "Terror Alert" system in place to let them know, by email, text message or cell phone if a terror attack happens....



I guess I am a moron. I do not want the government listening in my life in any way shape or form. (RICHARD... I have no secrets....you are more than welcome to listen. ;) ) I like my government the way the constitution describes it....not the way some overreaching administration wants to interpret it.

But maybe I am only half a moron?...according to your definition of one anyway....as I am not interested in a red, yellow, orange or blue alert. Not on my cell phone, by email or text message.

Now I know it is hot out there RICHARD....but I am a little afraid your brain is getting overheated. Put a wet wash cloth in the freezer for a while, then put it over your forehead. Along with a nice cold beer and you should feel better in no time!

lizbud
07-12-2006, 06:53 PM
Now I know it is hot out there RICHARD....but I am a little afraid your brain is getting overheated. Put a wet wash cloth in the freezer for a while, then put it over your forehead. Along with a nice cold beer and you should feel better in no time!


and I thought Richard must have had a crappy day at work. :D

RICHARD
07-13-2006, 12:27 AM
I guess I am a moron.

I know.you don't post on MYSpace... :confused:

Liz I am on vacation! :eek:

lizbud
07-13-2006, 06:36 PM
And to think a few short years ago so many were up in arms over the sex life of our president.

How benign that seems now.

But I don't think monarchy is the direction they are headed. It is a far worse path.


I think so too. Maybe because it happens in a matter of years over time
and most people are frazzled enough making in through another day with
barely enough to cover their bills & educate their children.People seem to
not pay much attention to what they are losing in the long run.Too bad
really.

Puckstop31
07-20-2006, 10:07 AM
But I don't think monarchy is the direction they are headed. It is a far worse path.

How so? How do you see it getting "worse"?

smokey the elder
07-20-2006, 10:52 AM
Our Fearless Leader *did* once say that his job would be easier if this were a dictatorship. Tongue-in-cheek...or not? You be the judge.

lizbud
07-20-2006, 07:24 PM
Our Fearless Leader *did* once say that his job would be easier if this were a dictatorship. Tongue-in-cheek...or not? You be the judge.


The hallmark of this President is the Bush doctrine of L’Etat, c’est moi.
I was so glad that the Supreme Court saw it differently.

RICHARD
07-21-2006, 05:41 PM
Our Fearless Leader *did* once say that his job would be easier if this were a dictatorship. Tongue-in-cheek...or not? You be the judge.


LOL, I has on jury duty once and the judge was a gorgeous gal....Tongue in cheek?

You betcha!! ;)