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caseysmom
06-02-2006, 06:31 PM
Just a rant. Why do people create threads asking for help and for one reason or another do nothing?

There have been a few of these and frankly I would rather not have to worry about an animal in trouble when no advice is taken, no action taken, etc.

Miss Z
06-02-2006, 06:54 PM
Just a rant. Why do people create threads asking for help and for one reason or another do nothing?

There have been a few of these and frankly I would rather not have to worry about an animal in trouble when no advice is taken, no action taken, etc.

I know what you mean, but there are circumstances in certain situations which are often understandable.

Cataholic
06-03-2006, 08:48 PM
Miss Z, in RARE situations, I would agree. However, not most of the time. I think people just like the drama. Yes, even when it comes to animals. Some people just have to have drama in their lives, or play the victim "I can't do anything about it..." usually followed by tons of back tracking.

As I have said before, most of these people that Casey's mom is ranting about can/do whatever they like in 90 million other situations. But, all of a sudden, "oh, I can't do this/that/anything". Makes me furious, AND, doesn't bode well for that individual.

It is ALL about personal accountability/responsibility.

sasvermont
06-22-2006, 08:12 AM
I agree about the drama and pathetic "problems" some of the folks here have......but we all live in this world, together, and we all have our own little "basket of issues". I don't know about anyone else, but I will keep my "basket of issues" if you will keep yours (collectively)!.... So I am going to tolerate everyone's little problems, issues, whatevers and just not read the threads that bore me to tears!

We all love it here at Pet Talk. We come here for all different reasons. That's what makes it so interesting!

I am trying to be kind with this post....and not ugly. I apologize if I have offened anyone. Who knows, I could be one of the folks driving the others nuts!

;)

Randi
06-22-2006, 09:56 AM
Sasvermont, you express yourself so well, or perhaps it's just because I often agree with you. ;)

Well, I suppose most of us have posted threads which were a nuisance to others, but some do it quite often! They have this urge to create drama and exposing their lives to all of PT. Every petty little detail! Are you aware how many can read what you say? The whole wide world!

Yes, many of us feel like we're part of a family, and that's really nice, :) but still, I think some things should be kept private.

The worst is if someone asks for advice/help, and then 20 people give advice, but the person can't be bothered to do anything about the situation.

I am guilty of reading some of these threads myself, but after a while, you know which to open and which not.

Cataholic
06-22-2006, 11:27 AM
SAS and Randi,
Well, as usually the case, I agree with the two of you.

I am certainly not without my own basket of issues. Shoot, sometimes it seems like a wheelbarrow full! (Not really, LOL.)

I think what the OP was referring to was the "My world is falling in, I might die, I can't handle it"....and all of our thoughtful and helpful replies, and their "Nope", "Won't work cause...", or just plain avoidance of any sort of help.

Lots of people in this world are so full of this victim mentality, and refusal to take any sort of responsibility for the mess they are in.

If I ask for help, I take the advice. But, I am a doer, not much of a complainer, and subscribe to the theory of 'swim, or get out of the water'.

catland
06-22-2006, 01:26 PM
Its not all wasted - there have been a few times when I've had an issue in my non-cyber life where I wanted advice and opinions and I found very helpful and eloquent ones here on PT.

We'll always have a certain number of drama queens, but they are worth the annoyance for the genuinely sincere advice that some of you share when its really needed.

caseysmom
06-22-2006, 01:35 PM
The problem with starting a thread like this...which I did is that everyone starts thinking its something they did.

I was just particularly frustrated one day because there was an animal in need and someone would not even make a phone call, it was just distressing hearing about it if not one thing would be done. Sorry if I offended anyone or made any of you think it was about you.

sasvermont
06-22-2006, 01:45 PM
:rolleyes: Something like.....my dog/cat was just hit by a car (yesterday), what should I do? type question......? :rolleyes:

Miss Z
06-22-2006, 02:04 PM
I just want to say a piece, maybe it's wrong, maybe it's right, but here it is:

I know there have been quite a few of these posts, and I know some people find them annoying. But I will say it, I did post a thread asking for help, when Zsa-Zsa fell down the stairs. I was alone in the house and really needed some advice, so I posted a thread. I found it extremely beneficial to hear some comforting and kind words and good advice. Glad mine didn't turn out to get a little heated.

Referring to the thread which I think is in question, from my POV, I know that no matter how right something may be, no matter how much we want to do it, sometimes it is not possible. And I will say it. It's often parents. Of course, you cannot blame everything you do on parents, but in the particular thread, I understood perfectly, as I have done in other threads. Last December, I posted a thread asking for help about Foxy getting thin. I said in my post it was not possible for me to take her to the vet as my parents would not take her, and yet that was pretty much all the advice I got. Now that was probably the right thing to do, perhaps, even though it pains me to say it, it would have saved her life. But I could not physically walk to the vets with a hamster cage along dual carriageways and through farmland to take her to the vet, plus they would not have accepted me as the owner. Sometimes, things are just not possible. It is right to help poor people in underdeveloped countries, is it possible for us all to give up our jobs and dedicate ourselves to building communities and saving lives?

I think when people post these threads, they know what is the best thing to do, but have posted because that option is not immediately possible and are looking for other ideas. When the obvious is not immediately taken, questions are raised. And an arguement starts.

I also live by the fact 'swim or get out of the water', but sometimes you've got to be more confident in people to get them to swim.

Just IMO, not to start anything, just there's always two sides to a debate.

sandragonfly
06-22-2006, 02:39 PM
caseysmom, I know this wasn't made because of my threads but seems that have bothered some of you. oh well, everyone sees it and not everyone can stand/handle seeing blood.

but anyway, while nothing is personal to me anymore, I don't know if I should apologize for my "dramatic" threads - those are way different than from threads whose did not asked for help and then being bombarded with advices, especially advices they weren't hoperfully looking for. not most people think that before they read numerous of advices/ideas in a thread and that drives me ticky also.

a little off topic probably, but thought some of you had to realize that too for others.

Cataholic
06-22-2006, 02:54 PM
Miss Z- if I might debate with you....I do understand the concept of parents, having them myself. And, I do understand the limitations of youth, having been there before. What I struggle with is being 14, 15 or even older, and the claim, "They won't let me" or "I am only 14". Why? Because I remember all too well being that age, and knowing dern well I could get alot of what I wanted with whining, pleading, arguing, or flat out just doing it without permission. So, now, when it comes to something serious, like an animal in distress (and, I think CM was referring to this particular post), and I hear this "They won't let me...", I think, "oh, okay! All of a sudden you have become this subserviant, obedient, never do anything without asking child".

I would wager that many of these children using this argument, "They won't let me", routinely-daily-weekly- go against their parents wishes, or don't even ASK their parents- when it fancys them. I find the excuse a total cop-out. And, IMO, it is completly opposite to the claim of "I love animals".

And, of course, I question ANY adult that "refuses" their child's request to assist an animal in need. That adult should be the one leading the assistance.

Miss Z
06-22-2006, 03:08 PM
And, of course, I question ANY adult that "refuses" their child's request to assist an animal in need. That adult should be the one leading the assistance.

Of course, I agree 100%. It's just not always the case.

I pleaded, whined, begged, argued, shouted and fell out with my parents about taking Foxy to the vet. It didn't work. For some reason, I find it difficult to convince parents on animal-related topics. Usually they don't want to get involved. When people post threads like that, I do sympathise.

The world would be so much more simple if we were ALL animal crazy!

Cataholic
06-22-2006, 03:13 PM
Of course, I agree 100%. It's just not always the case.

I pleaded, whined, begged, argued, shouted and fell out with my parents about taking Foxy to the vet. It didn't work. For some reason, I find it difficult to convince parents on animal-related topics. Usually they don't want to get involved. When people post threads like that, I do sympathise.

The world would be so much more simple if we were ALL animal crazy!


I can now understand your position. Thanks.

dab_20
06-24-2006, 04:45 PM
Of course, I agree 100%. It's just not always the case.

I pleaded, whined, begged, argued, shouted and fell out with my parents about taking Foxy to the vet. It didn't work. For some reason, I find it difficult to convince parents on animal-related topics. Usually they don't want to get involved. When people post threads like that, I do sympathise.

Miss Z... I have to agree with you. I have many times been in the situation where my parents won't help me. I too sympathise when people are in the same situation.



The world would be so much more simple if we were ALL animal crazy!
AMEN!

But I have to agree that there is no point if someone asks for help and does nothing about it, when they can.

moosmom
06-28-2006, 08:29 PM
Zara,

I truly admire your maturity. You are wise beyond your years. I also get very frustrated by certain people who beg for advice then don't take it. There have been situations where I have gone out of my way to offer assistance in placing a cat that needs rehoming, or, trying to get them help in their area with the many contacts I have.I've gotten my hopes up about taking in a new kitty, only to have my hopes dashed by lies and insincerity. It is people like that I will never trust again, and will not respond to any of their future posts.

Summing up what Cataholic posted, I can too say, "Been there, done that." Growing up, my father always told me that while I may not understand why he does the things he does NOW, I'd understand when I had kids of my own. I'll be damned, he was right! Would I want to be a kid in this day and age? Heck no. It was hard enough for me to get through MY childhood in the 50's and 60's.

I only wish that some of the other "younger PTers" had the maturity and wisdom that you have, Zara. I want you to know that it's a real pleasure having you around here.

Miss Z
06-29-2006, 01:07 PM
and 60's.

I only wish that some of the other "younger PTers" had the maturity and wisdom that you have, Zara. I want you to know that it's a real pleasure having you around here.

:o :o :o

Aw Donna, thank you so much, that really made my heart glow today. And I want YOU to know it's fantastic having you here too!:D

((( BIG HUG! )))

Felicia's Mom
06-30-2006, 02:39 PM
I hope you are not refering to me as one "who asks for help then does nothing." When I wrote about giving up my cats, I was stating a fact, not asking for help. It really suprised me that so many people were interested in it.

I did take some advice too; Felicia was going to be pts, instead she has been rehomed.

Catty1
06-30-2006, 02:57 PM
Felicia - I know who she means, and it WASN'T you! Farthest thing from it!

hugs
Catty1

moosmom
07-02-2006, 11:15 PM
Felicia,

Catty1 is right, it was NOT you, believe me!!

Zippy
07-04-2006, 10:13 AM
I am one of the people who has done this.But Emmy did go to Kari who has written me and told me she is doing well.Pumpkin did stay with us.There was bad words said and i am sorry for that.
The airplane thing was just to much money.We pay 1,300 something for rent not counting water when we use to pay 800 something and that counted water,plus put a 300 down for Zippy at the start,and also we still pay for all of Bandit's needs(our old dog that know lives with my grandparents)


plus we know Pumpkin would have hurt her cats

Rachel
07-04-2006, 11:11 AM
but anyway, while nothing is personal to me anymore, I don't know if I should apologize for my "dramatic" threads - those are way different than from threads whose did not asked for help and then being bombarded with advices, especially advices they weren't hoperfully looking for. not most people think that before they read numerous of advices/ideas in a thread and that drives me ticky also.

a little off topic probably, but thought some of you had to realize that too for others.

Well, this is probably the other side of the same coin. Yet, I'm curious as to why someone would even post, if they didn't want advice, input, or comments. If I make a suggestion, it is not because I feel I know the answer, but simply care enough to take the time to share what has been the benefit of my experience in what seems like a similar situation. If ten different suggestions are given and one is helpful, then the whole of the respondents' efforts are worthwhile.

Sometimes even if advice doesn't seem to be acted on, it can give the recipient the benefit of another perspective, which may never have been considered. That can be stored away and given other experiences may be part of what is utilized in thinking something out on another occasion.

I try to give thought to my posts and how I state them, and my last intention is to ever hurt anyone's feelings but I simply do not have time to waste. There was a column in today's paper that had a statement which I feel is quite applicable: *People who are telling themselves what they want to hear are uniquely unreceptive to hearing anything else.*

If people posting here do not want input or advice, maybe they should clearly state that in their thread.

Roxyluvsme13
07-05-2006, 09:57 PM
I'm probably one of these people, and I guess it's because I'm a truly stubborn person, and I really don't think before I act.

buttercup132
07-06-2006, 10:56 AM
I'm probably one of these people, and I guess it's because I'm a truly stubborn person, and I really don't think before I act.:rolleyes: She said NOT to say it was you...she wasnt saying who it was I dont get why you have to think that when someone says something negative its always about you...

Roxyluvsme13
07-06-2006, 12:48 PM
:rolleyes: She said NOT to say it was you...she wasnt saying who it was I dont get why you have to think that when someone says something negative its always about you...
I don't always do that, and I was never assuming this was about me. :rolleyes:

moosmom
07-06-2006, 10:58 PM
Buttercup,

I sensed an attitude there. Lighten up, will ya?? What's done is done. No, Roxylovesme, it's not you. It WAS Zippy, if you followed the whole Pumpkin fiasco.